Fake Trade Thread #6

MasterIchiro · Post #501 » by **MasterIchiro** » Fri Jun 28, 2024 10:40 am

JMAC3 wrote:I think Cam Johnson is worth more than we are saying in this thread. I think they could have easily gotten a mid first yesterday if they wanted.

I would assume he is costing at least a lottery protected first, if not more.

Would you surrender 2 firsts, with one being Miami and the other Dallas? And would you include one of Mann/NSJ if they insisted on their choice?

JMAC3 · Post #502 » by **JMAC3** » Fri Jun 28, 2024 6:28 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:I think Cam Johnson is worth more than we are saying in this thread. I think they could have easily gotten a mid first yesterday if they wanted.

I would assume he is costing at least a lottery protected first, if not more.

Would you surrender 2 firsts, with one being Miami and the other Dallas? And would you include one of Mann/NSJ if they insisted on their choice?

Meh, I think Cam is a fine player, but not really sure he fits in and if I am trading 2 firsts potentially I want him to fit. He plays mostly the 4, where we have Miles, Grant and Salaun now.

I would rather just hold the picks and wait for a better player/fit to pop up.

LofJ · Post #503 » by **LofJ** » Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:26 pm

Rumors are heating up that the Jazz are going to trade Markkanen. I wonder how far off a sign and trade of Miles, MIA 1st, DAL 1st, and our 27 1st would be?

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MPM · Post #504 » by **MPM** » Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:49 pm

LofJ wrote:Rumors are heating up that the Jazz are going to trade Markkanen. I wonder how far off a sign and trade of Miles, MIA 1st, DAL 1st, and our 27 1st would be?

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Can't imagine the Jazz would relish the idea of bringing Miles to town but if they were game and willing to do this deal, I'd do it.

SWedd523 · Post #505 » by **SWedd523** » Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:00 pm

A Markki-Mark pairing would be damn near ideal

I'm not getting my hopes up

LofJ · Post #506 » by **LofJ** » Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:28 pm

MPM wrote:
LofJ wrote:Rumors are heating up that the Jazz are going to trade Markkanen. I wonder how far off a sign and trade of Miles, MIA 1st, DAL 1st, and our 27 1st would be?

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Can't imagine the Jazz would relish the idea of bringing Miles to town but if they were game and willing to do this deal, I'd do it.

The Jazz were actually one of the teams that were rumored to want Miles at the deadline. I think there are several factors that could help us get something done: 1) Ainge undoubtedly wants to tank for Flagg, 2) We've shown interest in him before, if we had a 1st to trade 3 years ago he would have been playing here instead of Cleveland, 3) Trading for him solves the Miles problem, 4) I highly doubt the Jazz want Lauri playing them in the Western conference, and 5) He's a fantastic fit for this roster.

I imagine new ownership will be hesitant to make an aggressive move like this if they're uncertain about LaMelo and Mark, but if not I think we'd be foolish to not make them a strong offer.

Post #507 » by **luciano-davidwesley** » Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:29 pm

Markkanen is another guy who isn't good enough to justify betting the farm on, but some silly team will.

MPM · Post #508 » by **MPM** » Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:41 pm

I know no one here is high on Hunter and Capela but ATL seems SOL on any meaningful return in trade. Wonder if Capela could be had for scraps to bolster our 5 spot. Backs up Mark unless Mark's back acts up.

LofJ · Post #509 » by **LofJ** » Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:42 pm

luciano-davidwesley wrote:Markkanen is another guy who isn't good enough to justify betting the farm on, but some silly team will.

On some teams maybe, but on this one? He, LaMelo, and Miller would bury teams from 3. Add Mark, Tidjane, and a few more smart defensive role players and this would easily be the best Hornets team since the 90's.

JustBuzzin · Post #510 » by **JustBuzzin** » Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:54 pm

luciano-davidwesley wrote:Markkanen is another guy who isn't good enough to justify betting the farm on, but some silly team will.

Yeah not what we need right now. He's good don't get me wrong, but we aren't making any real noise in the East by trading for him.

He's a missing piece type of player, we obviously are more than a piece away.

Post #511 » by **JDR720** » Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:56 pm

He misses too many games. He's played more than 60 games only 3 seasons in his career. Including his career high 68 his rookie year.

Hornet Mania · Post #512 » by **Hornet Mania** » Sat Jun 29, 2024 3:03 pm

I like Lauri, but the proposed price of Miles + 3 1sts is too high.

I know that is basically the going rate for borderline all-stars these days, but I also think modern GMs have sorta gone insane and are undervaluing future picks. Lauri is an UFA next summer iirc, so he's due for a massive payday. Are we prepared to pay him $200m over five years?

JMAC3 · Post #513 » by **JMAC3** » Sat Jun 29, 2024 3:51 pm

Lauri is probably going for way more than you expect. He is the #1 realistic target right now.

Utah has a billion firsts.
6 extra firsts (basically all unprotected).
Plus, all but 1 of their own.

If they are moving him it will be for a haul similar to what they got for Gobert or Mitchell because Ainge isn't in need of random picks.

They are probably turning down deals of 3-4 firsts for him pretty easily right now.
I expect them to want young players who are good and multiple firsts.

Bassman · Post #514 » by **Bassman** » Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:08 pm

As others have said, Markkanen would be a perfect fit here, and an upgrade over Miles. A S&T would require us to bring back another $$$ player they don’t want, probably include one of our young cheap prospects, and picks. Gotta give up to get.

For those reasons, Peterson won’t touch this with even a phone call. I just don’t have confidence right now that he’d pivot to such an opportunity, even as good as it may be. Too much risk for someone in their first year, who has talked about development and drafted a youngster. Maybe they’d be more bold if they were convinced Mark and Melo were strong, healthy and dependable for a full season.

MasterIchiro · Post #515 » by **MasterIchiro** » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:06 pm

JMAC3 wrote:Lauri is probably going for way more than you expect. He is the #1 realistic target right now.

Utah has a billion firsts.
6 extra firsts (basically all unprotected).
Plus, all but 1 of their own.

If they are moving him it will be for a haul similar to what they got for Gobert or Mitchell because Ainge isn't in need of random picks.

They are probably turning down deals of 3-4 firsts for him pretty easily right now.
I expect them to want young players who are good and multiple firsts.

What if Ainge is obsessed with Saluan?

Would that help our prospects?

GoBobs · Post #516 » by **GoBobs** » Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:37 pm

When we drafted LaMelo we had PJ and Miles already in place. Since then we traded away PJ for future picks in 2027.

We drafted Kai, Bouk and Thor the next year trying to find the next Gannis and predictably all of them were busts.

The next year we drafted Mark and then traded our other first for a 2nd the next year.

Then we got lucky with Miller.

Now we have tried to get the next Gannis again and are giving LaMelo a complete bonehead who has no idea to play basketball and is only 18.

In the time since we added LaMelo we have signed no other decent free agents. We also traded Rozier for future pick and gordo for prospects.

We signed a retread terrible coach after WE DECIDED to hire ratkinson and he backed out.

It has been a total ****. If LaMelo asked to be traded I wouldn't blame him.

JustBuzzin · Post #517 » by **JustBuzzin** » Sun Jun 30, 2024 12:05 am

Are you seriously defending Melo for wanting out?

Cmon Bobs the dude can't even stay healthy. He's not thinking about demanding a trade. All this noise about Melo being unhappy is just weird. Kid is smiling having fun with his teammates. When has it actually looked like he was unhappy in Charlotte?

GoBobs · Post #518 » by **GoBobs** » Sun Jun 30, 2024 12:27 am

JustBuzzin wrote:Are you seriously defending Melo for wanting out?

Cmon Bobs the dude can't even stay healthy. He's not thinking about demanding a trade. All this noise about Melo being unhappy is just weird. Kid is smiling having fun with his teammates. When has it actually looked like he was unhappy in Charlotte?

He doesn't want out as far as I know. Wouldn't blame him if he did though.

We have been a terrible franchise for 20 years and it doesn't look like anything is changing. We are doing the same dumb stuff.

Liver_Pooty · Post #519 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sun Jun 30, 2024 12:30 am

GoBobs wrote:When we drafted LaMelo we had PJ and Miles already in place. Since then we traded away PJ for future picks in 2027.

We drafted Kai, Bouk and Thor the next year trying to find the next Gannis and predictably all of them were busts.

The next year we drafted Mark and then traded our other first for a 2nd the next year.

Then we got lucky with Miller.

Now we have tried to get the next Gannis again and are giving LaMelo a complete bonehead who has no idea to play basketball and is only 18.

In the time since we added LaMelo we have signed no other decent free agents. We also traded Rozier for future pick and gordo for prospects.

We signed a retread terrible coach after WE DECIDED to hire ratkinson and he backed out.

It has been a total ****. If LaMelo asked to be traded I wouldn't blame him.

Lamelo is making 50 million a year soon and off the top of my head he's played like 50 games the last 2 years. Even his cocky arrogant ass wouldn't ask out at this point.

JustBuzzin · Post #520 » by **JustBuzzin** » Sun Jun 30, 2024 12:31 am

GoBobs wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:Are you seriously defending Melo for wanting out?

Cmon Bobs the dude can't even stay healthy. He's not thinking about demanding a trade. All this noise about Melo being unhappy is just weird. Kid is smiling having fun with his teammates. When has it actually looked like he was unhappy in Charlotte?

He doesn't want out as far as I know. Wouldn't blame him if he did though.

We have been a terrible franchise for 20 years and it doesn't look like anything is changing. We are doing the same dumb stuff.

You still mad we didn't draft Edey huh?