[Shams] Quickley extends for 5 years $175 million

[Colbinii]

The overwhelming majority of IQ's minutes in NY were as a sixth man. There were (are) real questions as to whether he could have the same impact as a starter. This is a contract given to not just a starter, but a really good starter and he hasn't shown that yet. I think the market would've priced in the downside risk more than the Raptors did.

It's like Top 15-20 Starter. Not really good. Just good.

Assuming that $37.5M is the going rate for the 15-20th starters at their position, and that seems really high to me, he hasn't demonstrated that's where he ranks yet, and I don't think another team would've paid it.

I think Quickley has been in that range for a couple years now. Some better players have some major injury questions, some are clearly aging out, and some are simply overrated.

For example, is D'Aaron Fox a whole tier better than Quickley? Fox is likely signing a Max extension in the next year.

He ranked 16th in OBPM for PG's in 2024. That's behind players like Lillard, Harden and McCollum who are on the downturn of their careers (and likely won't be better than Quickley over the next 3 seasons, let alone 5).

I think he is squarely in the Fox/FVV/Murray tier of PG's, which is right below All-Star and firmly into "Decent Starter" tier.

[oldncreaky]

I view him as a player in roughly the Dallas version of Brunson but without any positive playoff performance to speak of. He got $26m/year just two years ago as a UFA.

Quickly was going to be an RFA and I can guarantee that no one was going to put in a bigger bid than this.

brunson's contract is 3 + 1 PO and his contract was for 22.4%, 19.4%, 17.7% of the cap. it's actually a very similar percentage of cap but a more favourable length for IQ (assuming no PO)

It was also a descending contract whereas IQ's, if it's flat at $35m/year, pays him 24.8% of the cap in year 1. With his max being $25m/year, Toronto can't even do that structure with IQ's contract because year 1 is so close to max money.

Disagree on
"Quickly was going to be an RFA and I can guarantee that no one was going to put in a bigger bid than this"

With the FA market drying up faster than the Sahara, Detroit's options for what to do with their cap space are evaporating. Assuming they decline Fournier, they're sitting at $88M for 14 players, and need to spend another $40M just to get to the salary floor. If Toronto hadn't locked up Quickley, there's a good chance he would have looked like DET's best option in 3 days time.

I could also see Orlando getting interested if there was any kind of hesitation on TOR's part.

[giberish]

Assuming 10% annual increases in the salary cap because of the new media deal, Quickley's % of the salary cap according to spotrac is as follows :
21.4%
21.0%
20.5%
19.9%
19.3%

If he plays like a below average starting-level guard, it's a bad deal

If he plays like an average starting-level guard, it's a good deal

If he improves to a top 10-15ish (starting) point guard, it's a great deal

Decent gamble for Toronto. I'd have preferred if they would have made it flatter and/or more front-loaded, but it is a reasonable risk given what IQ has looked like in a small sample size as a starter

iMO that sort of money would be for a third guy on a good team (which is an above-average but not elite starter). Quickly feels more like a forth guy on a good team or a 2nd or 3rd on a poor team. So a mild overpay. $30M/yr would have felt about right.

[sortpar]

Torontos GM must be the worst GM ever. Immediately this contract becomes one of the worst day one.

Really.... This coming from a fan of a team that signed Tobias Harris to a $180 million, five year contract in 2019.

[Jadoogar]

This is about 21.3 percent of the cap if normal ascending (starting at just over 30M). I wonder if we could make it flat instead though. Not terrible if he can prove to be a 3rd option starter or better. By the last few yrs it will be <20% of the cap

Yeah, a flat contract would make this feel a lot better. A deal like Vassell is probably best.

35/37/36/34/33 or however you want to play with the numbers. Technically can go up 2.8, so should-would be a bit cheaper the last two years, right?

But if the fifth year isn’t a player option - I like this for Toronto which ever way they break it up.

I’d still love to see a one year tank. But locking a that good of a starter up through age 30 at below 20% is fine to me.

Mostly agree.

I'd decline Brown, let GTJ walk, throw Dick in the starting line up and see what happens. The rotation would be mostly under-25 kids apart from Poeltl and Olynyk. If they make the play-in with a bunch of improving kids, great; if not, they're in the lottery, and maybe pivot at the TDL if the team is under-performing.

But heading into Scottie's 4th year, I wouldn't "strip it down to the studs" in the summer -- way too much risk they end up like DET/CHA/WAS on the rebuilding treadmill. Got to find out if Barnes/Quickley/RJ is a core worth building around.

the team will almost certainly be bad again this year. The starting lineup is likely IQ, Dick, RJ, Scottie, Poeltl. Still light on shooting and shot creation, the best shooter is a 2nd year player. The bench will isn't bring much more shooting as it will be Brown, Olynyk and Mitchell.

I don't think the team has to try very hard to be bad this year. I get the instinct to trade Poeltl but i've watched this team without a center and it is not enjoyable.

[docholliday99]

The overwhelming majority of IQ's minutes in NY were as a sixth man. There were (are) real questions as to whether he could have the same impact as a starter. This is a contract given to not just a starter, but a really good starter and he hasn't shown that yet. I think the market would've priced in the downside risk more than the Raptors did.

It's like Top 15-20 Starter. Not really good. Just good.

Assuming that $37.5M is the going rate for the 15-20th starters at their position, and that seems really high to me, he hasn't demonstrated that's where he ranks yet, and I don't think another team would've paid it.

Could say 35m AAV, instead of bumping it up 37.5m but IQ starts at 30m and I think that's important, as simply looking at the AAV, one typically doesn't take into account that the cap will increase from 141 to 206 over the 5 years of the contract.

Many were happy with IQ at 25 (17.7% of the cap) which would be 5/147, but shocked that he starts at 30 (21.2%), which is 5/175. That's an average increase of 5.6m per year.

3.5% increase from the fan driven desire of what he should be paid, seems to be a fairly reasonable gamble on a young player who barely turned 25yo. and his potential.

It's a lot easier looking at percentage of the cap then looking at these huge numbers these guys make; well, easier to stomach for me.

[HotelVitale]

Torontos GM must be the worst GM ever. Immediately this contract becomes one of the worst day one.

Really.... This coming from a fan of a team that signed Tobias Harris to a $180 million, five year contract in 2019.

Eh, that Harris contract was a full vet max while IQ’s is well below a rookie max. Harris was making a full 30% of the cap every year and IQ’s making like 21% of the cap. Almost 50% smaller than Harris and I don’t think Harris is a better player.

[PhillyNj]

Torontos GM must be the worst GM ever. Immediately this contract becomes one of the worst day one.

Really.... This coming from a fan of a team that signed Tobias Harris to a $180 million, five year contract in 2019.

Yep I know what it feels like.Harris was absolutely a better player.

[jbk1234]

It's like Top 15-20 Starter. Not really good. Just good.

Assuming that $37.5M is the going rate for the 15-20th starters at their position, and that seems really high to me, he hasn't demonstrated that's where he ranks yet, and I don't think another team would've paid it.

Could say 35m AAV, instead of bumping it up 37.5m but IQ starts at 30m and I think that's important, as simply looking at the AAV, one typically doesn't take into account that the cap will increase from 141 to 206 over the 5 years of the contract.

Many were happy with IQ at 25 (17.7% of the cap) which would be 5/147, but shocked that he starts at 30 (21.2%), which is 5/175. That's an average increase of 5.6m per year.

3.5% increase from the fan driven desire of what he should be paid, seems to be a fairly reasonable gamble on a young player who barely turned 25yo. and his potential.

It's a lot easier looking at percentage of the cap then looking at these huge numbers these guys make; well, easier to stomach for me.

I guess my response is that if you start IQ at under 18% of the cap and it declines to 12-13% over 5 years, he's tradeable as a sixth man towards the end of it. If you start him north of 21% and it declines to like 16-17%, you're pretty much all in on him working out as a starter.

[Godaddycurse]

Torontos GM must be the worst GM ever. Immediately this contract becomes one of the worst day one.

Really.... This coming from a fan of a team that signed Tobias Harris to a $180 million, five year contract in 2019.

Yep I know what it feels like.Harris was absolutely a better player.

You should bring him back then if he is better

[Residual-Heat]

To me this seems like an overpay. He's a decent player, but not really a proven starter. I thought his defense looked much worse as a starter, though he was as expected offensively (probably even better than most expected as a playmaker). I do expect him to prove to be a decent starter next year, but at 25 years old he's not exactly young anymore and i dont see a lot more upside.

I would've guessed closer to 25 mill than 35 TBH, and thought the Raptors probably should consider not matching above 30 mill. I guess i havent adjusted to the new CBA agreement, but 35 just seems like too much. In time though maybe it will be a fair contract.

[Godaddycurse]

To me this seems like an overpay. He's a decent player, but not really a proven starter. I thought his defense looked much worse as a starter, though he was as expected offensively (probably even better than most expected as a playmaker). I do expect him to prove to be a decent starter next year, but at 25 years old he's not exactly young anymore and i dont see a lot more upside.

I would've guessed closer to 25 mill than 35 TBH, and thought the Raptors probably should consider not matching above 30 mill. I guess i havent adjusted to the new CBA agreement, but 35 just seems like too much. In time though maybe it will be a fair contract.

team D as a whole was a fail last year. He was above average in NYK last year so hopefully with a better system/more chemistry the D improves this year.

[Raptors Realtor]

Torontos GM must be the worst GM ever. Immediately this contract becomes one of the worst day one.

Really.... This coming from a fan of a team that signed Tobias Harris to a $180 million, five year contract in 2019.

I know, this guy is so overdramatic.

[HotelVitale]

Torontos GM must be the worst GM ever. Immediately this contract becomes one of the worst day one.

Really.... This coming from a fan of a team that signed Tobias Harris to a $180 million, five year contract in 2019.

Yep I know what it feels like.Harris was absolutely a better player.

Again he made nearly twice as much of the cap as IQs new deal. If IQ signed his deal the same year Harris did, it would’ve been for about 4/100 (actually less I think).

[docholliday99]

To me this seems like an overpay. He's a decent player, but not really a proven starter. I thought his defense looked much worse as a starter, though he was as expected offensively (probably even better than most expected as a playmaker). I do expect him to prove to be a decent starter next year, but at 25 years old he's not exactly young anymore and i dont see a lot more upside.

I would've guessed closer to 25 mill than 35 TBH, and thought the Raptors probably should consider not matching above 30 mill. I guess i havent adjusted to the new CBA agreement, but 35 just seems like too much. In time though maybe it will be a fair contract.

I think Godaddycurse is 100% when he stated that IQ is closer to NY than what he showed on the Raptors. He did only play in 38 games after he was traded and to a team that was actively tanking; new team mates, coach, and players being sat all the time to lose games - and the player that sat the most after IQ came was Poeltl. When Barnes, RJ, IQ and JP actually played together, in a limited fashion, they were pretty good and I think more indicative of the future.

The Raptors had a franchise record 30 different players suit up this season, topping the previous team high of 24
set during the 1997-98 campaign. Toronto’s 30 different players in a season is third most in NBA history. The quartet
of Scottie Barnes, RJ Barrett, Jakob Poeltl and Immanuel Quickley played just 234 minutes together across 14
games. Toronto was +65 in those minutes (Raptors’ best +/- by any four-man unit) and finished 7-7 in those games.

https://www.nba.com/gamenotes/raptors.pdf

As for the contract, 25 AVV is a 5 yr contract that starts around 21, that's about 14.9% of the cap, that's way too low imho.

[nykballa2k4]

I’ve been very critical of the moves that Leon Rose has made over the past 12 months. But OG Anunoby at $42.5mm per year is a much better investment than Immanuel Quickely at $35MM per year.

Still wish we had Barrett though. Love that player.

Quite the opposite for Toronto re OG vs IQ. It was a good trade for both teams

Is it an overpay? I think so. I hope IQ plays above it though because as I said after the trade -- I really like the kid. He seems like a genuine and good person. Plays hard, makes the game look fun. Glad he has a home and a team that really believes in him.

[R-DAWG]

I’ve been very critical of the moves that Leon Rose has made over the past 12 months. But OG Anunoby at $42.5mm per year is a much better investment than Immanuel Quickely at $35MM per year.

Still wish we had Barrett though. Love that player.

Quite the opposite for Toronto re OG vs IQ. It was a good trade for both teams

Is it an overpay? I think so. I hope IQ plays above it though because as I said after the trade -- I really like the kid. He seems like a genuine and good person. Plays hard, makes the game look fun. Glad he has a home and a team that really believes in him.

That contract didn’t make sense for the Knicks with Brunson on the roster and IQ had limited trade value because of his upcoming free agency. I still wish we would have kept Barrett - and we could have really used his shot creation in the playoffs. But I’d much rather have OG on his new deal than IQ on his deal.

[nykballa2k4]

Quite the opposite for Toronto re OG vs IQ. It was a good trade for both teams

Is it an overpay? I think so. I hope IQ plays above it though because as I said after the trade -- I really like the kid. He seems like a genuine and good person. Plays hard, makes the game look fun. Glad he has a home and a team that really believes in him.

That contract didn’t make sense for the Knicks with Brunson on the roster and IQ had limited trade value because of his upcoming free agency. I still wish we would have kept Barrett - and we could have really used his shot creation in the playoffs. But I’d much rather have OG on his new deal than IQ on his deal.

We could have used anyone with a pulse. Legit almost had to do like OG tune squad and call in Bill Murray from the stands with all the injuries.

[Tripod]

Lots of guys get paid for what they have done in the past. Reputation.

And lots get paid for what they will hopefully do in the future. Upside.

IQ falls into the 2nd category and has shown there is still a bunch more he can get better at.