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Updated 2024 Cap Situation 

Post#1 » by bluerap23 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 7:32 pm

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Post#2 » by MiamiSPX » Fri Jun 28, 2024 7:34 pm

You're a gem for always sharing this. Thanks.
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Post#3 » by DreamTeam09 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 7:39 pm

bluerap23 wrote:Some is projection. Still loads of options to pursue. BB intentionally left off depth chart. Speak it into existence.

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Does that 137 guarantee # include Brown?
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Post#4 » by dhackett1565 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 7:40 pm

Few notes: if they use the 2nd round exceptions, the 2nd rounders will have longer deals and bigger cap hits (3 years and 1 year vet min; or 4 years and 2 year vet min).

IQ's first year could vary between what is shown here and his maximum 35.3M (this would allow a relatively flat structure, or a 2nd year peak at 38M and 4th and 5th years of only 33M).

Max cap room would be about 21.7M if Brown gets opted out of (and JFL is cut, which seems likely regardless).

Worth noting Jak has 500k and RJ has ~3M in unlikely incentives, which would come into play if they start worrying about the tax line or aprons at some point.
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Post#5 » by arbsn » Fri Jun 28, 2024 7:42 pm

Great job on this but MAN is this team bad :lol: cooper flag here we come!
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Post#6 » by Zeno » Fri Jun 28, 2024 7:44 pm

I think there is no way we give Mogbo and probably Shead two year minimum contracts. Almost certainly using the new exception for 2nd rounders.
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Post#7 » by dhackett1565 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 7:45 pm

Zeno wrote:I think there is no way we give Mogbo and probably Shead two year minimum contracts. Almost certainly using the new exception for 2nd rounders.


We could also set aside some of our cap room (if we have it) or MLE (again if we have it) to give them three year deals with the actual minimum salaries in place. But both seem unlikely, the 2nd round exceptions are probably the way to go.
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Re: Updated 2024 Cap Situation 

Post#8 » by brownbobcat » Fri Jun 28, 2024 7:47 pm

dhackett1565 wrote:Few notes: if they use the 2nd round exceptions, the 2nd rounders will have longer deals and bigger cap hits (3 years and 1 year vet min; or 4 years and 2 year vet min).

IQ's first year could vary between what is shown here and his maximum 35.3M (this would allow a relatively flat structure, or a 2nd year peak at 38M and 4th and 5th years of only 33M).

Max cap room would be about 21.7M if Brown gets opted out of (and JFL is cut, which seems likely regardless).

Worth noting Jak has 500k and RJ has ~3M in unlikely incentives, which would come into play if they start worrying about the tax line or aprons at some point.

How are you arriving at that? They're at $137M even if they waive BB/GTJ/JFL, that's basically no cap room.
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Post#9 » by Phezmo123 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 7:47 pm

arbsn wrote:Great job on this but MAN is this team bad :lol: cooper flag here we come!

I really wish we were bad enough to tank, but we’re a borderline play-in team.
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Post#10 » by dhackett1565 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 7:55 pm

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dhackett1565 wrote:Few notes: if they use the 2nd round exceptions, the 2nd rounders will have longer deals and bigger cap hits (3 years and 1 year vet min; or 4 years and 2 year vet min).

IQ's first year could vary between what is shown here and his maximum 35.3M (this would allow a relatively flat structure, or a 2nd year peak at 38M and 4th and 5th years of only 33M).

Max cap room would be about 21.7M if Brown gets opted out of (and JFL is cut, which seems likely regardless).

Worth noting Jak has 500k and RJ has ~3M in unlikely incentives, which would come into play if they start worrying about the tax line or aprons at some point.

How are you arriving at that? They're at $137M even if they waive BB/GTJ/JFL, that's basically no cap room.


If they opt out of BB, waive JFL, let Gary et al walk, they have 118M committed to 11 players, including IQ's cap hold of 12.5M. Add one minimum salary slot of 1.2M to get to the minimum of 12 slots spoken for and you are at 119.3M in a 141M cap, leaving 21.7M in cap room.

Once the cap room is used up they sign IQ to his 30+M salary, and sign the 2nd round rookies (/have their deals start to count against the cap at the end of July) and the cap room is gone, but they can do stuff before signing IQ.
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Post#11 » by brownbobcat » Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:06 pm

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dhackett1565 wrote:Few notes: if they use the 2nd round exceptions, the 2nd rounders will have longer deals and bigger cap hits (3 years and 1 year vet min; or 4 years and 2 year vet min).

IQ's first year could vary between what is shown here and his maximum 35.3M (this would allow a relatively flat structure, or a 2nd year peak at 38M and 4th and 5th years of only 33M).

Max cap room would be about 21.7M if Brown gets opted out of (and JFL is cut, which seems likely regardless).

Worth noting Jak has 500k and RJ has ~3M in unlikely incentives, which would come into play if they start worrying about the tax line or aprons at some point.

How are you arriving at that? They're at $137M even if they waive BB/GTJ/JFL, that's basically no cap room.


If they opt out of BB, waive JFL, let Gary et al walk, they have 118M committed to 11 players, including IQ's cap hold of 12.5M. Add one minimum salary slot of 1.2M to get to the minimum of 12 slots spoken for and you are at 119.3M in a 141M cap, leaving 21.7M in cap room.

Once the cap room is used up they sign IQ to his 30+M salary, and sign the 2nd round rookies (/have their deals start to count against the cap at the end of July) and the cap room is gone, but they can do stuff before signing IQ.

Ah yes, I was counting IQ's new deal but it isn't technically signed yet.
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Re: Updated 2024 Cap Situation 

Post#12 » by bluerap23 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 10:33 pm

Well things are changing quickly. Just added BB contract. Still refuse to add him to the depth chart.
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Re: Updated 2024 Cap Situation 

Post#13 » by Godaddycurse » Fri Jun 28, 2024 10:40 pm

OP's salary cap estimates for future years seem conservative/low
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Post#14 » by dhackett1565 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 11:25 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:OP's salary cap estimates for future years seem conservative/low


They are low. We can write in 10% increases every year for the foreseeable future.
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Post#15 » by metafisical » Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:33 am

Just to confirm then. We don't have enough room under the tax to reasonably re-sign GTj, right? Please let that be so.
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Post#16 » by RapsFanInOhio » Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:43 am

metafisical wrote:Just to confirm then. We don't have enough room under the tax to reasonably re-sign GTj, right? Please let that be so.

We could probably find a way to get under the tax and sign him with Bird Rights depending on his starting salary.

I think it’s more likely we try to take on a longer term deal with Brown’s expiring - and try to pick up an extra asset or two - as opposed to signing GTJ, but you can’t really do both without getting pretty creative.
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Post#17 » by RapsFanInOhio » Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:47 am

Looking at this, I think it’s pretty likely Brown gets dealt. We can reasonably take on some salary for the next few years (Hunter or Wiggins), pickup some sort of asset, and get another depth piece.

I do see a scenario where Brown is back and the starting SG though.
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Post#18 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri Jul 5, 2024 5:29 pm

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Post#19 » by sidsid » Fri Jul 5, 2024 8:15 pm

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Post#20 » by bluerap23 » Fri Jul 5, 2024 10:39 pm

sidsid wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
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Convoluted approaches to making a new superstar empowerment era Stepien rule, but paired with the other changes it's likely going to achieve the goal of dismantling superteams after a couple years. It's already claimed the Clippers and I don't see the Sun's keeping KD passed next season either.


Celtics will be an interesting case study.
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