Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

Freaking out over losing a mid player like Deni is something else. He showed almost no improvement over 3 years and finally played decent on a horrible team with large usage. My opinion is that he won't be much better on the Blazers

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Lazy ass, revisionist argument. Deni came onto a team until last year that was trying to win as many games as they could for a play-in spot. A young player coming into that environment with Beal, Westbrook, Porzingis, and Kuzma was never going to get the reps he needed to develop quickly. Bilal was fortunate enough where he was given almost thirty minutes a night in his rookie season while playing poorly most of them.

[9 and 20]

I'm still annoyed by, yet again, underwhelming return. Fast forward six months, and just like happened with Gaff and Zingus, all these analysts who are saying now that Deni is meh, will be asking why and how the Wizards traded him for crumbs.

Fine to wait and see what happens with the rest of the off-season, and I'll get over this trade eventually, but these dudes are not inspiring confidence.

[spaceman_E]

So I wonder if that means POR can't trade any of the '29 1sts? How does that work?

as long as they have a pick in 28 and 30 they can deal either or both as "most favorable" "least favorable"

[spaceman_E]

so many people saying 4!! picks in complete bad faith. We saved Portland a $!*** ton of money in this deal in an offseason when a whole lot of teams want to shed money and very few takers. stinking Charlotte just got 3!! picks for saving Denver less money and got a player who would probably be just as valuable for us as Brogdon (only way we're getting a "1st" i.e. a pick 26-30 for him is if we take back bad future money).

[closg00]

so many people saying 4!! picks in complete bad faith. We saved Portland a $!*** ton of money in this deal in an offseason when a whole lot of teams want to shed money and very few takers. stinking Charlotte just got 3!! picks for saving Denver less money and got a player who would probably be just as valuable for us as Brogdon (only way we're getting a "1st" i.e. a pick 26-30 for him is if we take back bad future money).

This is the what enrages me about the trade, and historically Wizards trades, somehow the team that needs the asset/help the most, makes us their bitch in the trade.

[doclinkin]

so many people saying 4!! picks in complete bad faith. We saved Portland a $!*** ton of money in this deal in an offseason when a whole lot of teams want to shed money and very few takers. stinking Charlotte just got 3!! picks for saving Denver less money and got a player who would probably be just as valuable for us as Brogdon (only way we're getting a "1st" i.e. a pick 26-30 for him is if we take back bad future money).

No the only way we get a 1st for him is if his cap number keeps us at the 90% of lux tax line so we can afford to send Kuz to a team that wants him for a 1st.

[joshuacf]

Freaking out over losing a mid player like Deni is something else. He showed almost no improvement over 3 years and finally played decent on a horrible team with large usage. My opinion is that he won't be much better on the Blazers

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Lazy ass, revisionist argument. Deni came onto a team until last year that was trying to win as many games as they could for a play-in spot. A young player coming into that environment with Beal, Westbrook, Porzingis, and Kuzma was never going to get the reps he needed to develop quickly. Bilal was fortunate enough where he was given almost thirty minutes a night in his rookie season while playing poorly most of them.

That's a great theory, except for the fact that Rui and Kispert came into the same situation, and both played significantly better to start their career than Deni did.

[closg00]

Copied from Game Theory’s YouTube comments

The Blazers cap and roster situation was completely solved in one fell swoop in the Deni Avdija trade as well.

Portland couldn’t draft two rookies with their current roster at the time and stay under the tax. They shedded enough salary with the Brogdon for Deni contract swap to get them out of a bad situation.


They also cleared up the guard rotation for Scoot, Anferneee, Shaedon. Now Portland can see what they really have at the 1-2 without any worry.

With Deni also being on the very best value contract in the NBA, it’s also a huuuuge benefit for Portland’s salary management for the next 4 years.

All in all they killed multiple birds with one stone, traded for a player with upside and experience, in a position of need, that fits perfectly, yet also makes the team more cohesive and competitive

[9 and 20]

I bet if Portland trades Deni next year, they get back more than what they gave up for him.

[Dat2U]

Copied from Game Theory’s YouTube comments

The Blazers cap and roster situation was completely solved in one fell swoop in the Deni Avdija trade as well.

Portland couldn’t draft two rookies with their current roster at the time and stay under the tax. They shedded enough salary with the Brogdon for Deni contract swap to get them out of a bad situation.


They also cleared up the guard rotation for Scoot, Anferneee, Shaedon. Now Portland can see what they really have at the 1-2 without any worry.

With Deni also being on the very best value contract in the NBA, it’s also a huuuuge benefit for Portland’s salary management for the next 4 years.

All in all they killed multiple birds with one stone, traded for a player with upside and experience, in a position of need, that fits perfectly, yet also makes the team more cohesive and competitive

We've entered another era where a Wizards front office places a priority on making friends, being liked and doing favors for other organizations. Interesting over the years that the Wizards have seemingly given out plenty of favors and yet somehow never receive any.

[AFM]

Copied from Game Theory’s YouTube comments

The Blazers cap and roster situation was completely solved in one fell swoop in the Deni Avdija trade as well.

Portland couldn’t draft two rookies with their current roster at the time and stay under the tax. They shedded enough salary with the Brogdon for Deni contract swap to get them out of a bad situation.


They also cleared up the guard rotation for Scoot, Anferneee, Shaedon. Now Portland can see what they really have at the 1-2 without any worry.

With Deni also being on the very best value contract in the NBA, it’s also a huuuuge benefit for Portland’s salary management for the next 4 years.

All in all they killed multiple birds with one stone, traded for a player with upside and experience, in a position of need, that fits perfectly, yet also makes the team more cohesive and competitive

We've entered another era where a Wizards front office places a priority on making friends, being liked and doing favors for other organizations. Interesting over the years that the Wizards have seemingly given out plenty of favors and yet somehow never receive any.

Or they saw something special in Bub. Seems more likely. Occam’s razor and all that.


One thing I’ve learned over the past few days is 90% of this board would stand at 14 in blackjack.

[queridiculo]

The kid wanted to be here and took a below market deal to make it happen.

Quite a stab in the back for Deni, I’m sure he’s heartbroken.

First Beal, now Deni.

Winger with the Clippers playbook.

[Rafael122]

The kid wanted to be here and took a below market deal to make it happen.

Quite a stab in the back for Deni, I’m sure he’s heartbroken.

First Beal, now Deni.

Winger with the Clippers playbook.

I might be in the minority but that's his problem. I'm sure if he went unsigned and still had the same year, he probably would have made himself an extra 20-30 million or so.

[payitforward]

Suppose that instead of R2 picks down the line we'd gotten Portland's 34 & 40 this year.

At 34, we could have taken one of Furphy, Kolek, or Klintman.
Then, at 40, we could have taken one of Ighodaro, Bona, Djurisic, or KJ Simpson.

It's worth noting, by the way, that Portland did wind up trading both those picks; they brought Kolek & Ighodaro.

If we'd gotten 34 & 40 this year, I would feel quite differently about our having traded Deni.

I feel more or less the same way about our having traded the #52 pick to move up from 26 to 24. With that pick we could have added Ulrich Chomche, Cam Spencer, Kevin McCullar, or Hukporti.

With those 3 picks, I would feel like we'd gotten an incredible haul in this year's draft.

In fairness, I know little about George: perhaps he would have been gone at 26; perhaps he'll turn out a lot better than the guys who'd have been there for us at 26.

Let's say that at 26, we'd have missed out on Kyshaun George & taken Jonathan Mogbo.
At 34, let's say Tyler Kolek.
At 40 Adem Bono
At 52 Cam Spencer

Not a definitive statement nor a criticism -- just a reaction on my part.

[badinage]

The kid wanted to be here and took a below market deal to make it happen.

Quite a stab in the back for Deni, I’m sure he’s heartbroken.

First Beal, now Deni.

Winger with the Clippers playbook.

I might be in the minority but that's his problem. I'm sure if he went unsigned and still had the same year, he probably would have made himself an extra 20-30 million or so.

Yes, character is the problem.

I like the dudes on my team to be venal and thinking only of themselves.

[badinage]

The kid wanted to be here and took a below market deal to make it happen.

Quite a stab in the back for Deni, I’m sure he’s heartbroken.

First Beal, now Deni.

Winger with the Clippers playbook.

Which is?

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

Freaking out over losing a mid player like Deni is something else. He showed almost no improvement over 3 years and finally played decent on a horrible team with large usage. My opinion is that he won't be much better on the Blazers

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Lazy ass, revisionist argument. Deni came onto a team until last year that was trying to win as many games as they could for a play-in spot. A young player coming into that environment with Beal, Westbrook, Porzingis, and Kuzma was never going to get the reps he needed to develop quickly. Bilal was fortunate enough where he was given almost thirty minutes a night in his rookie season while playing poorly most of them.

That's a great theory, except for the fact that Rui and Kispert came into the same situation, and both played significantly better to start their career than Deni did.

Rui was and still is a one trick pony that does nothing except score. He was never good with us, he had a decent playoff run with LA year one, that's it. He also is nearly 3 years older with only one more season than Deni.

Kispert also a one trick pony, granted he is a good -albeit streaky- three point shooter on volume. With that said, he's a sieve on defense, doesn't rebound, doesn't pass. Also nearly 2 years older than Deni.

Any more bad arguments? Keep 'em coming.

[Kanyewest]

The kid wanted to be here and took a below market deal to make it happen.

Quite a stab in the back for Deni, I’m sure he’s heartbroken.

First Beal, now Deni.

Winger with the Clippers playbook.

I might be in the minority but that's his problem. I'm sure if he went unsigned and still had the same year, he probably would have made himself an extra 20-30 million or so.

Cap is crazy now. Immanel Quickly just signed a 5 year $175 million deal. To put that in perspective Quickly will make around $11 million less in one season of his contract than Deni will during the 4 years of his entire extension.

[nate33]

The kid wanted to be here and took a below market deal to make it happen.

Quite a stab in the back for Deni, I’m sure he’s heartbroken.

First Beal, now Deni.

Winger with the Clippers playbook.

I might be in the minority but that's his problem. I'm sure if he went unsigned and still had the same year, he probably would have made himself an extra 20-30 million or so.

Cap is crazy now. Immanel Quickly just signed a 5 year $175 million deal. To put that in perspective Quickly will make around $11 million less in one season of his contract than Deni will during the 4 years of his entire extension.

I still can't believe we made this dumb f***ing trade.

[closg00]

Suppose that instead of R2 picks down the line we'd gotten Portland's 34 & 40 this year.

At 34, we could have taken one of Furphy, Kolek, or Klintman.
Then, at 40, we could have taken one of Ighodaro, Bona, Djurisic, or KJ Simpson.

It's worth noting, by the way, that Portland did wind up trading both those picks; they brought Kolek & Ighodaro.

If we'd gotten 34 & 40 this year, I would feel quite differently about our having traded Deni.

I feel more or less the same way about our having traded the #52 pick to move up from 26 to 24. With that pick we could have added Ulrich Chomche, Cam Spencer, Kevin McCullar, or Hukporti.

With those 3 picks, I would feel like we'd gotten an incredible haul in this year's draft.

In fairness, I know little about George: perhaps he would have been gone at 26; perhaps he'll turn out a lot better than the guys who'd have been there for us at 26.

Let's say that at 26, we'd have missed out on Kyshaun George & taken Jonathan Mogbo.
At 34, let's say Tyler Kolek.
At 40 Adem Bono
At 52 Cam Spencer

Not a definitive statement nor a criticism -- just a reaction on my part.

Same reaction on both trades, I thought the idea was to take as-many swings as-possible, we instead placed ALL of our chips on George, not good GMing when you lose trades and wind up with fewer assets IMO, we left some good prospects on the table for other teams.