2024 NBA Draft Second Round open thread, June 27th

[Knightro]

We literally traded this year's 2nd for 0 money and 0 picks. That is... something. I am kinda out on Weltman, I guess?

They got 2 future seconds.

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No, they got the right to swap 2 future seconds.

[three3d]

I'm not even going to argue over the 2nd round pick thing with Weltman. In principle, and in broad terms, I do agree with the criticism. I've even gone on my own lengthy rants about it in the past. But the hate has spiraled out of control and lost any semblance of nuance. Yet, I do still understand the overarching criticism of it, even if I think it's gone off the rails. Ultimately, I don't think it's significant enough to get worked up over in either direction.

But it feels like it’s setting the tone for what’s about to come next. Like seriously I’m sick of not being a title contender, I’m sick of hearing about Heat culture, I can’t believe a basketball team from Canada won a NBA Championship before us. It’s tiring and getting old.

[basketballRob]

We literally traded this year's 2nd for 0 money and 0 picks. That is... something. I am kinda out on Weltman, I guess?

They got 2 future seconds.

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No, they got the right to swap 2 future seconds.

Oh. Well then, I think we have 12 second round picks.

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[drsd]

If I understand this, Denver's SRP was traded to Orlando, and Orlando traded this to Phoenix. Then the pick got voided. So: this pick (which would have been the second last pick in the draft) is even "better" than cash considerations. It literally became nothing.

This is the first of three SRPs the Magic traded to Phoenix for the rights to a FRP pick swap in 2026.

[eyriq]

I'm not even going to argue over the 2nd round pick thing with Weltman. In principle, and in broad terms, I do agree with the criticism. I've even gone on my own lengthy rants about it in the past. But the hate has spiraled out of control and lost any semblance of nuance. Yet, I do still understand the overarching criticism of it, even if I think it's gone off the rails. Ultimately, I don't think it's significant enough to get worked up over in either direction.

But it feels like it’s setting the tone for what’s about to come next. Like seriously I’m sick of not being a title contender, I’m sick of hearing about Heat culture, I can’t believe a basketball team from Canada won a NBA Championship before us. It’s tiring and getting old.

You are setting yourself up for disappointment if you expect this team to be a title contender right now or to operate like a title contender right now. That's just not the phase we're in.

[OrlChamps2030]

The only thing I can say about Weltman’s truly pathetic second round strategy is that some of y’all actually with a straight face tried to tell me that the G-League is a viable development strategy.

And yet here we are and Weltman has once again decided to ignore the second round even though teams now have THREE two-way slots which are literally perfect for developmental reps in the G-League.

C’mon now.

Yeah that’s what I don’t understand - the same guys defending parking a lottery pick in the G league for a season, who claim the G league is the next MLB Minor League farm system where players can learn the system and get familiar with the coaching staff..

Are the same guys defending punting on the second round?

You could just put your second rounders in the G league!

[eyriq]

The only thing I can say about Weltman’s truly pathetic second round strategy is that some of y’all actually with a straight face tried to tell me that the G-League is a viable development strategy.

And yet here we are and Weltman has once again decided to ignore the second round even though teams now have THREE two-way slots which are literally perfect for developmental reps in the G-League.

C’mon now.

Yeah that’s what I don’t understand - the same guys defending parking a lottery pick in the G league for a season, who claim the G league is the next MLB Minor League farm system where players can learn the system and get familiar with the coaching staff..

Are the same guys defending punting on the second round?

You could just put your second rounders in the G league!

Maybe these players weren't good enough to make our beloved Osceola Magic.

[three3d]

I'm not even going to argue over the 2nd round pick thing with Weltman. In principle, and in broad terms, I do agree with the criticism. I've even gone on my own lengthy rants about it in the past. But the hate has spiraled out of control and lost any semblance of nuance. Yet, I do still understand the overarching criticism of it, even if I think it's gone off the rails. Ultimately, I don't think it's significant enough to get worked up over in either direction.

But it feels like it’s setting the tone for what’s about to come next. Like seriously I’m sick of not being a title contender, I’m sick of hearing about Heat culture, I can’t believe a basketball team from Canada won a NBA Championship before us. It’s tiring and getting old.

You are setting yourself up for disappointment if you expect this team to be a title contender right now or to operate like a title contender right now. That's just not the phase we're in.

Eyriq it’s that I’ve been watching and rooting for the Magic all the way back to the Penny and Shaq days of the 90’s. I’ve been going to games ever sense I was a kid, I’ve been riding this bus for a long time and I just want it to finally be our turn.

[FFBlitzace]

Eyriq it’s that I’ve been watching and rooting for the Magic all the way back to the Penny and Shaq days of the 90’s. I’ve been going to games ever sense I was a kid, I’ve been riding this bus for a long time and I just want it to finally be our turn.

We all do man. Meanwhile, the Celtics win #18 and the Lakers once again get exactly what they want. It is disgusting and it would be nice if we could get a turn at the top of the basketball world.

[Husky1]

Weltman has shown he isn't capable of finding second round gems or signing quality vet free agents, he would rather use no upside guys on our 2 way contracts, hence why he just keeps kicking can down the road. He has you all fooled.

[SOUL]

But Weltman would rather fill those with 27 year olds that are already maxed out, but still can’t actually play.

I think there's a huge disparity of opinions in who should actually play and where we will be allocating minutes moving forward.

It's as if people are still in year one or two of the rebuild and think we have 6 roster slots open for young guys to just **** up a lot.

Whether it's Trevelin Queen and Mac McClung and Kevon Harris taking those slots (who, btw, are probably just outright better) or some random dude from Middle Tennessee that people haven't watched any games of, then it is what it is.

I don't buy people are actually mad about the 47th pick being moved. It's one thing if it was 31 or 32 like in previous drafts, and there's Furphy or Mogbo or someone there we could probably use.

[SOUL]

This year's pick being moved being annoying as a symbolic "f you" to 2nds we've punted in the past and being mad about that? Totally get it.

Actually thinking this 2nd rounder is doing anything on this team that an undrafted guy can do, or someone already on our G-League team, or an actual free agent who is an NBA vet? Nah, I am not taking the complaint seriously.

[Ducklett]

This year's pick being moved being annoying as a symbolic "f you" to 2nds we've punted in the past and being mad about that? Totally get it.

Actually thinking this 2nd rounder is doing anything on this team that an undrafted guy can do, or someone already on our G-League team, or an actual free agent who is an NBA vet? Nah, I am not taking the complaint seriously.

There is a 0.0001% chance that player turns out to be something you can't get out of the G-League/Undrafted group, it is just the shameful way we approach them as an asset class. Trading the pick this year for literally nothing is a joke. At least get some cash. Damn!

[eyriq]

But it feels like it’s setting the tone for what’s about to come next. Like seriously I’m sick of not being a title contender, I’m sick of hearing about Heat culture, I can’t believe a basketball team from Canada won a NBA Championship before us. It’s tiring and getting old.

You are setting yourself up for disappointment if you expect this team to be a title contender right now or to operate like a title contender right now. That's just not the phase we're in.

Eyriq it’s that I’ve been watching and rooting for the Magic all the way back to the Penny and Shaq days of the 90’s. I’ve been going to games ever sense I was a kid, I’ve been riding this bus for a long time and I just want it to finally be our turn.

I get it.

We need a top ten, top twenty, and top fifty talents. Then we need a solid crop of roleplayers to win a title.

The main thing to prioritize is Paolo's development.
Then Franz's development.
Then Suggs' development.
Then AB's development.
Then Jett's development.

And prioritize these things over, like, the next 2 to 3 seasons.

That's the organic approach right? You draft, you develop, and eventually you retool.

A team winning 47 games with their three best players 22 and younger is historical. It's up there with the five best young cores of all time.

When our core 3 scored 20 or more points in the same game in the playoffs, it was historical.

What this young core is doing is historical. And we still have two other irons in the forge. Weltman is pulling off 3-year rebuild where we've gotten five lottery picks. He's clearly hit on the first three. AB looks like a home run (to me). There are enough draft experts that like Jett for me to give him a pass, and honestly I have no idea how to evaluate his G League performance.

And honestly, let's say Suggs is injury prone, Franz is a front-runner, AB is a glue guy, and Jett is a role player. As long as we hit on Paolo, we're in a good situation. If he's an all NBA first team player or at worst second team player we can make something out of that.

Out of the Philadelphia 76ers process of tanking, they only hit on Embiid and they're still constantly in title contention.

I'll give you this. If player development hits a bump in the road, if chemistry turns sour, Mosley will get fired first. Weltman will probably do a retool, and then he'll get fired. Then someone will come in just like what happened with Boston and get aggressive and put the finishing touches around a good roster. The Paolo era is going to determine if we win a championship or not. Stressing out about the second round is just a waste of time. Stressing out about getting a star that doesn't fit the timeline is just a waste of time. Anything that doesn't obviously help or hurt Paolo's development isn't worth stressing about.

[SOUL]

I'll give you this. If player development hits a bump in the road, if chemistry turns sour, Mosley will get fired first. Weltman will probably do a retool, and then he'll get fired. Then someone will come in just like what happened with Boston and get aggressive and put the finishing touches around a good roster. The Paolo era is going to determine if we win a championship or not. Stressing out about the second round is just a waste of time. Stressing out about getting a star that doesn't fit the timeline is just a waste of time. Anything that doesn't obviously help or hurt Paolo's development isn't worth stressing about.

Why care about Paolo when we can theorize when he's moving to Seattle, how Franz shouldn't get paid because of a bad game 7, or make "Trade Suggs" threads because we'll have to pay him actual money to play basketball?

This team WILL live and die by 2nd rounders, damn it!

[Knightro]

But Weltman would rather fill those with 27 year olds that are already maxed out, but still can’t actually play.

I think there's a huge disparity of opinions in who should actually play and where we will be allocating minutes moving forward.

It's as if people are still in year one or two of the rebuild and think we have 6 roster slots open for young guys to just **** up a lot.

Whether it's Trevelin Queen and Mac McClung and Kevon Harris taking those slots (who, btw, are probably just outright better) or some random dude from Middle Tennessee that people haven't watched any games of, then it is what it is.

I don't buy people are actually mad about the 47th pick being moved. It's one thing if it was 31 or 32 like in previous drafts, and there's Furphy or Mogbo or someone there we could probably use.

On general principle, I would much rather have the 47th pick in a weak draft on a two-way deal than a 27-year-old 6’5” PF who obviously cannot and could never actually play in the NBA.

At least the possibility exists that you could get something out of the rookie down the road, even if the percentage chance is slight.

[SOUL]

At least the possibility exists that you could get something out of the rookie down the road, even if the percentage chance is slight.

Sure. But on the flip side, Miami regularly bringing in undrafted guys to not only make their team, but play big role minutes shows that there are about 40-50 guys that are complete crapshoots from about 35 on in most drafts. We may sign some undrafted guys for two-way slots.

I don't think second rounders are useless, but I do think debating the 47th pick on a two-way slots versus an undrafted guy versus guys already on our G-League roster to maybe get 14th man minutes is veering into the whole "Jett Howard not getting first year minutes is a disaster" sort of offseason doldrums debate topics.

As you've said, none of this matters without Paolo/Franz and to a lesser degree, Suggs, maximizing their potential. We'll live and die with their talent (plus whoever we end up signing or trading for as our big "prize" of the future).

[VFX]

People are still missing the point.

Nobody (including this FO) has any idea whether they are drafting Draymond Green, Derrick White, Jokic, Duncan Robinson, or Nembhard. The point is that they will NEVER know if they continually treat the 2nd round like it doesn’t matter at all.

It’s such a cope to say “these guys are young they’ll never play” and then watch 82 games of Schofield, Kevon Harris, and Trev Queen get 5 mins for the whole season. Yeah, we get it - it’s unlikely - but at least attempt to give a **** like you are trying to find asset value somewhere.

Denver, Miami, and Boston aren’t sending second round picks away like they are worthless. Why? Because they actually find assets to develop and either play or trade down the road. Orlando will NEVER find Gabe Vincent or Max Strus level guys with this strategy.

Then I read about paying a guy like Klay Thompson because Orlando should be so lucky to land a washed up player nobody wants anymore. Literally the opposite of how this organization should be approaching asset value. Some of you are masochists while you run cover for these decisions I swear.

[The Effect]

I think we have 14 second round picks in the next 7 drafts.

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cool, i wonder how much that will be worth to the devos family as cash considerations

[Audi]

Dunno why this assumption that we actually plan on holding these future seconds - they could be used to sweeten a trade. Two seconds with swap rights are better than two seconds without.