are the Knicks LEGIT contenders?!

[KingofTheClay]

Can we think about this….

What happens if Tatum is thrusted onto the hospital Knicks in lieu of Brunson instead of hiding behind the Celtics 4 other all stars?


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[Sweet Serenity]

Not overall career body wise work of play he ain't
Not even convinced he is a better player then Jaylen Brown either.

Brunson I feel reached his optimal peak as a player last season, whereas The Jays still have plenty of growth and improvement left in him.

Calling him better than Tatum is absolutely laughable, especially given the post season CD/Credentials of the two players

So, Brunson peaked on a team that was 3 starters down and he was forced to play through double/triple teams every game? Brunson peaked in only his 2nd year as a full time 1st option while Tatum/Brown still have plenty of growth and improvement in them after 5 years of being the top 2 options on their team?

In 8 seasons, Jaylen Brown has never even peaked as high as Jalen Brunson. He’s not better than him. He’s in the same tier as Randle if anything. Brunson and Tatum is where the debate lies and both are top 10.

Brunson wins that debate too.

Isaiah Thomas statistically & on MVP votes was better than Curry in 2017.
Would’ve you considered Isaiah Thomas a better a basketball player than Steph Curry at the time ?

[Sweet Serenity]

Can we think about this….

What happens if Tatum is thrusted onto the hospital Knicks in lieu of Brunson instead of hiding behind the Celtics 4 other all stars?


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He takes them too the Comference Finals.

[RHODEY]

So, Brunson peaked on a team that was 3 starters down and he was forced to play through double/triple teams every game? Brunson peaked in only his 2nd year as a full time 1st option while Tatum/Brown still have plenty of growth and improvement in them after 5 years of being the top 2 options on their team?

In 8 seasons, Jaylen Brown has never even peaked as high as Jalen Brunson. He’s not better than him. He’s in the same tier as Randle if anything. Brunson and Tatum is where the debate lies and both are top 10.

Brunson wins that debate too.

Isaiah Thomas statistically & on MVP votes was better than Curry in 2017.
Would’ve you considered Isaiah Thomas a better a basketball player than Steph Curry at the time ?

I don't know, its a non sequitur comparison IMO . Jaylen Brown is a #2 option while Brunson is a number 1 option. If I believe Brunson is better than Tatum (i do) why would I even put Jaylen Brown in his stratosphere?

[Sweet Serenity]

Brunson wins that debate too.

Isaiah Thomas statistically & on MVP votes was better than Curry in 2017.
Would’ve you considered Isaiah Thomas a better a basketball player than Steph Curry at the time ?

I don't know, its a non sequitur comparison IMO . Jaylen Brown is a #2 option while Brunson is a number 1 option. If I believe Brunson is better than Tatum (i do) why would I even put Jaylen Brown in his stratosphere?

I’m not talking about Brown

[bledredwine]

I don't believe so at the moment.

Defensively they'll be great but I don't rate Bridges offense enough to think that they still don't live and die by Brunson.

My thoughts exactly.

[bronxknicksfan1]

So, Brunson peaked on a team that was 3 starters down and he was forced to play through double/triple teams every game? Brunson peaked in only his 2nd year as a full time 1st option while Tatum/Brown still have plenty of growth and improvement in them after 5 years of being the top 2 options on their team?

In 8 seasons, Jaylen Brown has never even peaked as high as Jalen Brunson. He’s not better than him. He’s in the same tier as Randle if anything. Brunson and Tatum is where the debate lies and both are top 10.

Brunson wins that debate too.

Isaiah Thomas statistically & on MVP votes was better than Curry in 2017.
Would’ve you considered Isaiah Thomas a better a basketball player than Steph Curry at the time ?

No. But Tatum was never in Curry’s stratosphere. I would’ve considered 2017 IT better than this version of Tatum.

[RHODEY]

Brunson wins that debate too.

Isaiah Thomas statistically & on MVP votes was better than Curry in 2017.
Would’ve you considered Isaiah Thomas a better a basketball player than Steph Curry at the time ?

No. But Tatum was never in Curry’s stratosphere. I would’ve considered 2017 IT better than this version of Tatum.

Agreed. 2017 IT>2024 Tatum & Brown.

[RHODEY]

Isaiah Thomas statistically & on MVP votes was better than Curry in 2017.
Would’ve you considered Isaiah Thomas a better a basketball player than Steph Curry at the time ?

I don't know, its a non sequitur comparison IMO . Jaylen Brown is a #2 option while Brunson is a number 1 option. If I believe Brunson is better than Tatum (i do) why would I even put Jaylen Brown in his stratosphere?

I’m not talking about Brown

You comparing Tatum to Curry?

[Sweet Serenity]

I don't know, its a non sequitur comparison IMO . Jaylen Brown is a #2 option while Brunson is a number 1 option. If I believe Brunson is better than Tatum (i do) why would I even put Jaylen Brown in his stratosphere?

I’m not talking about Brown

You comparing Tatum to Curry?

Cmon mate you can’t be this simple ?

I’m making the point that Thomas had a better year than Curry in 2017 even though Curry had a better career up until that point & was still regarded as the better player.

I used that as an example for the Tatum/Brunson debate. You can make a case that Brunson had a better year but one year doesn’t put him over Tatum.

[Sweet Serenity]

Brunson wins that debate too.

Isaiah Thomas statistically & on MVP votes was better than Curry in 2017.
Would’ve you considered Isaiah Thomas a better a basketball player than Steph Curry at the time ?

No. But Tatum was never in Curry’s stratosphere. I would’ve considered 2017 IT better than this version of Tatum.

IT has never been better than Tatum in his life

[mattg]

What a garbage take.

The guys has done nothing but improve every single year he’s been in the league, (and has an MIP as evidence) to the extent that he’s a 2 time All NBA player, who spearheaded the resurgence of the Knicks franchise to the best team in 20 years.

Just say you don’t know what the f*ck you’re talking about and keep it moving.

This is just objectively false. Randle had an insane regression the season immediately after winning most improved player lol. Like what are we even talking about here with this nonsense of "improved every year"?

The Knicks have elevated because brought in Thibs who has instilled an identity, and for once their FO has targeted quality role players, made a few savvy trades, and one of the best FA signings ever in Brunson. And aside from Bogdanovic trade (which was just flipped into Bridges), all the other players targeted fit Thibs vision so their coaching staff/FA is obviously in lockstep. That's what has elevated them. Randle is along for the ride.

[JKiddy]

Is there a way we can take bets that the Knicks will not win the title? Is there a way we can make this happen legit on here?

[KingofTheClay]

If the Knicks get a decent big they’re probably favorites in the East.

Jalen Brunson is the best player in a hypothetical series and he actually has multiple scorers and versatile wings to work with this time.


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[Raps in 4]

Yes. I think a healthy Knicks could have challenged the Celtics this year. And they're going to be even better going into next season. Thibs just needs to learn to load manage his players during the regular season.

[OrangeBlueSkies]

Because you were literally wrong

In two years (when role players who don't even touch OGs in talent) get 40 million/year like its nothing, because the way the salary cap will increase, OGs deal will be a steal. 40 million a season for a guy who impacts winning like OG does is market value.

Brunson/Bridges/OG/Randle/Robinson
Hart/DVo/McBride

you know you'll have a few players lining up to make minimum contracts to play on that team. Also, good luck scoring on that bunch.

Maybe.

Maybe not.

I dont see any scenario were a 3rd tier player will be getting paid 40+ Million. Expectations are that by the end of the decade the Cap COULD be around 200 million. Lets assume it makes it all the way to 200 million. It is currently 141 million for this upcoming season. (2024-25)

So lets just take a 60 mill increase over the next 5 seasons, or a flat increase of 12.5 million increase per season (which isnt how it will work) in 2 years we can just say the cap is at 166 (141 mill+12.5+12.5)

That puts OG at making around 25% of the cap. I think that many people would view that as an overpay for the

100th ranked PPG
160th ranked RPG
184th ranked apg
21st ranked spg
44th ranked ORating (starters with at least 25 games played)
Very good defender - No doubt there.
Good-great net rating

He is an ok but not great shooter
He isnt really a creator
He doest rebound great

Great man to man defender.

But I get why the Knicks needed to do it, you mortgaged the future to make this happen.

Dude, really? Quickley got 37.5 million a year bo. OG impacts winning.
Why didn’t you include win shares and stats of that nature? Did those numbers not fit your narrative or this biased picture you’re painting.

Knock off Picasso

[LakerLegend]

People really think Brunson can lead a team past these Celtics?

[cgf]

People really think Brunson can lead a team past these Celtics?

Knicks - Celtics games have been wild since Thibs took over in general, but it really depends on health...cause I do like how we match up with them with Randle - Anunoby - Bridges + Robinson / Hart / DDV around Jalen.

[NY2k1]

People really think Brunson can lead a team past these Celtics?

Yes.

Brunson was the only reason the Knicks even had a puncher's chance against the Heat in last year's playoffs to start.

[RHODEY]

I’m not talking about Brown

You comparing Tatum to Curry?

Cmon mate you can’t be this simple ?

I’m making the point that Thomas had a better year than Curry in 2017 even though Curry had a better career up until that point & was still regarded as the better player.

I used that as an example for the Tatum/Brunson debate. You can make a case that Brunson had a better year but one year doesn’t put him over Tatum.

Cmon mate..you are cheery picking Isiah Thomas 2.0 to prove Jalen Brunson is some kind of fluke. Brunson is better now and since we live in the present (not the hot tub time machine) he's better period.