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Post#1021 » by 2010 » Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:35 am

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Am i tripping or isn't that what the IR already does? I typically keep my worse players there until guys get hurt. I've also noticed other GMs don't really use it.


I know not what you speak of. We got an IR? I thought we only had an EL.


No IR. I think people are getting confused with language and terminology.

We have 15 roster spots. Sim allows 12 active players for game day. So we have three extra roster spots “IR” now already.

The EL is basically your chance to stash players. I get what people are saying but I don’t know why the EL doesn’t work in most cases?


I think the only issue folks have with the EL is they don’t want the money to count against their cap for drafted players who aren’t active on NBA rosters. They want the money back (financial flexibility) until the player is actually in the NBA.
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Post#1022 » by bishnykfan » Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:42 am

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I know not what you speak of. We got an IR? I thought we only had an EL.


No IR. I think people are getting confused with language and terminology.

We have 15 roster spots. Sim allows 12 active players for game day. So we have three extra roster spots “IR” now already.

The EL is basically your chance to stash players. I get what people are saying but I don’t know why the EL doesn’t work in most cases?


I think the only issue folks have with the EL is they don’t want the money to count against their cap for drafted players who aren’t active on NBA rosters. They want the money back (financial flexibility) until the player is actually in the NBA.


I understand that. I could get behind a team getting one salary exempt EL roster spot for a second round pick who is EL eligible. I do think it should go to each teams second round pick though so it helps the rebuilding teams more.
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Post#1023 » by KnicksGadfly » Sat Jun 29, 2024 3:08 am

Last call for anyone interested in making a deal for Brogdon. Also interested in passing off Malaki Branham and Kendrick Nunn for 2nds.
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Post#1025 » by Context » Sat Jun 29, 2024 6:06 am

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Post#1026 » by Depalma2002 » Sat Jun 29, 2024 12:12 pm

Just to clarify as it seems to have come off that my main stance was proposing getting rid of the 2nd round extensions.

I was not intending on proposing an elimination of 2nd round extensions. I was voicing my disapproval of a proposal to make 2nd rounders non-guaranteed where they can be released without risk.

Perhaps I clouded the issue by bringing up the extensions. However, that was meant only as a counter to the argument that BAF 2nd rounders have more risk than NBA 2nd rounders because NBA guys aren't guaranteed a roster spot and aren't guaranteed a contract until making the team. That is true.

However, our system already balances that increased risk by an increased reward of being able to give those 2nd rounders a very cheap extension. In the NBA, a second rounder who becomes a rotation player is only going to sign an extension commensurate with their production. They aren't extending at pennies on the dollar. They would opt for free agency if not paid for production.

I don't think we need to change the risk/reward balance of our current system.
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Post#1027 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Jun 29, 2024 12:19 pm

Context wrote:Jerico Sims-$1/1 year and his 100 FGI for free


Damn. I would do it for depth but I don't wanna spend anymore 2nd rounders :lol:
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Post#1028 » by bishnykfan » Sat Jun 29, 2024 12:49 pm

Depalma2002 wrote:Just to clarify as it seems to have come off that my main stance was proposing getting rid of the 2nd round extensions.

I was not intending on proposing an elimination of 2nd round extensions. I was voicing my disapproval of a proposal to make 2nd rounders non-guaranteed where they can be released without risk.

Perhaps I clouded the issue by bringing up the extensions. However, that was meant only as a counter to the argument that BAF 2nd rounders have more risk than NBA 2nd rounders because NBA guys aren't guaranteed a roster spot and aren't guaranteed a contract until making the team. That is true.

However, our system already balances that increased risk by an increased reward of being able to give those 2nd rounders a very cheap extension. In the NBA, a second rounder who becomes a rotation player is only going to sign an extension commensurate with their production. They aren't extending at pennies on the dollar. They would opt for free agency if not paid for production.

I don't think we need to change the risk/reward balance of our current system.


This is my take as well. I honestly think that the FA problem that we have had is what devalues second rounders more than anything. Second round contracts are in line (albeit guaranteed) to actual NBA second round picks. The problem is that teams don’t want to spend that money on unproven players when you can get a 10+ year vet in FA for $1.


Make vet minimums a thing in FA and second round pick contracts wouldn’t be an issue.
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Post#1029 » by KnicksGadfly » Sat Jun 29, 2024 12:54 pm

bishnykfan wrote:
Depalma2002 wrote:Just to clarify as it seems to have come off that my main stance was proposing getting rid of the 2nd round extensions.

I was not intending on proposing an elimination of 2nd round extensions. I was voicing my disapproval of a proposal to make 2nd rounders non-guaranteed where they can be released without risk.

Perhaps I clouded the issue by bringing up the extensions. However, that was meant only as a counter to the argument that BAF 2nd rounders have more risk than NBA 2nd rounders because NBA guys aren't guaranteed a roster spot and aren't guaranteed a contract until making the team. That is true.

However, our system already balances that increased risk by an increased reward of being able to give those 2nd rounders a very cheap extension. In the NBA, a second rounder who becomes a rotation player is only going to sign an extension commensurate with their production. They aren't extending at pennies on the dollar. They would opt for free agency if not paid for production.

I don't think we need to change the risk/reward balance of our current system.


This is my take as well. I honestly think that the FA problem that we have had is what devalues second rounders more than anything. Second round contracts are in line (albeit guaranteed) to actual NBA second round picks. The problem is that teams don’t want to spend that money on unproven players when you can get a 10+ year vet in FA for $1.


Make vet minimums a thing in FA and second round pick contracts wouldn’t be an issue.


The 10+ year vet thing for $1 isn't a problem to me, but the bigger problem is the $1/3 or $1/4 because then guys get bird rights and they can circumvent the cap. I thought that was weird, my first year here. I was chasing bigger FAs and the little ones were getting taken off the board for very little, and it made me realize that I might need to lay 50 claims in the future (sorry bish). Those $1/3 bird right guys are also insanely valuable in this league in the right space.

In real life, an agent would wait for the big fish FA to fall off the board and then engage their FAs. FAs know their tiers; they know the big fish set the market and then the guys after get paid.

Yea, if I had a proposal, I'd probably try to cut back on the $1/3 or $1/4 somehow, but I imagine that would be very unpopular with people. I'd think it would make FA more competitive too probably.
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Post#1030 » by Manhattan Project » Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:16 pm

It seems we've found a groove in BAF, over the years we've seen GM's be patient with rebuilds and we've seen some savvy GM'ing in terms of contracts/trades. Like always, BAF you get out what you put in, I know personally they're probably 15 GM's that put more work in than me. As always my answer is whatever makes life easier for Bish and I'll vote on anything if it comes to a vote.
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Post#1031 » by bringbackhoffa » Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:18 pm

Got a lot of cap space looking for win now players, can even add additional expirings to make salaries work
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Post#1032 » by Capn'O » Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:33 pm

DerrickNoah wrote:
Capn'O wrote:I'm going to submit a proposal for a no cost exempt slot for draft and stash.

Did you read my purposely before you make it official?


The issue is Bish doesn't have the flexibility with roster sizes I thought he might. The sim is restrictive in that way. See our convo a few posts up.

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Post#1033 » by HEZI » Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:44 pm

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Post#1034 » by HEZI » Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:47 pm

I might have to hit the reset button and go for Flagg. Listening to all offers
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Post#1035 » by Fat » Sat Jun 29, 2024 3:00 pm

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Post#1036 » by mpharris36 » Sat Jun 29, 2024 3:21 pm

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Post#1037 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:26 pm

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Post#1038 » by DerrickNoah » Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:35 pm

bringbackhoffa wrote:Got a lot of cap space looking for win now players, can even add additional expirings to make salaries work

Whats your current roster?
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Post#1039 » by Capn'O » Sat Jun 29, 2024 5:34 pm

bishnykfan wrote:Make vet minimums a thing in FA and second round pick contracts wouldn’t be an issue.


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Post#1040 » by TerrenceClarke » Sat Jun 29, 2024 5:52 pm

I’m personally down for vet minimums. It’s forces more shrewd cap management.
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