Randle's Future

[Montmorencie]

He's got a good value so keep him for now. Best case scenario, Giannis, Ant, Luka or some other superstar requests a trade and we can use them, worst case scenario - he is a solid all nba player.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

You have to see how he plays in the playoffs, extending him without any idea of what he can do in them is just not wise.

[spree8]

You have to see how he plays in the playoffs, extending him without any idea of what he can do in them is just not wise.

I don’t wanna go thru the same thing we did with OG and now iHart with Randle next summer. He’s gunna get paid regardless, even if it doesn’t work out for whatever reason, I’d rather have him as a trade chip than not, especially with not having many assets remaining.

If he signs a team-friendly deal like he did in 2021 and how Jalen is rumored to now, I think it’s smarter to get it over with than risk the alternative. There’s risk either way, but I think this way is the lesser of the two.

[gavran]

Can you trade hime for someone better? Can you let him go and sign someone better? Will you ever sex Mutombo? If any of your answers is yes, then get me a beer.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

You have to see how he plays in the playoffs, extending him without any idea of what he can do in them is just not wise.

I don’t wanna go thru the same thing we did with OG and now iHart with Randle next summer. He’s gunna get paid regardless, even if it doesn’t work out for whatever reason, I’d rather have him as a trade chip than not, especially with not having many assets remaining.

If he signs a team-friendly deal like he did in 2021 and how Jalen is rumored to now, I think it’s smarter to get it over with than risk the alternative. There’s risk either way, but I think this way is the lesser of the two.

He'll be making $40 mill per and will be over 30, another bad playoff run and he's not going to be easily movable especially not under the new CBA. Brunson is due an extension as well, we're clearly going to be a 2nd apron team when these guys all get extended and moving someone that may not be a playoff performer will not be as easy as it used to be.


We're in an area of huge risk now.

[3toheadmelo]

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[sol537]

Iguadala as a #1 or #2 in Philly didn’t work out… but once he became the #4 or #5 guy on GSW, he excelled in a more focused veteran role. Maybe surrounding Randle with so much talent will help him focus on what he does best. I’m hopeful. He really is a handful and even a team like Boston has trouble with him.

[3toheadmelo]

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[jvsimonetti0514]

Does he have a players option next season? Not sure we have to make a decision on this right now. Probably can play the season out and decide from there. Like to see what he’s like healthy in the playoffs.

[sol537]

I’m hopeful both Randle and Brunson take team friendly extensions so we can run this back for a good 4-5 years before we have to pivot again. You have to be in it to win it so as many cracks at the Finals and ECF as we can have, the better…

[Jeffrey]

Can someone tell me how I can get a 22/10 guy that is willing to be a Robin for 28m? Whoever you get for Randle, it's either another role player or a superstar that will most likely breakup this current group.

If we get iHart back... we're running it back + Mikal Bridges.

[WaltFrazier]

I really liked the video in the thread about how Julius creates open threes by getting in the paint with double teams then kicking out. He'll be that much better now with OG and Mikal and a great team around him. Gotta give him this year and see what happens.

[Clyde_Style]

I move on from Randle if a trade that can help the team in any way arises - even if the player is "less" than Randle, a la acquiring Bridges for fit instead of shoehorning an established star. I fully agree with those that point out the upside of him having All-NBA production alongside the talent and winning that has been assembled by Leon. He's proven that he can do that for sure. I just don't fully trust him as a cornerstone based on what I've seen from Julius in his time here from the standpoint of consistency, efficiency, availability, and most importantly reliability.

The man has given us some great highs as a Knick - he has put in the work. But he's also shown some terrifying lows. When the going gets tough I still have major questions about if he can keep his cool, hit the free throws, stay committed to the team concept, not sink the ship, etc.

Unlike Randle himself, I trust this FO based on what they've shown, so if they so re-up then I'm riding with it...but his next contract is going to be pretty significant and in this moment I'm personally dubious about getting locked into that level of commitment with the Julius I've seen in the 5 years he's been in NY.

This is the closest to how I feel.

If the right deal for another player that fits our needs and mindset arises, then you can trade him. Otherwise, see how he handles finally being on a true contender where he needs to play well with others.

The need to replace his point production is simply not an issue any longer. We have a team full of guys capable of giving us 20+ on any given night. Some guys will average well below that, but be the hot hand when needed. I like that kind of squad. It is going to be rare that we don't have someone hitting their shots.

It comes down to two things I think: FO/Thibs vision for this roster and Randle's maturity.

Is the vision having a PF playing bully ball or not?

Or do they want a stretch big?

Does this FO believe Randle can re-engage on defense or is he going to continue coasting on that end of the floor?

Do the Knicks trust Randle to be past his emotional polarities that tend to define whole seasons for him when we find out if we are going to get good Randle or sad and angry Randle?

Finally, do the Knicks believe Randle is built for the playoffs or not? It doesn't matter what we think, because I'm not going to re-litigate that issue. It simply is a question mark and we don't know if they truly believe Randle will keep his composure and be productive when the going gets tough.

They extended Randle long before the current roster existed. He was still the man. Now he's just a piece of the puzzle. The priorities will be different now as they decide is they want to keep him as a part of their plan to stay in contention for the next four years.

It could work with Randle, but it could certainly work with other guys too.

[Clyde_Style]

You have to see how he plays in the playoffs, extending him without any idea of what he can do in them is just not wise.

I don’t wanna go thru the same thing we did with OG and now iHart with Randle next summer. He’s gunna get paid regardless, even if it doesn’t work out for whatever reason, I’d rather have him as a trade chip than not, especially with not having many assets remaining.

If he signs a team-friendly deal like he did in 2021 and how Jalen is rumored to now, I think it’s smarter to get it over with than risk the alternative. There’s risk either way, but I think this way is the lesser of the two.

He'll be making $40 mill per and will be over 30, another bad playoff run and he's not going to be easily movable especially not under the new CBA. Brunson is due an extension as well, we're clearly going to be a 2nd apron team when these guys all get extended and moving someone that may not be a playoff performer will not be as easy as it used to be.


We're in an area of huge risk now.

No matter what anyone says, there is still considerable risk involved if Randle flames out in his third playoff appearance as a Knick. He'd become completely untradeable at that point and one thing I think this FO office may value as much is having players under contract who do have a market in case they ever need to pivot and make a deal.

[Clyde_Style]

Barring an off-season trade, I would not be surprised if they let Randle audition for an extension before deciding on whether to keep him long-term or trade him during the season.

Randle is a trading chip right now if needed and he will be under evaluation should they hold off on trading him this Summer.

[kNicksGmen]

extend him now. no reason to even consider trading him before next offseason anyways.

randle will be a beast for this team. biggest concern i have is will Thibs finally get on him when he is being lazy on defense etc. i love randle but some of his "defenders" will say crap like "well he shoulders such a load on offense and rebounding, maybe thibs is ok with him not giving his all on defense" - which was always nonsense - but even moreso now that he won't need to be as heavily relied upon. also if randle is having a rough game thibs should be comfortable "benching" him to close games when it makes sense. in the past at times randle would be having a real bad game and in the 4th our bench would get us back in the game - then thibs would inevitable bring back randle who would continue to stink and lose us the game. Same goes for pretty much everyone other than brunson - close the game with the 5 that are playing the best.

it's all about optionality and we have that now. we can play OG at the 4 or even hart etc.

[bronxknicksfan1]

Randle looked great back in that January run once we traded for OG and was given the keys along with Jalen to run the team. With the addition of Bridges, that’s the FO investing even more in Jalen and Julius imo. With all that spacing in the lineup, I expect Julius to feast in the paint.

[Fury]

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He’s going to have an insane year with the pieces we have now. Just gotta keep Hartenstein.

[Big Chan]

Randle
Mitch

For

Jaren Jackson Jr
Brandon Clarke
Maybe a first?

Expand the Mikel trade to include this and we are good to go

[TrueWarrior]

extend him now. no reason to even consider trading him before next offseason anyways.

randle will be a beast for this team. biggest concern i have is will Thibs finally get on him when he is being lazy on defense etc. i love randle but some of his "defenders" will say crap like "well he shoulders such a load on offense and rebounding, maybe thibs is ok with him not giving his all on defense" - which was always nonsense - but even moreso now that he won't need to be as heavily relied upon. also if randle is having a rough game thibs should be comfortable "benching" him to close games when it makes sense. in the past at times randle would be having a real bad game and in the 4th our bench would get us back in the game - then thibs would inevitable bring back randle who would continue to stink and lose us the game. Same goes for pretty much everyone other than brunson - close the game with the 5 that are playing the best.

it's all about optionality and we have that now. we can play OG at the 4 or even hart etc.

If Julius is slacking off and not fitting in we can comfortably bench him now.

Jalen
Donte or Deuce
Mikal
OG
Isaiah or Mitch

or go small with

Jalen
Donte or Deuce
Mikal
Josh
OG

Getting Mikal and OG, along with improved Donte and Deuce, should theoretically light a fire under Julius, and take pressure off him offensively to be able to focus more on defense and the little things. I want the hustle he displayed in 2021 again, when he was coincidentally playing for an extension too. If he doesn’t get with the program, then he’ll be moved.

Jalen may be the only player averaging over 20 ppg with us next season, so I hope everyone else is okay with reduced roles as long as we’re winning. We simply dont need Julius to score like that anymore.