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With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo

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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#241 » by And1Skip » Sat Jun 29, 2024 12:26 am

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Ya, ppl need to look at his standing reach and wingspan not how high his head is, you play with your arms. He's basically the same size as bam (over 9' standing reach and 7'2" wingspan), above average pf size or smaller C + he's a crazy athlete.
If he has the defensive capability and versatility that ppl say I like it. I saw someone saying he was defending POA at one point and can check 1-5. I think it was hoop intellect


He looks like the high shoulder/ short neck type. It will be interesting to see him stand beside some taller players.


He's got a higher standing reach than:

Filipowski
Smith
Williams
Dunn
Ighodaru
Hall
Buzelis

Even slightly higher than:

Holmes
Bona

Crazy. That length with those hops/ athleticism.......


He also has identical standing reach and wingspan as: Scottie Barnes and OG Anunoby .

So if he can develop and stay on the floor with rotation minutes, would be great to get Scottie and Mogbo switch on defence, which is what we used to dream of with Scottie and OG.
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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#242 » by Syd-TK3 » Sat Jun 29, 2024 12:57 am

Him taking no 3s is actually more encouraging then him taking a few and just being horrible

Maybe I'm being glass half full with this but could just be he genuinely never cared to do that cause it just wasnt his role and he was so good inside
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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#243 » by mtcan » Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:07 am

Syd-TK3 wrote:Him taking no 3s is actually more encouraging then him taking a few and just being horrible

Maybe I'm being glass half full with this but could just be he genuinely never cared to do that cause it just wasnt his role and he was so good inside

If Pascal could go from no 3 pointer to having at least some capability...Mogbo should be able to do the same. In fact...you can see clips of him shooting it at the combine...and the shot looks ok.

I want to see him taking some 3s at Summer League...
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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#244 » by twiggy2 » Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:13 am

Hopefully he can be like the junk yard dog. Jerome knew what he couldn't do and didn't.
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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#245 » by Syd-TK3 » Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:37 am

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Syd-TK3 wrote:Him taking no 3s is actually more encouraging then him taking a few and just being horrible

Maybe I'm being glass half full with this but could just be he genuinely never cared to do that cause it just wasnt his role and he was so good inside

If Pascal could go from no 3 pointer to having at least some capability...Mogbo should be able to do the same. In fact...you can see clips of him shooting it at the combine...and the shot looks ok.

I want to see him taking some 3s at Summer League...

Siakams first year was horrible and very hard to watch all those 3s lol but that was exactly what he needed
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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#246 » by Mark_83 » Sat Jun 29, 2024 3:16 am

Believe boys! He's eventually going to be able to spot up.

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/NivUui_gfRc
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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#247 » by Chandan » Sat Jun 29, 2024 3:45 am

Mark_83 wrote:Believe boys! He's eventually going to be able to spot up.

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/NivUui_gfRc


Those are some intense goose necks!
Also looks a lot like precious
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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#248 » by HumbleRen » Sat Jun 29, 2024 3:53 am

He’s not really a project. It’s just his shooting that has major flaws.

I know people are enamoured with Flip or Furphy’s archetype but they’re more of a project than Mogbo is.

He rebounds significantly better than those 2, he defends significantly better than those 2, he passes significantly better than those 2, he screens significantly better than those 2 and he’s also significantly more athletic than those 2.

I think he can carve out minutes for himself pretty quickly.
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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#249 » by RoteSchroder » Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:02 am

And1Skip wrote:
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He looks like the high shoulder/ short neck type. It will be interesting to see him stand beside some taller players.


He's got a higher standing reach than:

Filipowski
Smith
Williams
Dunn
Ighodaru
Hall
Buzelis

Even slightly higher than:

Holmes
Bona

Crazy. That length with those hops/ athleticism.......


He also has identical standing reach and wingspan as: Scottie Barnes and OG Anunoby .

So if he can develop and stay on the floor with rotation minutes, would be great to get Scottie and Mogbo switch on defence, which is what we used to dream of with Scottie and OG.


Mogbo seems to be good at deflections more so than shotblocking and PoA defense. He needs to be more disciplined as he can get a bit jumpy. I'd recommend that he study OG's defense.
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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#250 » by Blazing_royale » Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:38 am

I'm more excited for Mogbo than Ja'Kobe
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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#251 » by ForeverTFC » Sat Jun 29, 2024 5:56 am

So apparently he averaged >3 offensive rebounds and >3 assists. It’s pretty rare for a player to to do this. I’m excited. The shot obviously needs to come. We also need to see if he can hang with wings on defense.
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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#252 » by Duffman100 » Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:55 am

HumbleRen wrote:He’s not really a project. It’s just his shooting that has major flaws.

I know people are enamoured with Flip or Furphy’s archetype but they’re more of a project than Mogbo is.

He rebounds significantly better than those 2, he defends significantly better than those 2, he passes significantly better than those 2, he screens significantly better than those 2 and he’s also significantly more athletic than those 2.

I think he can carve out minutes for himself pretty quickly.


You can always find minutes for an offensive rebounding beast who can defend and pass the ball.

Can't teach grit and hustle, something we were lacking last year
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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#253 » by WuTang_CMB » Sat Jun 29, 2024 12:20 pm

This was a no brainer at 31. A lot of us called it. Advanced analytics + raptors type pick of high motor and length.
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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#254 » by ATLTimekeeper » Sat Jun 29, 2024 12:54 pm

HumbleRen wrote:He’s not really a project. It’s just his shooting that has major flaws.

I know people are enamoured with Flip or Furphy’s archetype but they’re more of a project than Mogbo is.

He rebounds significantly better than those 2, he defends significantly better than those 2, he passes significantly better than those 2, he screens significantly better than those 2 and he’s also significantly more athletic than those 2.

I think he can carve out minutes for himself pretty quickly.


Furphy and Flip aren't projects. They have positions and portability, and will just have to go through the development arc of adding strength. Mogbo is a project in the sense that he doesn't have a clear NBA position (Bobby is already calling him a wing), he's undersized to be a C (low body mass, short), he's not a threat to score off the bounce much outside of transition. He's a guy that you can shift up and down the line-up, but you have to consider who he's out there with more than those other two you mentioned.

Also, this team is trying to stink next year and no one needs to carve out minutes.
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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#255 » by Tha Cynic » Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:25 pm

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Raps took this dude over Kolek, Smith, and Filipowski :-?

Just gotta hope they saw something special in the workouts. It's not impossible he's gotten better working with coaches prepping for his role in the NBA.

Yikes thats a pretty bad showing against bad competition.


That had a lot of frustrating Aichuwa moments but I'll wait for him to actually play with this team instead of relying on this reel lol.

I feel like they made a couple of Bruno like picks where they are hoping to build a basketball player. At least this time they did it in the second round and you have to feel like they are confident in their player development again.
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Post#256 » by Tha Cynic » Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:38 pm

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Re: With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo 

Post#257 » by grant101 » Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:46 pm

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HumbleRen wrote:He’s not really a project. It’s just his shooting that has major flaws.

I know people are enamoured with Flip or Furphy’s archetype but they’re more of a project than Mogbo is.

He rebounds significantly better than those 2, he defends significantly better than those 2, he passes significantly better than those 2, he screens significantly better than those 2 and he’s also significantly more athletic than those 2.

I think he can carve out minutes for himself pretty quickly.


Furphy and Flip aren't projects. They have positions and portability, and will just have to go through the development arc of adding strength. Mogbo is a project in the sense that he doesn't have a clear NBA position (Bobby is already calling him a wing), he's undersized to be a C (low body mass, short), he's not a threat to score off the bounce much outside of transition. He's a guy that you can shift up and down the line-up, but you have to consider who he's out there with more than those other two you mentioned.

Also, this team is trying to stink next year and no one needs to carve out minutes.


I think it's pretty clear he's a non-shooting, mobile/strong PF with ball skills and great vision in the Bam/Draymond/Xavier Tillman/TJD/Young Thad mold. Better at certain things than some, and worse at others. I see him playing the facilitator role Darko was trying to squeeze Precious into. The only 'project' is seeing if they can help him develop a jump shot.

I like Furphy and I know others were high on Flip, but neither can defend their position. They're both very much projects on that end.
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Post#258 » by Tha Cynic » Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:47 pm

tecumseh18 wrote:Obviously an older, more mature dude. It's always fun to predict before the season who reporters are going to gravitate to to get a good quote. P-Patt became a media darling immediately after the trade, as did Fred when he started to get regular playing time. DeMar was drafted young and took years to get savvy, but then started to come up with his illustrative metaphorical stories.

Amir was obviously an extremely funny character ("First of all, that's racist." :lol: ) , but he never really showed it in his interviews. I think it frustrated the beat reporters, because we all knew Amir had it in him. He only showed his crazy side in videos - e.g. watching the Celtics game on his sofa, singing along with his slow jams on Valentine's Day. :lol:


Haha, I love how you had the same view when you saw the Grange tweet. Our media is very predictable. They also let this affect how they write about the player typically
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Post#259 » by CoinTossRoss31 » Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:01 pm

Called that his floor was 31 to the raptors. Thought late 1st rounder might've taken him too but I'm excited
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Post#260 » by ConSarnit » Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:27 pm

Syd-TK3 wrote:Him taking no 3s is actually more encouraging then him taking a few and just being horrible

Maybe I'm being glass half full with this but could just be he genuinely never cared to do that cause it just wasnt his role and he was so good inside


I was actually wondering something similar in the Shead thread. Namely, is it a bad sign for Shead that he’s a 6ft, 4 year senior who has come up in the 3pt shooting era yet he still sucks at shooting 3’s? Surely it would have been emphasized heavily (especially for his player type). Contrast that with someone like Lowry, who took very few threes in college, came out after 2 years and played when 3pt shooting was not as in vogue. All that to say: is it better to get a “blank slate” like Mogbo because there is more theoretical juice to squeeze (in theory fewer ingrained bad habits and less work put in at the lower levels?). I don’t know the answer.

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