Randle's Future

[Context]

Knicks not including Randle in the trade for Mikal pretty much shows they believe in him being Brunson's running mate. So expect him to be here for another year at the very least.

Also the guy wants to bring a chip here more than anyone on this team. Knick for life.

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I like what I saw there...That looked like a man who will do whatever it takes for us to win this season.
Thanks Mel for posting this- would have never known about it if you didnt...I'll watch the entire interview...

[blumatic]

I haven't posted here in years. But I'm always lurking. This board is very entertaining. Here is my 2 cents with Julius:

We play better with Julius. His role if not anything else is too share the scoring load with Brunson for a long NBA season and playoff fun.

And consider this: the in-season tournament is a playoff like atmosphere. While team success varies between the tourney and the playoffs, individual performances have been consistent between the two all across the league. In the tourney game vs the Bucks, Julius put 41 on Giannis. Bullied him. Julius was in the paint heavy. He jump shot was hitting. Every offensive move he made had a purpose.

Defensively the whole team struggled. Which I believed lead to the OG trade.

We're going to find out in the cup tourney what he's made of. I believe in him. Out of all the talent we have, he is our only power forward that can score. He's very important.

[robillionaire]

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[JayTWill]

I was really hoping to see how Randle would perform this post-season but unfortunately he was injured. I'm glad he didn't try to play through the injury because I doubt he would have been effective with his style of play and a compromised shoulder. He and Thibs have played a key role in turning the organization around but there have been some ups and downs along the way and they have not just been in the playoffs.

Personally I was ready to move on from Julius this off-season because I was not willing to risk him having another poor playoff performance and then having to decide to either re-sign him or let him walk. I'm not sure if a sign and trade would be an option with the new CBA's restrictions since you wouldn't be able to go over the second apron. Randle on a big contract from 31 to 34 still scares me.

I like having him as a second option behind Brunson especially in Thibs system that is heavily dependent on ball creation abilities but his performance and poise under pressure still need improvement when conditions are not ideal whether it is the post season or regular season. Sometimes I wonder what would have happened last season if Brunson went down instead of Randle and how he would have reacted.

But even if we did try to move Randle at this point I don't think we have enough assets for a true upgrade after that Mikal trade. Randle's expiring plus a few protected picks and some swaps don't feel like enough to attract much but maybe Randle on the last year of his deal coming off of an injury has more value around the league than I believe.

So I guess I would stick with Randle unless someone can find an upgrade or better fit. I have no idea if much would be available for what we have left to offer for now unless we would be willing to add someone like Mikal or OG to a trade.

[Moose]

I started this thread, but after thinking it over, I think the thing to do is extend him before Aug 3, if he agrees.

We will be hard capped with or without Randle.

I'm not his biggest fan, historically, and he hasn't performed in the playoffs, but I don't see a better path to help this team win a title in the next 1-5 years.

We have more picks we can trade, but this is essentially the team we're going to go with and I think it's one that has a chance to win a championship.

[3toheadmelo]

just a reminder, randle did this on one ankle against the heat in the playoffs. he had a couple good games in that series. i think he was starting to figure out how to overcome his struggles in the post season.

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[kNicksGmen]

not sure what teams have cap space next year - but if we don't extend him we run the risk of losing him for nothing (other than salary cap relief)

[Ray Williams]

If we lose IHart, I’d rather we use Julius as the backup 5. Thibs isn’t going with a long rotation and with an 8 man rotation, we can spread out the minutes with everyone putting in 32 minutes with the exception of Deuce.
C- Mitch 32 Julius 16
PF- Julius 16 JHart 32
SF-OG 32 Mikal 16
2G- Mikal 16 Dante 32
PG- JB 32 Deuce 16
I want to see more of a Mitch-OG-Mikal-Dante-Brunson lineup. We can see that with Julius getting minutes with the second unit, where he can be the focal point and abuse second string centers.

[BowlRips]

I don’t deny his talent or the value he can bring to the team especially at his pay grade butZzz

He’s a square peg in a round hole. He plays a completely different game than the rest of his teammates. The hard part of trading him is that there’s not a huge market for him because other teams realize that his game and play style requires you to change your offense to fit him.
The other issue is his mental fortitude, which we’ve seen swing in both directions over the past 5 years. I’d be very hesitant giving him any type of extension this offseason before seeing how he gels with the reshaped roster and our players ideas of their rolls. Maybe him sitting out a bit gave him a sense of his place on the team and his need to fit in.

I know for a fact that some members of this team felt he was rooting for the Knicks to lose during the Philly series. I don’t know if the air was cleared, or it was addressed but I know that’s how certain players felt during the course of the series. That scares the **** out of me.

I am ok running it back with him this year, but I can’t see how you extend him right now. And if you’re not gonna extend him, he’s just going to be trade bait.

Should be interesting to see how it plays out.

[8516knicks]

"I know for a fact that some members of this team felt he was rooting for the Knicks to lose during the Philly series. I don’t know if the air was cleared, or it was addressed..." First I've heard of this. Where did u pick it up?

[Moose]

I don’t deny his talent or the value he can bring to the team especially at his pay grade butZzz

He’s a square peg in a round hole. He plays a completely different game than the rest of his teammates. The hard part of trading him is that there’s not a huge market for him because other teams realize that his game and play style requires you to change your offense to fit him.
The other issue is his mental fortitude, which we’ve seen swing in both directions over the past 5 years. I’d be very hesitant giving him any type of extension this offseason before seeing how he gels with the reshaped roster and our players ideas of their rolls. Maybe him sitting out a bit gave him a sense of his place on the team and his need to fit in.

I know for a fact that some members of this team felt he was rooting for the Knicks to lose during the Philly series. I don’t know if the air was cleared, or it was addressed but I know that’s how certain players felt during the course of the series. That scares the **** out of me.

I am ok running it back with him this year, but I can’t see how you extend him right now. And if you’re not gonna extend him, he’s just going to be trade bait.

Should be interesting to see how it plays out.

Can you clear up that "hoping to lose" part?

That's a big thing to say without there being any indication that this was true.

[kNicksGmen]

I don’t deny his talent or the value he can bring to the team especially at his pay grade butZzz

He’s a square peg in a round hole. He plays a completely different game than the rest of his teammates. The hard part of trading him is that there’s not a huge market for him because other teams realize that his game and play style requires you to change your offense to fit him.
The other issue is his mental fortitude, which we’ve seen swing in both directions over the past 5 years. I’d be very hesitant giving him any type of extension this offseason before seeing how he gels with the reshaped roster and our players ideas of their rolls. Maybe him sitting out a bit gave him a sense of his place on the team and his need to fit in.

I know for a fact that some members of this team felt he was rooting for the Knicks to lose during the Philly series. I don’t know if the air was cleared, or it was addressed but I know that’s how certain players felt during the course of the series. That scares the **** out of me.

I am ok running it back with him this year, but I can’t see how you extend him right now. And if you’re not gonna extend him, he’s just going to be trade bait.

Should be interesting to see how it plays out.

Can you clear up that "hoping to lose" part?

That's a big thing to say without there being any indication that this was true.

Made up nonsense. Would have been a viral story if there was any truth to it.

[Clyde_Style]

I don’t deny his talent or the value he can bring to the team especially at his pay grade butZzz

He’s a square peg in a round hole. He plays a completely different game than the rest of his teammates. The hard part of trading him is that there’s not a huge market for him because other teams realize that his game and play style requires you to change your offense to fit him.
The other issue is his mental fortitude, which we’ve seen swing in both directions over the past 5 years. I’d be very hesitant giving him any type of extension this offseason before seeing how he gels with the reshaped roster and our players ideas of their rolls. Maybe him sitting out a bit gave him a sense of his place on the team and his need to fit in.

I know for a fact that some members of this team felt he was rooting for the Knicks to lose during the Philly series. I don’t know if the air was cleared, or it was addressed but I know that’s how certain players felt during the course of the series. That scares the **** out of me.

I am ok running it back with him this year, but I can’t see how you extend him right now. And if you’re not gonna extend him, he’s just going to be trade bait.

Should be interesting to see how it plays out.

Where did you get that from?

[Moose]

I don’t deny his talent or the value he can bring to the team especially at his pay grade butZzz

He’s a square peg in a round hole. He plays a completely different game than the rest of his teammates. The hard part of trading him is that there’s not a huge market for him because other teams realize that his game and play style requires you to change your offense to fit him.
The other issue is his mental fortitude, which we’ve seen swing in both directions over the past 5 years. I’d be very hesitant giving him any type of extension this offseason before seeing how he gels with the reshaped roster and our players ideas of their rolls. Maybe him sitting out a bit gave him a sense of his place on the team and his need to fit in.

I know for a fact that some members of this team felt he was rooting for the Knicks to lose during the Philly series. I don’t know if the air was cleared, or it was addressed but I know that’s how certain players felt during the course of the series. That scares the **** out of me.

I am ok running it back with him this year, but I can’t see how you extend him right now. And if you’re not gonna extend him, he’s just going to be trade bait.

Should be interesting to see how it plays out.

Can you clear up that "hoping to lose" part?

That's a big thing to say without there being any indication that this was true.

Made up nonsense. Would have been a viral story if there was any truth to it.

Most likely but figured I'd ask.

[Clyde_Style]

What I think will likely happen is the Knicks tell Randle they'll extend him before the deadline, but only at a certain price that continues to give them flexibility if they need to trade him in the future. I doubt he'll get either a player option or a no trade clause. If Randle wants the biggest salary he can ask for I doubt he will get it and that's probably where the rubber hits the road.

Also, if Brunson foregoes some future riches by extending early there is no way they will budge with Randle asking for more than they are willing to give.

[kNicksGmen]

What I think will likely happen is the Knicks tell Randle they'll extend him before the deadline, but only at a certain price that continues to give them flexibility if they need to trade him in the future. I doubt he'll get either a player option or a no trade clause. If Randle wants the biggest salary he can ask for I doubt he will get it and that's probably where the rubber hits the road.

Also, if Brunson foregoes some future riches by extending early there is no way they will budge with Randle asking for more than they are willing to give.

I agree but kind of kills the vibes that OG didn't take a bit less. I get the sixers were ready to offer max and he technically took a bit less per year from us but not by much really. Don't normally hold that against anyone but if other guys are taking less - like imagine Ihart takes less to stay with us, brunson gets his extension and Randle takes less... Meanwhile OG is chilling as the highest paid guy in the team. Doesn't feel right but it is what it is I guess.

[BowlRips]

I don’t deny his talent or the value he can bring to the team especially at his pay grade butZzz

He’s a square peg in a round hole. He plays a completely different game than the rest of his teammates. The hard part of trading him is that there’s not a huge market for him because other teams realize that his game and play style requires you to change your offense to fit him.
The other issue is his mental fortitude, which we’ve seen swing in both directions over the past 5 years. I’d be very hesitant giving him any type of extension this offseason before seeing how he gels with the reshaped roster and our players ideas of their rolls. Maybe him sitting out a bit gave him a sense of his place on the team and his need to fit in.

I know for a fact that some members of this team felt he was rooting for the Knicks to lose during the Philly series. I don’t know if the air was cleared, or it was addressed but I know that’s how certain players felt during the course of the series. That scares the **** out of me.

I am ok running it back with him this year, but I can’t see how you extend him right now. And if you’re not gonna extend him, he’s just going to be trade bait.

Should be interesting to see how it plays out.

Where did you get that from?

A super duper reliable source told me personally (if i said who it was you'd be like ok they would know this) that Randle had left the court early Game 5 vs Philly before Maxeys explosion. And there was a reaction like wtf what he didnt want to see us celebrate? and then he showed up to Game 6 vs Philly and thought was "wtf are you doing here, you here to watch us lose?" He was there during the Pacers series so maybe it was addressed and this person also said that Leon loves Ju.

I've been posting on here forever, I have nothing to gain by creating this story.

[robillionaire]

What I think will likely happen is the Knicks tell Randle they'll extend him before the deadline, but only at a certain price that continues to give them flexibility if they need to trade him in the future. I doubt he'll get either a player option or a no trade clause. If Randle wants the biggest salary he can ask for I doubt he will get it and that's probably where the rubber hits the road.

Also, if Brunson foregoes some future riches by extending early there is no way they will budge with Randle asking for more than they are willing to give.

I agree but kind of kills the vibes that OG didn't take a bit less. I get the sixers were ready to offer max and he technically took a bit less per year from us but not by much really. Don't normally hold that against anyone but if other guys are taking less - like imagine Ihart takes less to stay with us, brunson gets his extension and Randle takes less... Meanwhile OG is chilling as the highest paid guy in the team. Doesn't feel right but it is what it is I guess.

Randle already did take a discount the first time he extended here btw

[Clyde_Style]

What I think will likely happen is the Knicks tell Randle they'll extend him before the deadline, but only at a certain price that continues to give them flexibility if they need to trade him in the future. I doubt he'll get either a player option or a no trade clause. If Randle wants the biggest salary he can ask for I doubt he will get it and that's probably where the rubber hits the road.

Also, if Brunson foregoes some future riches by extending early there is no way they will budge with Randle asking for more than they are willing to give.

I agree but kind of kills the vibes that OG didn't take a bit less. I get the sixers were ready to offer max and he technically took a bit less per year from us but not by much really. Don't normally hold that against anyone but if other guys are taking less - like imagine Ihart takes less to stay with us, brunson gets his extension and Randle takes less... Meanwhile OG is chilling as the highest paid guy in the team. Doesn't feel right but it is what it is I guess.

I reckon OG already knew what he were going to be paid even before he was traded to the Knicks.

Brown was paid more than Tatum this season. I don't think it will matter to Brunson who is going to be in the same bracket anyway.

Besides, our record with him in the rotation kind of speaks for itself. Impact players get paid. He's certainly more impactful than Randle.

[Clyde_Style]

What I think will likely happen is the Knicks tell Randle they'll extend him before the deadline, but only at a certain price that continues to give them flexibility if they need to trade him in the future. I doubt he'll get either a player option or a no trade clause. If Randle wants the biggest salary he can ask for I doubt he will get it and that's probably where the rubber hits the road.

Also, if Brunson foregoes some future riches by extending early there is no way they will budge with Randle asking for more than they are willing to give.

I agree but kind of kills the vibes that OG didn't take a bit less. I get the sixers were ready to offer max and he technically took a bit less per year from us but not by much really. Don't normally hold that against anyone but if other guys are taking less - like imagine Ihart takes less to stay with us, brunson gets his extension and Randle takes less... Meanwhile OG is chilling as the highest paid guy in the team. Doesn't feel right but it is what it is I guess.

Randle already did take a discount the first time he extended here btw

And he will have to do it again. He's not getting a max deal