Free Agent, Trade & Extensions Thread, 2024-25

[phincsfan]

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The dynasty is over before it even began?

It's obvious they know Joker can't bring them 19 banners. They'll settle for one and great snow seasons.

[Fierce1]

One more thing on my above post. I wouldn't go double big with AL and Queta.

Al-Queta

[phincsfan]

One more thing on my above post. I wouldn't go double big with AL and Queta.

Al-Queta

You wrote it, not me....

[Dogen]

The Celtics with the Steal of the Afterdraft!

Exhibit-10 signing of 6'8" 23yo Tristan Enaruna. Another plus wingspan guy that can sky.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/06/celtics-to-sign-tristan-enaruna-to-exhibit-10-contract.html

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I like that they are doing their homework and getting these players in for workouts. Not just settling for a bpa available who they didn't actually bring in.

Reminds me of Oshae

Nice comparison! I hope he brings Oshae's hustle and intangibles but with better touch on offense. The athleticism certainly seems to be there.

[Dogen]

IMO, there is only a need to sign a FA big if we don't bring back the bigs from last year. Tillman and Kornet are FA..Queta has a team option. If we bring all 3 of them back, all this talk about FA big signings is a moot point. Because we'd have 5 bigs, plus Watson who is more of a 4 but can play small ball 5..

If things fall through with Queta, Tillman or Kornet, sure let's explore possibilities with guys like Theis, Plumlee, etc.

But my preference would be to bring back all of those bigs - Queta, Tillman and Kornet.

Kind of think Queta may ask the team to decline his option so he can sign elsewhere - with a team that may offer more in terms of contract length, money and playing time. After all, he is clearly the last guy in the pecking order among our 5 bigs..once we got Tillman last year he was glued to the bench..so he might not want to stick around if Tillman and Kornet are both resigned..

Agree. We got guys in the system that can cover for Kristaps for a few months. If he's out for longer, that's a bigger problem that none of the available FA's will do much to address. The team was fine without Porzingis for periods last season and continuity will be important this upcoming season. We'll see what we have in those guys (and Watson) and can make a deadline trade if needed.

One guy I'd make an exception for is Plumlee, but that's a longshot.

[Smart2Nesmith43]

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The dynasty is over before it even began?

So many unforced errors in recent years like giving Reggie Jackson a player option last offseason and now having to pay three second round picks to get rid of his guaranteed money for next season. The Zeke Nnaji extension hasn't aged well at all. Using three second round picks to move up from #28 to #22 is rough too. Nobody will care about those picks if Holmes turns into a NBA player but it's horrendous asset management. Plus I'm not sure blowing your last bit of draft capital on a guy that probably can't share the floor with your franchise player is the smartest play. Not replacing Jeff Green and Bruce Brown. The list goes on.

[threrf23]

The Celtics with the Steal of the Afterdraft!

Exhibit-10 signing of 6'8" 23yo Tristan Enaruna. Another plus wingspan guy that can sky.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/06/celtics-to-sign-tristan-enaruna-to-exhibit-10-contract.html

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Going by his freshman year stats from Kansas, seems like a viable 3&D prospect.

Going by the rest of his stats - he still looks like a viable 3&D prospect, he just never developed a reliable three point shot. Up until his senior year, his A/TO ratio had also been poor for a lower usage 3&D type, but was much better last season.

nbadraftroom.com lists his position as "PG SG SF PF C"

[ConstableGeneva]

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[shackles10]

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The dynasty is over before it even began?

So many unforced errors in recent years like giving Reggie Jackson a player option last offseason and now having to pay three second round picks to get rid of his guaranteed money for next season. The Zeke Nnaji extension hasn't aged well at all. Using three second round picks to move up from #28 to #22 is rough too. Nobody will care about those picks if Holmes turns into a NBA player but it's horrendous asset management. Plus I'm not sure blowing your last bit of draft capital on a guy that probably can't share the floor with your franchise player is the smartest play. Not replacing Jeff Green and Bruce Brown. The list goes on.

A lot of things setup for success by the previous management and not handled well for continued success by the new GM. Yet the payroll keeps growing lol.

[Jellybeans]

LOL IQ 5/175

[GoCeltics123]

LOL IQ 5/175

It's so much but part of me is worried that Derrick White's calculus this summer will be to pass on the 4/126 extension because of this.

Like if he bets on himself, he could make more money feasibly. But the Celtics won the title, he loves playing here, so it would be tough to walk away from that. And there's always injury risk in passing on a contract, which is why you see Brunson considering taking less in NY this summer.

Marc Stein and all the insiders like Hollinger, Jake Fischer, even Himmelsbach to an extent, all seem to think Derrick extending is likely. But I cringed a bit seeing that IQ price tag

[phincsfan]

LOL IQ 5/175

That's not a bad deal for a team who needs some building blocks.

[shackles10]

LOL IQ 5/175

It's so much but part of me is worried that Derrick White's calculus this summer will be to pass on the 4/126 extension because of this.

Like if he bets on himself, he could make more money feasibly. But the Celtics won the title, he loves playing here, so it would be tough to walk away from that. And there's always injury risk in passing on a contract, which is why you see Brunson considering taking less in NY this summer.

Marc Stein and all the insiders like Hollinger, Jake Fischer, even Himmelsbach to an extent, all seem to think Derrick extending is likely. But I cringed a bit seeing that IQ price tag

I'd take White over IQ and 4/126 isn't much different yearly from 5/175 so I'd be ok with paying the 5th year to lock him in longer if we're looking at those numbers anyways.

[Fierce1]

I really hope Brad was serious when he said they want Sam long term.

I think Sam can be a future starter for the Cs.

Time comes when Jrue gets old.

Cs are a 2nd apron team, so it would be hard to get a starting caliber player for a while.

[hugepatsfan]

As it relates to Derrick White, OG's contract scares me most. He got $42.5M/year over 5. White is eligible for $32M/year over 4. OG's 5 year deal will end after his age 31 season, White's extension would start with his age 31 season. So not worried as much about us not being able to offer the 5th year. But I think it's fair to say we're asking him to take a $10.5M/year pay cut for $42M total based on OG as a comparable. It's not nothing. He's freeing himself from injury risk though so it does make sense we'd get some sort of discount.

All indications are something gets done so we'll see. It's probably not in White's best financial interests to do so though, so I'll be somewhat nervous about it until it gets done.

[hugepatsfan]

I really hope Brad was serious when he said they want Sam long term.

I think Sam can be a future starter for the Cs.

Time comes when Jrue gets old.

Cs are a 2nd apron team, so it would be hard to get a starting caliber player for a while.

Potentially. Wouldn't surprise me if Holiday is traded before the end of his deal, presumably as the salary piece needed to get Porzingis' eventual replacement as the starting center. You could go White/Brown/Hauser/Tatum/new center.

I will say, reading scouting reports, it feels like Scheierman has the more well-rounded offensive game, so if we're talking starter role down the line, it could end up White/Scheierman/Brown/Tatum/new center starting with Hauser still off the bench. But we'll see what the rookie does.

Either way, I'm all on board with keeping good players. That's my overarching philosophy to team building - add good players to your roster and keep the ones you have. Everything sorts itself out if you do that. If you need to save money in a few years, teams will give you assets to take guys off your hands if they're good. If you need to find depth at one spot, you can do that by trading a player at another if you have sufficient backfills there. Having too many good players signed will never be a problem. It's only an issue if they're bad.

[keevsnick1]

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The dynasty is over before it even began?

I'm going to choose not to revel too much in a potential adversary's downfall, because the Celtics are going to be in this situation in fairly near future. They'll be fine next year, but in 25-26 they enter the repeater tax and there are going to be some hard decisions that they have to make. The Tatum/Brown/Holiday/White/KP core probably has two years at most left before it becomes too expensive.

[lon3lytoaster]

Losing Bruce Brown and KCP in back to back years would sting a little I would imagine...

[keevsnick1]

LOL IQ 5/175

It's so much but part of me is worried that Derrick White's calculus this summer will be to pass on the 4/126 extension because of this.

Like if he bets on himself, he could make more money feasibly. But the Celtics won the title, he loves playing here, so it would be tough to walk away from that. And there's always injury risk in passing on a contract, which is why you see Brunson considering taking less in NY this summer.

Marc Stein and all the insiders like Hollinger, Jake Fischer, even Himmelsbach to an extent, all seem to think Derrick extending is likely. But I cringed a bit seeing that IQ price tag

I'd take White over IQ and 4/126 isn't much different yearly from 5/175 so I'd be ok with paying the 5th year to lock him in longer if we're looking at those numbers anyways.

Its 32 a year vs 35 a year. Its similar money, the big difference is the extra year. Whites contract extension would pay him for his ages 31-34 years. IQ's is paying him for ages 26-30. Given you are paying for post prime years I'd say Whites contract extension is a fair offer.

[Fierce1]

I really hope Brad was serious when he said they want Sam long term.

I think Sam can be a future starter for the Cs.

Time comes when Jrue gets old.

Cs are a 2nd apron team, so it would be hard to get a starting caliber player for a while.

Potentially. Wouldn't surprise me if Holiday is traded before the end of his deal, presumably as the salary piece needed to get Porzingis' eventual replacement as the starting center. You could go White/Brown/Hauser/Tatum/new center.

I will say, reading scouting reports, it feels like Scheierman has the more well-rounded offensive game, so if we're talking starter role down the line, it could end up White/Scheierman/Brown/Tatum/new center starting with Hauser still off the bench. But we'll see what the rookie does.

Either way, I'm all on board with keeping good players. That's my overarching philosophy to team building - add good players to your roster and keep the ones you have. Everything sorts itself out if you do that. If you need to save money in a few years, teams will give you assets to take guys off your hands if they're good. If you need to find depth at one spot, you can do that by trading a player at another if you have sufficient backfills there. Having too many good players signed will never be a problem. It's only an issue if they're bad.

No doubt Scheier has a higher ceiling and he's a better scorer than Sam.

But Sam is a specialist who is better off playing with the Jays.

Sam will have a hard time getting a shot off if he's with 2nd stringers.

But if Sam is with the Jays and KP, Sam will get a lot of open looks.

Guess what I'm saying is Sam is better off with the starters than the bench players.