Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3

[Iscull]

Is Mikal Bridges a materially better player than Ingram?

[Kobblehead]

If the Warriors get Paul George, we should reach out to them about getting Jonathan Kuminga.

[Jailblazers7]

3 PROTECTED picks, sure

True the 3 picks sound scary but whether that’s reasonable or not would depend a lot the details on protections & swap rights.

[Iscull]

I feel like 2-3 Firsts for Ingram or taking on LaVines contract are the only real “3rd Star” options at this point

[Stanford]

If the Warriors get Paul George, we should reach out to them about getting Jonathan Kuminga.

Wouldn't Kuminga be going to LA in the deal?

[AI_Efficiency]

Is Mikal Bridges a materially better player than Ingram?

From the ringer today:

But a breakup can also benefit someone who, in my opinion, is one of the most underrated players in the NBA. Ingram is coming off an atrocious playoff series against the no. 1 seed Oklahoma City Thunder. But it’s also hard to envision a worse scenario: Ingram missed 12 of the regular season’s last 13 games with a knee injury, did not have Zion Williamson to draw any defensive attention, and was mauled by Lu Dort. That performance aside, he’s very good.

Despite a tendency to dine on exceedingly challenging field goal attempts—among the 185 players who logged at least 1,500 minutes last season, Ingram finished 181st in shot quality—and overdribble his way into a rut, this is a midrange technician of the highest order who doubles as one of his position’s most advanced playmakers. Ingram is fearsome enough to demand double-teams in isolation and tall enough to complete just about any pass out of the pick-and-roll. His fallaway jumper is art. His pace is exquisite.

There’s a calm grace to Ingram’s game that few high-usage scorers can claim, yet he’s also not someone who stands still without the ball. Whether flying off a dribble handoff or coming off a screen, Ingram was one of the most efficient players in the league last season, per Synergy Sports. He’s willing to work a possession—come off multiple screens, give the ball up, get it back, (move, move, move) then attack when the defense cracks.

Still only 26—eight years younger than Paul George!—he remains an acquired taste, muddying his value on the trade market. Some general managers will only see red flags, knowing any trade essentially equals a long-term commitment to a big-budget player who’s won two playoff games in an eight-year career.

But Ingram is also someone who elevates his teammates and spent the past few years navigating serious spacing-related warts in New Orleans’s offense. In a different situation, with more room to operate beside a star who can consistently alleviate and embolden his robust skill set, Ingram’s third act may look something like Khris Middleton 2.0.

Ingram will have to taper his responsibilities (and expand his range) in order to win at the highest level, but that’s not an unmanageable request. In the right spot, there’s plenty of time for him to become a perennial All-Star. The fit in Philadelphia, between Joel Embiid and Tyrese Maxey, would need some getting used to. But it has the potential to unlock everything. Ditto for Sacramento, with De’Aaron Fox and Domantas Sabonis. Ingram isn’t plug-and-play, but he is a star who can function in myriad ways, with a ceiling that hasn’t been reached. And if the Pelicans decide they don’t want to give him a max contract, their “trash” will be another team’s treasure.

[FireMorey]

Is Mikal Bridges a materially better player than Ingram?

Ingram is a better player.

[Stanford]

Is Mikal Bridges a materially better player than Ingram?

Ingram is a better player.

Easily.

[Eyeamok]

Is Mikal Bridges a materially better player than Ingram?

From the ringer today:

But a breakup can also benefit someone who, in my opinion, is one of the most underrated players in the NBA. Ingram is coming off an atrocious playoff series against the no. 1 seed Oklahoma City Thunder. But it’s also hard to envision a worse scenario: Ingram missed 12 of the regular season’s last 13 games with a knee injury, did not have Zion Williamson to draw any defensive attention, and was mauled by Lu Dort. That performance aside, he’s very good.

Despite a tendency to dine on exceedingly challenging field goal attempts—among the 185 players who logged at least 1,500 minutes last season, Ingram finished 181st in shot quality—and overdribble his way into a rut, this is a midrange technician of the highest order who doubles as one of his position’s most advanced playmakers. Ingram is fearsome enough to demand double-teams in isolation and tall enough to complete just about any pass out of the pick-and-roll. His fallaway jumper is art. His pace is exquisite.

There’s a calm grace to Ingram’s game that few high-usage scorers can claim, yet he’s also not someone who stands still without the ball. Whether flying off a dribble handoff or coming off a screen, Ingram was one of the most efficient players in the league last season, per Synergy Sports. He’s willing to work a possession—come off multiple screens, give the ball up, get it back, (move, move, move) then attack when the defense cracks.

Still only 26—eight years younger than Paul George!—he remains an acquired taste, muddying his value on the trade market. Some general managers will only see red flags, knowing any trade essentially equals a long-term commitment to a big-budget player who’s won two playoff games in an eight-year career.

But Ingram is also someone who elevates his teammates and spent the past few years navigating serious spacing-related warts in New Orleans’s offense. In a different situation, with more room to operate beside a star who can consistently alleviate and embolden his robust skill set, Ingram’s third act may look something like Khris Middleton 2.0.

Ingram will have to taper his responsibilities (and expand his range) in order to win at the highest level, but that’s not an unmanageable request. In the right spot, there’s plenty of time for him to become a perennial All-Star. The fit in Philadelphia, between Joel Embiid and Tyrese Maxey, would need some getting used to. But it has the potential to unlock everything. Ditto for Sacramento, with De’Aaron Fox and Domantas Sabonis. Ingram isn’t plug-and-play, but he is a star who can function in myriad ways, with a ceiling that hasn’t been reached. And if the Pelicans decide they don’t want to give him a max contract, their “trash” will be another team’s treasure.

Is Ingram represented by Tobia's father ?

[Covi_Marsh]

Size-wise he's more a SG than a forward, but I don't really think he has an ideal SG's game. He doesn't really put the ball on the floor. He can move off the ball so he's not strictly a 3 & D, but he basically creates zero offense for himself. If you're paying 20-25m per season for a SG, they better be able to put the ball on the floor a little bit and generate offense on their own. KCP can't do that, Klay can, even though his ability to do that has significantly declined, he can still shoot really well and get you 17-20 per night. As a 4th option that would be good, he's just not a #2 option anymore.

The Sixers could get away with KCP and Ingram in the lineup together, I'm just saying I think Klay and Ingram's games compliment each other better.

I'd take either I just think Klay gives you more offensively and I always lean offense.

I agree with that but he is essentially a 3&D guard. Unfortunately at 200 lbs he just doesn’t have the strength to guard wings every time down the court. If we sign him we would need another perimeter playmaker at the wing to pair with Maxey

[Covi_Marsh]

If the Warriors get Paul George, we should reach out to them about getting Jonathan Kuminga.

Pretty sure Clippers will want him on their roster unless we trade them a pick back.

[AI_Efficiency]

Is Mikal Bridges a materially better player than Ingram?

From the ringer today:

But a breakup can also benefit someone who, in my opinion, is one of the most underrated players in the NBA. Ingram is coming off an atrocious playoff series against the no. 1 seed Oklahoma City Thunder. But it’s also hard to envision a worse scenario: Ingram missed 12 of the regular season’s last 13 games with a knee injury, did not have Zion Williamson to draw any defensive attention, and was mauled by Lu Dort. That performance aside, he’s very good.

Despite a tendency to dine on exceedingly challenging field goal attempts—among the 185 players who logged at least 1,500 minutes last season, Ingram finished 181st in shot quality—and overdribble his way into a rut, this is a midrange technician of the highest order who doubles as one of his position’s most advanced playmakers. Ingram is fearsome enough to demand double-teams in isolation and tall enough to complete just about any pass out of the pick-and-roll. His fallaway jumper is art. His pace is exquisite.

There’s a calm grace to Ingram’s game that few high-usage scorers can claim, yet he’s also not someone who stands still without the ball. Whether flying off a dribble handoff or coming off a screen, Ingram was one of the most efficient players in the league last season, per Synergy Sports. He’s willing to work a possession—come off multiple screens, give the ball up, get it back, (move, move, move) then attack when the defense cracks.

Still only 26—eight years younger than Paul George!—he remains an acquired taste, muddying his value on the trade market. Some general managers will only see red flags, knowing any trade essentially equals a long-term commitment to a big-budget player who’s won two playoff games in an eight-year career.

But Ingram is also someone who elevates his teammates and spent the past few years navigating serious spacing-related warts in New Orleans’s offense. In a different situation, with more room to operate beside a star who can consistently alleviate and embolden his robust skill set, Ingram’s third act may look something like Khris Middleton 2.0.

Ingram will have to taper his responsibilities (and expand his range) in order to win at the highest level, but that’s not an unmanageable request. In the right spot, there’s plenty of time for him to become a perennial All-Star. The fit in Philadelphia, between Joel Embiid and Tyrese Maxey, would need some getting used to. But it has the potential to unlock everything. Ditto for Sacramento, with De’Aaron Fox and Domantas Sabonis. Ingram isn’t plug-and-play, but he is a star who can function in myriad ways, with a ceiling that hasn’t been reached. And if the Pelicans decide they don’t want to give him a max contract, their “trash” will be another team’s treasure.

Is Ingram represented by Tobia's father ?

Lol. Honestly, if we got Ingram I would hope he becomes everything Brand thought Tobias would be.

[ProcessDoctor]

Is Mikal Bridges a materially better player than Ingram?

lol hell no. He will never sniff an all-star team.

[Iscull]

Is Mikal Bridges a materially better player than Ingram?

From the ringer today:

But a breakup can also benefit someone who, in my opinion, is one of the most underrated players in the NBA. Ingram is coming off an atrocious playoff series against the no. 1 seed Oklahoma City Thunder. But it’s also hard to envision a worse scenario: Ingram missed 12 of the regular season’s last 13 games with a knee injury, did not have Zion Williamson to draw any defensive attention, and was mauled by Lu Dort. That performance aside, he’s very good.

Despite a tendency to dine on exceedingly challenging field goal attempts—among the 185 players who logged at least 1,500 minutes last season, Ingram finished 181st in shot quality—and overdribble his way into a rut, this is a midrange technician of the highest order who doubles as one of his position’s most advanced playmakers. Ingram is fearsome enough to demand double-teams in isolation and tall enough to complete just about any pass out of the pick-and-roll. His fallaway jumper is art. His pace is exquisite.

There’s a calm grace to Ingram’s game that few high-usage scorers can claim, yet he’s also not someone who stands still without the ball. Whether flying off a dribble handoff or coming off a screen, Ingram was one of the most efficient players in the league last season, per Synergy Sports. He’s willing to work a possession—come off multiple screens, give the ball up, get it back, (move, move, move) then attack when the defense cracks.

Still only 26—eight years younger than Paul George!—he remains an acquired taste, muddying his value on the trade market. Some general managers will only see red flags, knowing any trade essentially equals a long-term commitment to a big-budget player who’s won two playoff games in an eight-year career.

But Ingram is also someone who elevates his teammates and spent the past few years navigating serious spacing-related warts in New Orleans’s offense. In a different situation, with more room to operate beside a star who can consistently alleviate and embolden his robust skill set, Ingram’s third act may look something like Khris Middleton 2.0.

Ingram will have to taper his responsibilities (and expand his range) in order to win at the highest level, but that’s not an unmanageable request. In the right spot, there’s plenty of time for him to become a perennial All-Star. The fit in Philadelphia, between Joel Embiid and Tyrese Maxey, would need some getting used to. But it has the potential to unlock everything. Ditto for Sacramento, with De’Aaron Fox and Domantas Sabonis. Ingram isn’t plug-and-play, but he is a star who can function in myriad ways, with a ceiling that hasn’t been reached. And if the Pelicans decide they don’t want to give him a max contract, their “trash” will be another team’s treasure.

I also wonder if he’s a “Nurse” type of player, or if that will wear him down. I knows he’s had an extensive injury history which gives me the most pause.

The question is do we pull the trigger now or wait for next trade deadline to use the picks

[Covi_Marsh]

I think our big trade gets made the moment PG opts in. I think Daryl is just waiting to see if he’s actually opting in or not.

I think the only doubt is if the Clips are going to give PG13 the 4th year at the very last deadline (tomorrow).

If Morey is waiting is because PG isn't opting in. Otherwise, there will be many other teams (on the west coast too) more equipped for a sign and trade.

GM sounds like he happy with the offer they gave PG in his press conference. And they hope he returns but he understands it’s a business. I don’t think they’re budging off the at 3 year deal.

[Iscull]

Is Mikal Bridges a materially better player than Ingram?

lol hell no. He will never sniff an all-star team.

So arguably trading 2-3 FRP’s is a decent deal compared to what the Knicks gave up

[FireMorey]

Size-wise he's more a SG than a forward, but I don't really think he has an ideal SG's game. He doesn't really put the ball on the floor. He can move off the ball so he's not strictly a 3 & D, but he basically creates zero offense for himself. If you're paying 20-25m per season for a SG, they better be able to put the ball on the floor a little bit and generate offense on their own. KCP can't do that, Klay can, even though his ability to do that has significantly declined, he can still shoot really well and get you 17-20 per night. As a 4th option that would be good, he's just not a #2 option anymore.

The Sixers could get away with KCP and Ingram in the lineup together, I'm just saying I think Klay and Ingram's games compliment each other better.

I'd take either I just think Klay gives you more offensively and I always lean offense.

I agree with that but he is essentially a 3&D guard. Unfortunately at 200 lbs he just doesn’t have the strength to guard wings every time down the court. If we sign him we would need another perimeter playmaker at the wing to pair with Maxey

I agree, but when I called him a '3' I always associate 3&D with wings/forwards. It's just hard for me conceptually to consider 3&D players guards, because my whole life I associate guards with guys who have the ball in their hands and create. I know the game has changed, but still. But from a defensive perspective, yeah, you don't want him guarding 4's. I think he could defend smaller 3's though and he plays passing lanes well.

[AI_Efficiency]

It is somewhat wild to me we don't know what PG is going to do yet. You would think that if either side hasn't caved yet, it won't happen at the last minute, but I guess you never know.

[davesilver]

If we get Ingram, we should really try and pry Nance away. Low volume but has an above league average 3P%. Great rebounder. Expiring 11M deal.

Together would be ~47M leaving ~30M in space.

Could easily sign KCP (22M), Batum (7M), Oubre MLE

Maxey KCP Ingram Nance Embiid
McCain Oubre RC4 Batum Reed

[Covi_Marsh]

It is somewhat wild to me we don't know what PG is going to do yet. You would think that if either side hasn't caved yet, it won't happen at the last minute, but I guess you never know.

Being optimistic but I feel like if news broke he was gonna opt out and then sign with Philly after all the news that we were gonna go hard at him and after embiid did what he did, we would get punished lol. Reports came out we waned on him right after embiid tampered.