Woj: Dejounte Murray to Pelicans

[LoveMyRaps]

Did you post this before all the details came out?

Daniels stinks - Nwora has shown more.
Nance is more useless than Brown.

We got 3 first round picks (#19, #29, 2026 first round pick)
Hawks got 2 first round picks (2025 first round pick - which will likely be out of the lotto & 2027 first round pick)

I'd say from a value stand point, it's more or less the same.

You crazy

Defensively he's good but his offense is NON-EXISTENT.

[bballsparkin]

^^I don;t think Nance Jr is useless at all. He's a decent plug and play big. Shot the three well last season too. When I watched the Pelicans last year he looked okay.

[ForeverTFC]

^^I don;t think Nance Jr is useless at all. He's a decent plug and play big. Shot the three well last season too. When I watched the Pelicans last year he looked okay.

They can definitely use Nance but he only has 1 year left on the contract and their cap isn’t the best. They need to move either Capela or Hunter if they want to keep him past this year.

Both Daniels and Nance have a place on this team. It’s still really underwhelming.

[bballsparkin]

They can definitely use Nance but he only has 1 year left on the contract and their cap isn’t the best. They need to move either Capela or Hunter if they want to keep him past this year.

Both Daniels and Nance have a place on this team. It’s still really underwhelming.

Dejounte has a career eFG% of 50.1%. His defence has been slipping. And he doesn't fit with Trae. Nance Jr is serviceable. The Lakers 2025 pick is potentially juicy. Daniels is,...hope. And then another FRP in 2027. I think it's okay.

[C_Money]

They are trading Trae too, they are rebuilding around the #1 pick

Yeah this is the only way it makes sense. Otherwise wtf are they doing?

[OakleyDokely]

NO's got very good value here. A 27 year old player who can fill the stat, on a great contract that rivals Bridges. All they gave up were some low value assets, likely a couple mid-late 1sts and a prospect whose probably going to be a bench guard at best.

My only concern for NO's is not surrounding Zion with enough shooting. While Murray was solid from 3 last year, he's been more of a slasher, on ball creator over his career and his backcourt mate Herb doesn't shoot many 3s.

An Ingram deal is coming because they aren't paying him and all these other guys.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Last year the Bulls (9), Hawks (10), and Nets (11) finished ahead of the Raptors in the standings.

All three of those teams have made moves that make them worse next year -- maybe to a lesser extent the Bulls with the Caruso / Giddey trade. But it's interesting to see how these middling teams are all looking to take a step back

the 2025 draft man. if its as deep as they say it is with a front loaded talent to build your franchise around, then taking a step back would be highly beneficial in the short term

[Tha Cynic]

Wasn't there rumours last season that San Antonio was willing to give Atlanta their picks back for Murray? Or was that false? This is much lower than you would expect.

Personally I don't like the Murray fit on the Pelicans.

Also Atlanta is probably a Trae Young trade away from guaranteeing San Antonio a top 5 pick next year. Man San Antonio made some sneaky good deals where they assessed other teams better than those team assessed themselves - including the Raptors.

[agkagk]

I think so?

Dyson Daniels is worse than Agbaji as a prospect.
Larry Nance is worse than Olynyk
2205 LAL first is probably comparable to #19 this year - possibility to be better/worse obviously.
2027 least favorable between MIL/NOP seems comparable to the 2026 IND 1st
Edit: i completely forgot we even got Brown/Nwora as well here somehow

So for a player a lot of posters were saying is just as good as Siakam when Siakam was here, you would think the return would be better on a long-term deal that is cheap-ish.

That 2025 Lakers pick is the best asset in both deals. But in totality, I’d call this somewhat equal, if not a bit better for Pascal as we got assets back using the TPE and still need to do the Brown return.

I really think people think Dyson Daniels is good, which honestly says a lot. Because there is no way someone can make these comments and expected to be taken seriously if they’re just trolling.

Dudes here legit think any 22 year old or younger is good

Especially if the words “lottery” and “future first” are attached to them.

These people are just repeating headlines in lieu of critical thinking usually.


Ps: masai is still the next level goat.

[agkagk]

NO's got very good value here. A 27 year old player who can fill the stat, on a great contract that rivals Bridges. All they gave up were some low value assets, likely a couple mid-late 1sts and a prospect whose probably going to be a bench guard at best.

My only concern for NO's is not surrounding Zion with enough shooting. While Murray was solid from 3 last year, he's been more of a slasher, on ball creator over his career and his backcourt mate Herb doesn't shoot many 3s.

An Ingram deal is coming because they aren't paying him and all these other guys.

Theyre desperate for front court shooting to replace val.

Either lopez or jalen smith makes sense.

[agkagk]

They can definitely use Nance but he only has 1 year left on the contract and their cap isn’t the best. They need to move either Capela or Hunter if they want to keep him past this year.

Both Daniels and Nance have a place on this team. It’s still really underwhelming.

Dejounte has a career eFG% of 50.1%. His defence has been slipping. And he doesn't fit with Trae. Nance Jr is serviceable. The Lakers 2025 pick is potentially juicy. Daniels is,...hope. And then another FRP in 2027. I think it's okay.

When a players defence slips in his prime. And they arent injured its usually environment.

Siakams role changed
Wiggins was covering for klay

Murray was covering for the entire atlanta hawks management and roster lol

[WuTang_CMB]

Pelicans havent had playoff success yet but they really stockpiled their team with young assets which allowed them to do deals like this. Not a crazy price either. Ingram trade coming next

[Johnny Bball]

Pretty easy to see the Pels got the best end of this deal. And not by just a little.

[Pointgod]

Raptors trade: we received 2 bench players (Nwora is getting cut)
2 low first round picks in what’s supposedly one of the worst drafts in recent memory (yet we ended up drafting 4 players) and a first in 2 years from a team that’s going to be in the playoffs for a while. We didn’t get a single young prospect from the Pacers.

Atlanta trade: Hawks get a bench player, the Lakers pick that will probably range from late lottery to mid first round and a Bucks pick that will be a low first round. They also received Dyson Daniels who was the 8th picks and is already a great defender at 20 years old. His offense sucks but again only second year in the league and he hasn’t had a ton of minutes.

Siakam is a better player than Murray but was also on an expiring contract. It’s close but I don’t think you can definitively make the argument we got a better package for Siakam. Oh and here’s the stats to back up Daniels since a lot of people in this thread have no idea what they’re talking about.

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[bballsparkin]

When a players defence slips in his prime. And they arent injured its usually environment.

Siakams role changed
Wiggins was covering for klay

Murray was covering for the entire atlanta hawks management and roster lol

For sure a new environment will help. Playing with Trae can't help hah. The initial trade was bad with the Spurs. This is correcting a mistake. It didn't seem like Murray had a lot of suiters other than the Lakers. And the Hawks got their 2025 pick in a apparently good draft. I'ma wait and see how the Hawks look by the time the off season is over to judge them.

edit: this allows Atlanta to try to rebuild Trae's value.

edit ii: I think I like Nance Jr's game more than many. Dude is a great energy big for 20 minutes a game. The whole league wants the Hawks to do well and not give the Spurs more high picks.