Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - PatBev: AJJ has "bright future"

[Profound23]

Paul George and Midds are closer than both sides seem to think and I think that’s a credit to Middleton for raising his game over the years.

They're close. George is a better ball handler and defender.
Khris has shown up more for big games recently and is younger. I definitely wouldn't trade Khris for George at this stage in their careers.

[ShootingtheJ]

With rumors that the Hawks are compelling blowing it up, and dealing Trae too, the Bucks have a chance to get involved here. The Pelicans still need Lopez. Warriors still want Bobby.

Edit: we're not the team getting Trae. We'd get players like Dyson. Nance, Okongwu

[drone3]

With rumors that the Hawks are compelling blowing it up, and dealing Trae too, the Bucks have a chance to get involved here. The Pelicans still need Lopez. Warriors still want Bobby.

They are literally building around Trae

[machu46]

Someone pointed out to Frank Madden on Twitter that the CBA reads as if we can in fact aggregate salaries in a trade as long as the trade brings us below the second apron and Frank agrees, so that would seemingly put Pat + Bobby or Pat + Brook combos back on the table as long as we bring back little enough salary to finish the trade under the second apron.

[Profound23]

With rumors that the Hawks are compelling blowing it up, and dealing Trae too, the Bucks have a chance to get involved here. The Pelicans still need Lopez. Warriors still want Bobby.

Imagine a Trae/Dame backcourt.

No defense at all and two guys jacking up threes and flopping all over the place on offense. Giannis would get fed up with that.

[msiris]

Lopez for Dort
Connaughton+2031 1st for WCJ

Sign Boucher & Wright to minimums, Patbev to about 5-6m with a 2nd year player option.

WCJ/Boucher
Giannis/Portis
Middleton/Dre
Patbev/Green
Dame/Wright

Not given up a first for WCJ

[ShootingtheJ]

With rumors that the Hawks are compelling blowing it up, and dealing Trae too, the Bucks have a chance to get involved here. The Pelicans still need Lopez. Warriors still want Bobby.

They are literally building around Trae

Possibly, or they have figured out he's a loser and are moving on. That's what the rumor is.

[ShootingtheJ]

With rumors that the Hawks are compelling blowing it up, and dealing Trae too, the Bucks have a chance to get involved here. The Pelicans still need Lopez. Warriors still want Bobby.

Imagine a Trae/Dame backcourt.

No defense at all and two guys jacking up threes and flopping all over the place on offense. Giannis would get fed up with that.

Lol, were definitely not the team getting Trae

We'd be getting defenders and an athletic center.

I guess this is on me, I worded the original post poorly

[ShootingtheJ]

Someone pointed out to Frank Madden on Twitter that the CBA reads as if we can in fact aggregate salaries in a trade as long as the trade brings us below the second apron and Frank agrees, so that would seemingly put Pat + Bobby or Pat + Brook combos back on the table as long as we bring back little enough salary to finish the trade under the second apron.

I think we need to get under the 1st apron too

[Fotis St]

Horst just get at least 3 players from my signature ... most of them are cheap, good and available. I promiss you Gabriele Procida is better than the No1 pick Risacher .. He is what Pat C dreams to become. Utah has his rights.

[pifhluk23]

The sad truth is because of our limited assets and 1st/2nd apron we won't be making any big trades. If we make any moves at all it will be the leftover scraps after all the good players are traded.

[machu46]

Someone pointed out to Frank Madden on Twitter that the CBA reads as if we can in fact aggregate salaries in a trade as long as the trade brings us below the second apron and Frank agrees, so that would seemingly put Pat + Bobby or Pat + Brook combos back on the table as long as we bring back little enough salary to finish the trade under the second apron.

I think we need to get under the 1st apron too

I'm like 90% sure that is not the case. As long as you're under the 2nd apron, you're allowed to aggregate salaries. So if Frank is correct that it's where you end up after the transaction that matters, we can aggregate salaries and then take back somewhere around $6 million less (I think that's the number I've seen thrown around, but not sure) to get under the apron.

So trading Bobby + Pat = a max of roughly $16 million coming back.
Brook + Pat = a max of roughly $26 million coming back.
Trading all 3 = a max of roughly $39 million coming back.

[raferfenix]

Pelicans gotta do something at center.

Thinking about a multi-team trade of some kind with Sacramento:

One team to monitor for Ingram would be Sacramento. The Kings have been weighing paths to acquire various wings, sources said, from Kyle Kuzma to Zach LaVine, and Ingram could be another option for Sacramento to explore, sources said. The Kings have veteran wings Harrison Barnes and Kevin Huerter, whom Sacramento placed on the trade market last deadline, sources said, and their two salaries combine for almost a perfect match to meet Ingram’s $36 million expiring number for 2024-25.

https://sports.yahoo.com/brandon-ingram-expected-to-become-available-for-trade-as-wing-market-comes-into-focus-150152771.html

[ShootingtheJ]

With rumors that the Hawks are compelling blowing it up, and dealing Trae too, the Bucks have a chance to get involved here. The Pelicans still need Lopez. Warriors still want Bobby.

Edit: we're not the team getting Trae. We'd get players like Dyson. Nance, Okongwu

The Hawks deal Trae too the Spurs to get their picks back. Then complete the Murray/ Ingram Blockbuster.

Pelicans get: Murray, Lopez
Rockets get: Ingram
Warriors get: Portis, Capela
Bucks get: Okongwu, Daniels, Nance
Hawks get: Paul, Connaughton, Looney, Londale, and a mass of 1sts and 2nds from Pelicans, Rockets, Warriors.

[Frank Nova]

I’m only considering a Middleton trade to LaC for PG if they take Brook and Pat too and send back 1 of Powell/Mann and Amir Coffey. And that’s not a legal trade so I’d be completely out on anything where we’re sending LAC more value in the deal.

It’s pretty close in actuality. It’s a 16 game decision like everyone always says. Middleton has consistently been the better playoff performer over the past several years. While PG, when healthy, gives you a better body to matchup with a Jayson Tatum and Jimmy Butler and still can be a tier 3rd option offensively.

I sure as hell don’t want to be paying PG max money into his age 38/39 season 4yrs from now tho. That’s an insane amount of baggage for 1 player so if LAC isn’t sweetening the deal to our liking, they can find a different trade partner.

But just for funsies…

Milwaukee in - Paul George, Terrance Mann, Amir Coffey and Kobe Brown

LAC in - Khris Middleton, Brook Lopez, Pat Connaughton and Marjon Beauchamp.

141k salary difference.. I know, I know.

[ShootingtheJ]

Someone pointed out to Frank Madden on Twitter that the CBA reads as if we can in fact aggregate salaries in a trade as long as the trade brings us below the second apron and Frank agrees, so that would seemingly put Pat + Bobby or Pat + Brook combos back on the table as long as we bring back little enough salary to finish the trade under the second apron.

I think we need to get under the 1st apron too

I'm like 90% sure that is not the case. As long as you're under the 2nd apron, you're allowed to aggregate salaries. So if Frank is correct that it's where you end up after the transaction that matters, we can aggregate salaries and then take back somewhere around $6 million less (I think that's the number I've seen thrown around, but not sure) to get under the apron.

So trading Bobby + Pat = a max of roughly $16 million coming back.
Brook + Pat = a max of roughly $26 million coming back.
Trading all 3 = a max of roughly $39 million coming back.

I'm pretty sure aggregating salaries hard caps you at the 1st apron, or is it taking back more salary in a trade? Maybe it's the 2nd one.

[machu46]

I think we need to get under the 1st apron too

I'm like 90% sure that is not the case. As long as you're under the 2nd apron, you're allowed to aggregate salaries. So if Frank is correct that it's where you end up after the transaction that matters, we can aggregate salaries and then take back somewhere around $6 million less (I think that's the number I've seen thrown around, but not sure) to get under the apron.

So trading Bobby + Pat = a max of roughly $16 million coming back.
Brook + Pat = a max of roughly $26 million coming back.
Trading all 3 = a max of roughly $39 million coming back.

I'm pretty sure aggregating salaries hard caps you at the 1st apron, or is it taking back more salary in a trade? Maybe it's the 2nd one.

Yeah it's taking back more salary.

[ShootingtheJ]

Lopez for Dort
Connaughton+2031 1st for WCJ

Sign Boucher & Wright to minimums, Patbev to about 5-6m with a 2nd year player option.

WCJ/Boucher
Giannis/Portis
Middleton/Dre
Patbev/Green
Dame/Wright

There is someone here claiming to have firsthand info that it is going to happen.

Not exactly a guarantee. But that is certainly more than “pointless conjecture.”

Please stop...a random guy on Twitter who is obsessed with KPJ making stuff up

WTH? Please stop? Pointless conjecture? Multiple people on the board are talking about a rumor (the rumor itself is plausible but unsubstantiated) and even mods were weighing in. If you don’t like speculating or discussing possible Bucks moves this might not be the thread for you.

Yeah, the KPJ stuff explains why Horst is operating like he doesn't have a gigantic whole in the backcourt.

If Horst had that ace, scratch that, that wildcard up his sleeve, the rest of the offseason makes more sense.

[JayMKE]

Doesn’t seem to be based on anything besides Porter playing Greece and Giannis & whoever being over there at the same time. Not crossing threshold into real rumor.

[machu46]

Doesn’t seem to be based on anything besides Porter playing Greece and Giannis & whoever being over there at the same time. Not crossing threshold into real rumor.

It's obviously a questionable source but the guy specifically said we worked him out and are planning to sign him. The Greece part was just people speculating how we could have worked him out without media people being aware.

I am definitely taking it with a heaping of salt though.