The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2

[KdoubleDees23]

We need Tyus Jones. He is the PG we need.

[kennydorglas]

Geez Utah wanting to trade Kessler is crazyyyy.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[bwgood77]

I'm pretty confident that in a reasonable amount of time, the people who are low key lambasting Dunn for his weaknesses will come to love this kid as a fan favorite for his great humble personality, driven nature, relentless motor and underlying elite abilities that will swing multiple games for us to wins when our offense struggles at times but he completely locks down the opposition allowing us to still come out with a win!

I believe he'll help us steal around 4-6 additional wins just by virtue of his elite suffocating defense allowing us to better maintain our leads and walk out with wins on rough nights. Ighodaro too on a slightly smaller scale with his elite passing and energy.

The 28th pick will swing 4-6 wins? lol. That ranks between Mikal Bridges and Lauri Markannen if we're talking win shares. Dunn will be exciting but people in game threads and watching almost 95% care about offense. It will be interesting, but I don't see him playing too many minutes unless it's simply by default because with Gordon, Okogie, and others leaving we just have horrible minimum guys.

I suppose he should be KD's backup but I would be cautiously optimistic.

The 28th pick will swing 4-6 wins? lol.

Sure! What's so hard to comprehend about that possibility honestly? It's not like all of our games will be wins or losses by large margins now is it. There'll clearly be plenty of wins and losses with the outcome determined by a matter of a few points!


And having an elite lockdown defensive stopper such as Dunn could easily help stop or at the very least significantly slow down the opposing teams best scorers, which in turn could very easily help us keep leads rather than giving them up so frequently.

Also there will clearly be numerous games decided by a single possession or two wherein getting key defensive stops help us win a game by simply stopping the other team from scoring and allowing us to steal games that we otherwise wouldn't have won when our shooting or offense struggles. It's really not some difficult calculus to figure out man.

Defensive stops can win games too.

Yeah! People care about offense for sure! And we've tried that one sided narrow minded approach. By the way, how did that work out for us in the postseason? And remind me how the Timberwolves became so dominant? How did they beat us? Because it sure wasn't by outscoring us consistently nor was it by destroying us from three either!

Honestly, how did the Celtics dominate the Mavs and shut down/ limit Luka and Kyrie again? Games are not won on one side of the court alone. Offense is great and fun to watch too. But to win at the highest levels you need both!!

Why would he need to play significant minutes to be impactful for us, or to swing the outcomes of games? He'll only need to limit the opposing teams top scorers, blow up offensive schemes and frustrate the opposition in specific matchups and in games when our big three or offense in general sputters. All things he can do and is already elite at! And all things that our roster severely lacks!

Okogie is a solid defender for sure. But he's nowhere near the level of being able to do what Dunn can/ will be able to do for us on that end. For example, when he was tasked with stopping or even slowing down Jamal Murray, he got cooked by Murray. Dunn can effectively guard, slow down and even possibly shut down ANT, Murray, Lebron, Harden, Morant, Kwahi, etc etc.

Lastly, why in the world would Dunn need to be Kds' backup? When we'll have other options for that and Dunn will be best served as an elite lockdown defensive SF that'll roam the passing lanes, offer strong weakside recovery rim protection, Phelps switch and lockdown the perimeter and blow up pick n roll and drop coverage plays by the opposition.

I said he could help steal/ swing 4-6 games (with his elite defensiveplay) , and I'm sticking to it man! Whether you and others can envision that or not is of no consequence to me. As I'm very confident in my assessment. Let's for sure revisit this in a number of months if you and others still have so much doubt k.

I don't have doubt that he is a solid pick at 28 and will provide great defense and will be a solid rookie that can crack the rotation which is great for a guy like that, but to place those types of expectations on him is unfair to him.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[King4Day]

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[Ghost of Kleine]

The 28th pick will swing 4-6 wins? lol. That ranks between Mikal Bridges and Lauri Markannen if we're talking win shares. Dunn will be exciting but people in game threads and watching almost 95% care about offense. It will be interesting, but I don't see him playing too many minutes unless it's simply by default because with Gordon, Okogie, and others leaving we just have horrible minimum guys.

I suppose he should be KD's backup but I would be cautiously optimistic.

The 28th pick will swing 4-6 wins? lol.

Sure! What's so hard to comprehend about that possibility honestly? It's not like all of our games will be wins or losses by large margins now is it. There'll clearly be plenty of wins and losses with the outcome determined by a matter of a few points!


And having an elite lockdown defensive stopper such as Dunn could easily help stop or at the very least significantly slow down the opposing teams best scorers, which in turn could very easily help us keep leads rather than giving them up so frequently.

Also there will clearly be numerous games decided by a single possession or two wherein getting key defensive stops help us win a game by simply stopping the other team from scoring and allowing us to steal games that we otherwise wouldn't have won when our shooting or offense struggles. It's really not some difficult calculus to figure out man.

Defensive stops can win games too.

Yeah! People care about offense for sure! And we've tried that one sided narrow minded approach. By the way, how did that work out for us in the postseason? And remind me how the Timberwolves became so dominant? How did they beat us? Because it sure wasn't by outscoring us consistently nor was it by destroying us from three either!

Honestly, how did the Celtics dominate the Mavs and shut down/ limit Luka and Kyrie again? Games are not won on one side of the court alone. Offense is great and fun to watch too. But to win at the highest levels you need both!!

Why would he need to play significant minutes to be impactful for us, or to swing the outcomes of games? He'll only need to limit the opposing teams top scorers, blow up offensive schemes and frustrate the opposition in specific matchups and in games when our big three or offense in general sputters. All things he can do and is already elite at! And all things that our roster severely lacks!

Okogie is a solid defender for sure. But he's nowhere near the level of being able to do what Dunn can/ will be able to do for us on that end. For example, when he was tasked with stopping or even slowing down Jamal Murray, he got cooked by Murray. Dunn can effectively guard, slow down and even possibly shut down ANT, Murray, Lebron, Harden, Morant, Kwahi, etc etc.

Lastly, why in the world would Dunn need to be Kds' backup? When we'll have other options for that and Dunn will be best served as an elite lockdown defensive SF that'll roam the passing lanes, offer strong weakside recovery rim protection, Phelps switch and lockdown the perimeter and blow up pick n roll and drop coverage plays by the opposition.

I said he could help steal/ swing 4-6 games (with his elite defensiveplay) , and I'm sticking to it man! Whether you and others can envision that or not is of no consequence to me. As I'm very confident in my assessment. Let's for sure revisit this in a number of months if you and others still have so much doubt k.

I don't have doubt that he is a solid pick at 28 and will provide great defense and will be a solid rookie that can crack the rotation which is great for a guy like that, but to place those types of expectations on him is unfair to him.

I actually think he'll surprise everyone sooner than later. And many will find those expectations won't be that unfair to him at all given what he's capable of, and the degree he'll end up impacting things for us.

I also believe that BOTH Dunn and Ighodaro will be viewed very favorably as fan favorites and a different iteration of the twins we had in Bridges and Johnson. Although the defensive versions. But they'll become fan favorites before the season has ended.

[dremill24]

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Looks like Dyson Daniels as well

[King4Day]

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[bwgood77]

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Man if GS gets Paul George they will be tough. It would be hard to see us top 5 or 6 unless everyone was healthy all year and other teams had health issues.

The Clippers would probably fall out though.

But you'd probably have rankings something like this:

OKC
Minnesota
Denver
Dallas
GS
Memphis
New Orleans
Houston
Sacramento

We'd probably be somewhere in that bottom 3-5 group.

Then you have the Lakers who played well against us. Who knows what the Clippers do.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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I'd still have Jones KD and Booker on the phone with Curry trying to convince him to come here on the vet min for a chance to compete for a championship. Or at least play a significant role with Booker, Beal, and KD.

We could really use his shooting prowess.to replace Gordon.

[BobbieL]

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Man if GS gets Paul George they will be tough. It would be hard to see us top 5 or 6 unless everyone was healthy all year and other teams had health issues.

The Clippers would probably fall out though.

But you'd probably have rankings something like this:

OKC
Minnesota
Denver
Dallas
GS
Memphis
New Orleans
Houston
Sacramento

We'd probably be somewhere in that bottom 3-5 group.

Then you have the Lakers who played well against us. Who knows what the Clippers do.

So is Paul doing this so he can be included in the S&T and thereby get his $30m paycheck

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[Mulhollanddrive]

Murray for 2 picks and minor pieces wow.

[lilfishi22]

Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't? I guess we'll find out more soon enough on/ after July 12th.

I hope you're right

I'm pretty confident that in a reasonable amount of time, the people who are low key lambasting Dunn for his weaknesses will come to love this kid as a fan favorite for his great humble personality, driven nature, relentless motor and underlying elite abilities that will swing multiple games for us to wins when our offense struggles at times but he completely locks down the opposition allowing us to still come out with a win!

I believe he'll help us steal around 4-6 additional wins just by virtue of his elite suffocating defense allowing us to better maintain our leads and walk out with wins on rough nights. Ighodaro too on a slightly smaller scale with his elite passing and energy.

I would say I'm almost the same level of confident but the other way. I think the offensive gap is wider than one could jump. I'd rather you be right though

[lilfishi22]

I'm pretty confident that in a reasonable amount of time, the people who are low key lambasting Dunn for his weaknesses will come to love this kid as a fan favorite for his great humble personality, driven nature, relentless motor and underlying elite abilities that will swing multiple games for us to wins when our offense struggles at times but he completely locks down the opposition allowing us to still come out with a win!

I believe he'll help us steal around 4-6 additional wins just by virtue of his elite suffocating defense allowing us to better maintain our leads and walk out with wins on rough nights. Ighodaro too on a slightly smaller scale with his elite passing and energy.

The 28th pick will swing 4-6 wins? lol. That ranks between Mikal Bridges and Lauri Markannen if we're talking win shares. Dunn will be exciting but people in game threads and watching almost 95% care about offense. It will be interesting, but I don't see him playing too many minutes unless it's simply by default because with Gordon, Okogie, and others leaving we just have horrible minimum guys.

I suppose he should be KD's backup but I would be cautiously optimistic.

The 28th pick will swing 4-6 wins? lol.

Sure! What's so hard to comprehend about that possibility honestly? It's not like all of our games will be wins or losses by large margins now is it. There'll clearly be plenty of wins and losses with the outcome determined by a matter of a few points!


And having an elite lockdown defensive stopper such as Dunn could easily help stop or at the very least significantly slow down the opposing teams best scorers, which in turn could very easily help us keep leads rather than giving them up so frequently.

Also there will clearly be numerous games decided by a single possession or two wherein getting key defensive stops help us win a game by simply stopping the other team from scoring and allowing us to steal games that we otherwise wouldn't have won when our shooting or offense struggles. It's really not some difficult calculus to figure out man.

Defensive stops can win games too.

Yeah! People care about offense for sure! And we've tried that one sided narrow minded approach. By the way, how did that work out for us in the postseason? And remind me how the Timberwolves became so dominant? How did they beat us? Because it sure wasn't by outscoring us consistently nor was it by destroying us from three either!

Honestly, how did the Celtics dominate the Mavs and shut down/ limit Luka and Kyrie again? Games are not won on one side of the court alone. Offense is great and fun to watch too. But to win at the highest levels you need both!!

Why would he need to play significant minutes to be impactful for us, or to swing the outcomes of games? He'll only need to limit the opposing teams top scorers, blow up offensive schemes and frustrate the opposition in specific matchups and in games when our big three or offense in general sputters. All things he can do and is already elite at! And all things that our roster severely lacks!

Okogie is a solid defender for sure. But he's nowhere near the level of being able to do what Dunn can/ will be able to do for us on that end. For example, when he was tasked with stopping or even slowing down Jamal Murray, he got cooked by Murray. Dunn can effectively guard, slow down and even possibly shut down ANT, Murray, Lebron, Harden, Morant, Kwahi, etc etc.

Lastly, why in the world would Dunn need to be Kds' backup? When we'll have other options for that and Dunn will be best served as an elite lockdown defensive SF that'll roam the passing lanes, offer strong weakside recovery rim protection, Phelps switch and lockdown the perimeter and blow up pick n roll and drop coverage plays by the opposition.

I said he could help steal/ swing 4-6 games (with his elite defensiveplay) , and I'm sticking to it man! Whether you and others can envision that or not is of no consequence to me. As I'm very confident in my assessment. Let's for sure revisit this in a number of months if you and others still have so much doubt k.

Gobert himself was worth 5.8 wins based on defensive win share last season when he won DPOY on a team that had the best defensive rating in the league. And that's a C who has a larger impact on defense than essentially any other position on a team.

I think you've significantly overrating a defender's impact on wins, let alone a guy who may not play more than 20mpg

[lilfishi22]

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Damn

Pels paid basically nothing. That LA pick might be something but sheesh

[bwgood77]

Gobert himself was worth 5.8 wins based on defensive win share last season when he won DPOY on a team that had the best defensive rating in the league. And that's a C who has a larger impact on defense than essentially any other position on a team.

I think you've significantly overrating a defender's impact on wins, let alone a guy who may not play more than 20mpg

Plus they had like the 3rd most wins in the league, with 56, meaning there were more wins to be distributed for WS.

[Mr Puddles]

175 mil for 5 years of Quickley. Out Grayson Allen extention is looking REALLY good in comparison to some of the contracts being handed out so far this off-Season.