Gary Trent Decision

[OAKLEY_2]

How is that weird when we hear people talk about the Vasquez trade until today? It's ok to admit that the Norm trade never paid off lol

Actually, to be fair, it never paid off for either team.
Both teams lost because both players weren't as good. At least we got more years in GTJ than PDX did.

Even if you want to take that view, Portland still got something for Norm through trade while we're about to let Trent walk for nothing.

It was a bad trade considering Norm wanted to spend his entire career here, was loved by most and has just been a better player overall flatout.

...a trade that sent Eric Bledsoe, Justise Winslow, Keon Johnson and a 2025 second-round draft pick to Portland!!!

If Masai got that for Gary we'd say: bbbut why? Those are depressed assets to say the least. Then that is on our payroll. Not worth the phone call.

[bluerap23]

How is that weird when we hear people talk about the Vasquez trade until today? It's ok to admit that the Norm trade never paid off lol

Actually, to be fair, it never paid off for either team.
Both teams lost because both players weren't as good. At least we got more years in GTJ than PDX did.

Even if you want to take that view, Portland still got something for Norm through trade while we're about to let Trent walk for nothing.

It was a bad trade considering Norm wanted to spend his entire career here, was loved by most and has just been a better player overall flatout.

Portland got Eric Bledsoe, Justice Winslow and Keon Johnson for Norm AND Covington. That is an absolutely AWFUL return. I'd say the Norm for GTJ was an L for the Raps, but nowhere near as bad as the Portland LAC trade.

[Tor_Raps]

Actually, to be fair, it never paid off for either team.
Both teams lost because both players weren't as good. At least we got more years in GTJ than PDX did.

Even if you want to take that view, Portland still got something for Norm through trade while we're about to let Trent walk for nothing.

It was a bad trade considering Norm wanted to spend his entire career here, was loved by most and has just been a better player overall flatout.

Imo it was better we traded him. He would've possibly been paid more (knowing Masai) and fans would have turned on him. Most people complain about treadmilling. Right? That would have been the epitome of a treadmill move.

Or worse he could have signed with someone else.

Ya it would have made sense if we went into a rebuild but the team literally traded for Thad Young a few months later. I'm not even sure why we're arguing here... the Trent for Norm trade was bad. Let's acknowledge it and move on lol.

[Tor_Raps]

Actually, to be fair, it never paid off for either team.
Both teams lost because both players weren't as good. At least we got more years in GTJ than PDX did.

Even if you want to take that view, Portland still got something for Norm through trade while we're about to let Trent walk for nothing.

It was a bad trade considering Norm wanted to spend his entire career here, was loved by most and has just been a better player overall flatout.

...a trade that sent Eric Bledsoe, Justise Winslow, Keon Johnson and a 2025 second-round draft pick to Portland!!!

If Masai got that for Gary we'd say: bbbut why? Those are depressed assets to say the least. Then that is on our payroll. Not worth the phone call.

Ya a bad deal from Portland shouldn't make Masai feel better about losing the original trade.

Like what are we even arguing here... You think the Trent for Norm trade was good for us? Norm has been the better player than Trent the entire time and still is going forward on this date.

[Tor_Raps]

Actually, to be fair, it never paid off for either team.
Both teams lost because both players weren't as good. At least we got more years in GTJ than PDX did.

Even if you want to take that view, Portland still got something for Norm through trade while we're about to let Trent walk for nothing.

It was a bad trade considering Norm wanted to spend his entire career here, was loved by most and has just been a better player overall flatout.

Portland got Eric Bledsoe, Justice Winslow and Keon Johnson for Norm AND Covington. That is an absolutely AWFUL return. I'd say the Norm for GTJ was an L for the Raps, but nowhere near as bad as the Portland LAC trade.

Agreed, I don't really judge Portland's stupidness as a W for us. All i said was that it's ok to acknowledge the Trent for Norm trade was an L for us. That's all lol.

[2019nbachamps]

We lost the Norm trade but it wouldn’t change our fortunes

[ciueli]

Weird pov

How is that weird when we hear people talk about the Vasquez trade until today? It's ok to admit that the Norm trade never paid off lol

Actually, to be fair, it never paid off for either team.
Both teams lost because both players weren't as good. At least we got more years in GTJ than PDX did.

And getting more years of Gary Trent Jr. was a good thing? We invested time and resources in him, everyone was convinced he would grow into his contract and he didn't, we had 3 years of him being worse than Norm and it seems unlikely he'll get more than the MLE in free agency now. Meanwhile, Norm just came off a season where he was 4th in voting for 6th man of the year and shot 43.5% from 3 in spite of fighting for minutes with Paul George, James Harden, Terrence Mann, and Russell Westbrook, he would have been a clear starter on the Raptors if we'd kept him, without question.

Edit: Moreover Norm made a big mistake that cost Lillard and Blazers advancing to second round.

I had to dig into the records to see what you meant this, what I found was:
- The Blazers lost in 6 to the Nuggets in 2020-2021, and it wasn't exactly a razor thin margin of victory.
- Norm put up very good numbers in that series, 17PPG on 60.8% True Shooting.
- The major player on the Blazers who didn't play well was CJ McCollum, 21.7PPG on only 51.8% True Shooting by far the worst of any of their heavy minute players.
- The bigger reason for the series loss was how undersized the Blazers were compared to the Nuggets, they had to deal with Jokic and Porter Jr. while the only real big they played in the series was Jusuf Nurkic. It's not surprising that series didn't end well for them, they just didn't have the size to compete with the Nuggets, they were even starting a just turned 37 year old Carmelo Anthony at PF.

[Tripod]

My God some people need to move on.

We traded Norm for a young guy with upside and he didn't improve. He was still a rotational player.

Move on

[mihaic]

My God some people need to move on.

We traded Norm for a young guy with upside and he didn't improve. He was still a rotational player.

Move on

Some people are unhappy no matter what.

Damn if you do, damn if you don't

[mihaic]

We lost the Norm trade but it wouldn’t change our fortunes

Did the Blazers win it?

Edit: my point is it's gone bad for both.
Without hindsight I am ok with the trade because we got a younger player who shoots well.

[youngRAPZ]

Same people complaining about norm are the same people who would be complaining that he doesn’t fit Scottie time line and why would we re sign him the same as Trent. Lol I’m convinced these guys just love complaining for the sake of complaining.

[OAKLEY_2]

Even if you want to take that view, Portland still got something for Norm through trade while we're about to let Trent walk for nothing.

It was a bad trade considering Norm wanted to spend his entire career here, was loved by most and has just been a better player overall flatout.

...a trade that sent Eric Bledsoe, Justise Winslow, Keon Johnson and a 2025 second-round draft pick to Portland!!!

If Masai got that for Gary we'd say: bbbut why? Those are depressed assets to say the least. Then that is on our payroll. Not worth the phone call.

Ya a bad deal from Portland shouldn't make Masai feel better about losing the original trade.

Like what are we even arguing here... You think the Trent for Norm trade was good for us? Norm has been the better player than Trent the entire time and still is going forward on this date.

It is a look over the shoulder. Look ahead. So assets are not worth paying. That puts team in a predicament trade for mediocre asset or clear the deck. I am not mining critique of that trade as they didn't want to "pay" Norm. We got a 4 year rental of Gary. Why quibble?

[WaltFrazier]

How is that weird when we hear people talk about the Vasquez trade until today? It's ok to admit that the Norm trade never paid off lol

Actually, to be fair, it never paid off for either team.
Both teams lost because both players weren't as good. At least we got more years in GTJ than PDX did.

Even if you want to take that view, Portland still got something for Norm through trade while we're about to let Trent walk for nothing.

It was a bad trade considering Norm wanted to spend his entire career here, was loved by most and has just been a better player overall flatout.

Last paragraph says it all

[GoRapstheoriginal]

When's the actual official deadline for this?

[planetmars]

When's the actual official deadline for this?

He's a UFA. And free agency begins June 30th (6pm). So he can sign anywhere then.

But if he wants to be a Raptor, the Raptors have to clear enough cap to be able to resign him without going over the tax. That will have to wait for a Bruce Brown and/or Chris Boucher trade.

The chances we get under the tax enough to give him a reasonable contract is likely slim though as any Bruce trade will likely also bring back a contract (same with a potential Boucher trade). So he's most likely no longer a Raptor at this point.

[GoRapstheoriginal]

When's the actual official deadline for this?

He's a UFA. And free agency begins June 30th (6pm). So he can sign anywhere then.

But if he wants to be a Raptor, the Raptors have to clear enough cap to be able to resign him without going over the tax. That will have to wait for a Bruce Brown and/or Chris Boucher trade.

The chances we get under the tax enough to give him a reasonable contract is likely slim though as any Bruce trade will likely also bring back a contract (same with a potential Boucher trade). So he's most likely no longer a Raptor at this point.

Thank you sir, your a scholar & a gentleman/person!

[TimeForChange]

Gary to LA for the full MLE

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[Duffman100]

Portland got keon and a 2nd.
Clippers haven't won anything.

We took a shot at adding a young shooter who fit Scottie's timeline. Didn't work out.

Should we not try that type of move again?

[nestea]

Love him or hate him he gives you 20 a night. There's only so many players can do that.

That isn't as rare as it use to be. You could have Dick do that next season with enough volume.

Highly unlikely

[Thaddy]

Love him or hate him he gives you 20 a night. There's only so many players can do that.

That isn't as rare as it use to be. You could have Dick do that next season with enough volume.

Highly unlikely

You should also consider the influx of 20 PPG scorers now compared to 10 or even 5 years ago. It's not longer a special skill that's hard to find.

Sure, maybe not next season but in the coming years you have to expect GD and JKW will be better than GTJ. If you factor in GD's feel for the game and understanding of ball movement or JKW's POA defense they are already better players than GTJ.