Free Agent, Trade & Extensions Thread, 2024-25

[ConstableGeneva]

Not my money so I'd ultimately want them to pay White's number whether on extension or FA, but +$3M is like +$20M (made up figure but you get the idea) with the repeater tax and escalating multiplier depending on tax bracket. Ideally, he agrees on the offered max extension fo sho.

[Fierce1]

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The dynasty is over before it even began?

I'm going to choose not to revel too much in a potential adversary's downfall, because the Celtics are going to be in this situation in fairly near future. They'll be fine next year, but in 25-26 they enter the repeater tax and there are going to be some hard decisions that they have to make. The Tatum/Brown/Holiday/White/KP core probably has two years at most left before it becomes too expensive.

The difference is Denver immediately lost Bruce and Jeff after winning a chip.

Like you said, the Cs will be fine this coming season.

Denver didn't get a chance to run it back for a repeat.

[keevsnick1]

I really hope Brad was serious when he said they want Sam long term.

I think Sam can be a future starter for the Cs.

Time comes when Jrue gets old.

Cs are a 2nd apron team, so it would be hard to get a starting caliber player for a while.

I imagine that Sam will be extended. That doesn't for sure mean he'll be here long term. There are a lot of options moving forward if you extend him:

1) He gets extended but traded next summer for picks with Scheierman taking his role. This saves ownership a ton of money in tax. '
2) He gets extended but is traded next summer for a big man using his contract as matching salary. Would make some sense if Horford retires.
3) He gets extended and takes over a starting spot if perimeter starters needs to be moved for tax reasons.

The one scenario i think is less likely is he gets extended just to stay in the rotation. That's likely just to be too expensive for ownership unless salary comes off the books elsewhere.

[keevsnick1]

The dynasty is over before it even began?

I'm going to choose not to revel too much in a potential adversary's downfall, because the Celtics are going to be in this situation in fairly near future. They'll be fine next year, but in 25-26 they enter the repeater tax and there are going to be some hard decisions that they have to make. The Tatum/Brown/Holiday/White/KP core probably has two years at most left before it becomes too expensive.

The difference is Denver immediately lost Bruce and Jeff after winning a chip.

Like you said, the Cs will be fine this coming season.

Denver didn't get a chance to run it back for a repeat.

Ya Boston will get one extra year before they face the same problem. That's not nothing.

[Fierce1]

I really hope Brad was serious when he said they want Sam long term.

I think Sam can be a future starter for the Cs.

Time comes when Jrue gets old.

Cs are a 2nd apron team, so it would be hard to get a starting caliber player for a while.

I imagine that Sam will be extended. That doesn't for sure mean he'll be here long term. There are a lot of options moving forward if you extend him:

1) He gets extended but traded next summer for picks with Scheierman taking his role. This saves ownership a ton of money in tax. '
2) He gets extended but is traded next summer for a big man using his contract as matching salary. Would make some sense if Horford retires.
3) He gets extended and takes over a starting spot if perimeter starters needs to be moved for tax reasons.

The one scenario i think is less likely is he gets extended just to stay in the rotation. That's likely just to be too expensive for ownership unless salary comes off the books elsewhere.

Yeah, anything's possible after 2025.

A fair trade is the Cs repeat and win Banner 19 then they can blow it up if they want to.

As long as the Jays remain, Cs will always be a contender.

[ConstableGeneva]

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[hugepatsfan]

I really hope Brad was serious when he said they want Sam long term.

I think Sam can be a future starter for the Cs.

Time comes when Jrue gets old.

Cs are a 2nd apron team, so it would be hard to get a starting caliber player for a while.

Potentially. Wouldn't surprise me if Holiday is traded before the end of his deal, presumably as the salary piece needed to get Porzingis' eventual replacement as the starting center. You could go White/Brown/Hauser/Tatum/new center.

I will say, reading scouting reports, it feels like Scheierman has the more well-rounded offensive game, so if we're talking starter role down the line, it could end up White/Scheierman/Brown/Tatum/new center starting with Hauser still off the bench. But we'll see what the rookie does.

Either way, I'm all on board with keeping good players. That's my overarching philosophy to team building - add good players to your roster and keep the ones you have. Everything sorts itself out if you do that. If you need to save money in a few years, teams will give you assets to take guys off your hands if they're good. If you need to find depth at one spot, you can do that by trading a player at another if you have sufficient backfills there. Having too many good players signed will never be a problem. It's only an issue if they're bad.

No doubt Scheier has a higher ceiling and he's a better scorer than Sam.

But Sam is a specialist who is better off playing with the Jays.

Sam will have a hard time getting a shot off if he's with 2nd stringers.

But if Sam is with the Jays and KP, Sam will get a lot of open looks.

Guess what I'm saying is Sam is better off with the starters than the bench players.

Meh, he's doing fine coming off the bench now. Coming off the bench doesn't necessarily mean playing with a bunch of other 2nd stringers. Maybe on some teams, but Mazzulla doesn't really line up his rotation like that. You're not going to find too much time with more than 2 bench players on the floor at the same time I bet if you dig through the lineup data.

[phincsfan]

I'm interested to see what the kid Peterson brings to the table. They are building a pipeline and finding similarly skilled players like Sam. (Peterson, Wieskamp, Scheierman). These players need to crack the rotation to see what they offer. If Sam doesn't get a contract then a kid like Peterson IMO has to get some minutes to see his fit.

I don't see how they keep both Sam and Pritchard. My choice is Sam. I said if Brad needed Pritchard to move up in the draft for a player they were targeting than I'm good with that. If they need to free up money in order to keep Sam and by moving Pritchard makes that possible next year than I'm good with that also.

[Jammer]

Phoenix is a lot deeper over the 2nd Apron than the Celtics, but have leaked they are interested in Kris Dunn, who they could only get for a vet minimum contract.

If the Celtics could get the Massachusetts native to sign for Minimum (Brown, Tatum and Horford know him), that would free them to use Pritch at some point in a deal for a VET BIG.

And it's not a Pritch vs. Dunn thing.

It's a Pritch vs. Dunn + VET BIG thing. Huge difference.

[Jammer]

By the way, as we look for a vet min PF behind Tatum, what do folks think Gordon Hayward and Cedi Osman will get as Free Agents (OKC and San Antonio, respectively) and who do you think will they sign with. Either would be a fabulous backup PF for minimum (considering what the other choices are).

[Jammer]

My dream depth chart this season, which allows using Pritch or Springer to find Horford's ultimate replacement:

PG
Derrick White
Pritch
Kris Dunn

SG
Jrue Holiday
Jaden Springer
Jordan Walsh

SF
Jaylen Brown
Sam Hauser
Baylor Scheierman

PF
Jayson Tatum
Gordon Hayward or Cedi Osman

C
Al Horford
TBD (based on what Pritch or Springer + Picks can bring back)
Neemias Queta
Kristaps Porzingis (out until January ?)

[hugepatsfan]

Phoenix is a lot deeper over the 2nd Apron than the Celtics, but have leaked they are interested in Kris Dunn, who they could only get for a vet minimum contract.

If the Celtics could get the Massachusetts native to sign for Minimum (Brown, Tatum and Horford know him), that would free them to use Pritch at some point in a deal for a VET BIG.

And it's not a Pritch vs. Dunn thing.

It's a Pritch vs. Dunn + VET BIG thing. Huge difference.

Look at it from Dunn's perspective though... they don't have an actual PG on the roster. Great opportunity for him to play a real role off the bench, maybe even start at some point.

You're offering him the chance to play MAYBE down the line IF we find a deal with Pritchard for a vet big. It's not the same.

If we trade Pritchard for a vet big man tomorrow, then my guess is we'd be a very attractive spot for Dunn to sign. But right now? I don't see it. Not over Phoenix.

[darrendaye]

My dream depth charge this season, which allows using Pritch or Springer to find Horford's ultimate replacement.

PG
Derrick White
Pritch
Kris Dunn

SG
Jrue Holiday
Jaden Springer
Jordan Walsh

SF
Jaylen Brown
Sam Hauser
Bayler Scheierman

PF
Jayson Tatum
Gordon Hayward or Cedi Osman

C
Al Horford
TBD (based on what Pritch or Springer + Picks can bring back)
Neemias Queta
Kristaps Porzingis (out until January ?)

Not a fan of Tillman or think he'll be priced out of their range?

[Hal14]

I really hope Brad was serious when he said they want Sam long term.

I think Sam can be a future starter for the Cs.

Time comes when Jrue gets old.

Cs are a 2nd apron team, so it would be hard to get a starting caliber player for a while.

I imagine that Sam will be extended. That doesn't for sure mean he'll be here long term. There are a lot of options moving forward if you extend him:

1) He gets extended but traded next summer for picks with Scheierman taking his role. This saves ownership a ton of money in tax. '
2) He gets extended but is traded next summer for a big man using his contract as matching salary. Would make some sense if Horford retires.
3) He gets extended and takes over a starting spot if perimeter starters needs to be moved for tax reasons.

The one scenario i think is less likely is he gets extended just to stay in the rotation. That's likely just to be too expensive for ownership unless salary comes off the books elsewhere.

Yeah, you're probably right.

But his extension won't kick in until the 25-26 season. There's 2 variables here:

a) we don't know how much Al will be making during the 25-26 season..he's not signed past this (24-25) season..if al retires next summer, that saves some $..if he plays in 25-26 but on a really cheap deal, that also saves some $

b) we don't know how much Hauser's extension will be for. Maybe it's only a little more than Pritchard's extension..Pritchard is making $7.2 mil in 25-26. If Hauser on his extension is making $8.2 mil in 25-26 (or maybe just $9.2 mil) rather than being in the $14-$17 mil a year range, well that makes it easier to afford him as a bench player..

[ConstableGeneva]

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[TheBookOfIsaiah]

quote="keevsnick1"]

I really hope Brad was serious when he said they want Sam long term.

I think Sam can be a future starter for the Cs.

Time comes when Jrue gets old.

Cs are a 2nd apron team, so it would be hard to get a starting caliber player for a while.

I imagine that Sam will be extended. That doesn't for sure mean he'll be here long term. There are a lot of options moving forward if you extend him:

1) He gets extended but traded next summer for picks with Scheierman taking his role. This saves ownership a ton of money in tax. '
2) He gets extended but is traded next summer for a big man using his contract as matching salary. Would make some sense if Horford retires.
3) He gets extended and takes over a starting spot if perimeter starters needs to be moved for tax reasons.

The one scenario i think is less likely is he gets extended just to stay in the rotation. That's likely just to be too expensive for ownership unless salary comes off the books elsewhere.[/quote]

Option 2 is the scenario I like the most. Extend him for 3 years 45M then trade his contract next year for somebody like Isaiah Stewart or Wendell Carter Jr.

[ConstableGeneva]

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Don't care much either way, but I think this is the situation with Brissett right now. JMO, no sources/reporting on this.

[Dogen]

The Celtics with the Steal of the Afterdraft!

Exhibit-10 signing of 6'8" 23yo Tristan Enaruna. Another plus wingspan guy that can sky.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/06/celtics-to-sign-tristan-enaruna-to-exhibit-10-contract.html

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Going by his freshman year stats from Kansas, seems like a viable 3&D prospect.

Going by the rest of his stats - he still looks like a viable 3&D prospect, he just never developed a reliable three point shot. Up until his senior year, his A/TO ratio had also been poor for a lower usage 3&D type, but was much better last season.

nbadraftroom.com lists his position as "PG SG SF PF C"

From what Brad said in the post-draft presser, it seems the team is confident in developing a player's 3pt shot. Who knows how they determine that potential, but they seem to have a nose for finding guys. With Oshae, it didn't look like he developed that shot, but he didn't get a lot of opportunities. We'll get a chance to see Walsh, Watson and Enaruna in summer league. I'm sure the 3pt shot will be a point of focus for all of them if they are anticipating in being part of the "five out" lineups.

And Enaruna can play 5 positions. Nice!

[Celts17Pride]

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[hugepatsfan]

On the one hand, Porzingis' injury makes me more inclined to keep Kornet because he's reliable and we know we're going to need minutes there. On the other hand, have to accept the realization that Porzingis is and always be a wildcard health wise and you have to prepare for him missing not just regular season games, but playoff games.

We know what Kornet is and isn't at this point. He's proven that he IS someone you can use to soak up minutes at the 5 spot in the regular season. He IS NOT someone you want playing minutes in the playoffs. So IDK, I think I'm inclined to gamble on someone else that maybe has the upside to hack it in the playoffs if it comes to that.