Oso Ighodaro

[Saberestar]

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His IQ seems higher than Eubanks.

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[bwgood77]

I didn't know about him coming into the draft, but he sounds good...high iq...played with Kolek who is high iq. I wonder what we do for a backup guard, especially with Gordon gone. We really probably need a couple. Hopefully can sign a couple minimum vets and get 1-2 udfa players, at least 1 a guard.

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Basically the Suns got a Draymond Green IQ kind of player.

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[Fo-Real]

Not that I have much of one but this kid wasn't on my radar. Really liking what I'm seeing of his combine scrimmage hilights and developed at Marquette. Live body, great motor, athletic, has some handle and isn't afraid to go at the rim against somebody. I like this dude.

[darealjuice]

Interesting to hear that he didn't start playing basketball until he was 14. He might still have some room for growth.

He'll need to put on a bit of weight, but I like the athleticism, passing, handle, and touch on his floater. Seems like he could be a good fit. Don't think I'd want to be relying on him for rotation minutes this year though.

[Saberestar]

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Oso Ighodaro’s parents, Dawn and Osaro Ighodaro, are educators. Dawn and Osaro have spent several years working in and around Phoenix, Arizona.

Oso’s father, Osaro Ighodaro, received bachelor’s and master’s degrees from Northern Arizona University in 1990 and 1992, respectively.

Osaro also played collegiate basketball at NAU before going pro in Belgium.

https://jodytinsight.s3.rbx.io.cloud.ovh.net/who-are-dawn-and-osaro-ighodaro-meet.html

[lilfishi22]

I didn't know about him coming into the draft, but he sounds good...high iq...played with Kolek who is high iq. I wonder what we do for a backup guard, especially with Gordon gone. We really probably need a couple. Hopefully can sign a couple minimum vets and get 1-2 udfa players, at least 1 a guard.

I only knew about him cos I was watching a ton of Kolek tape and they had a solid 2 man game going.

Dude's high IQ as well. Love it

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His IQ seems higher than Eubanks.

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For a collegiate basketball player they should be pretty familiar with these plays. I don't doubt he's got high BBALL IQ but it's not something he's never seen before and he probably even ran some of these plays in college.

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[Book1Nation]

Kind of reminds me of a young Thad Young. I know we only got to see old Thad this season but he was a dog in his prime. Would love for Oso to have a similar career

[Ghost of Kleine]

I think golanator hit it on the head mostly! This kid Ighodaro is a skinny 6'10 version of Thad Young. Solid positional defender, great passer, high IQ, non stop motor, hard worker, mobile and versatile for his position as he can play at both the 4 and the 5, but would probably be best served playing next to an athletic rim protector big. And has elite athletic traits.

Also is undersized for a center role but can operate as a small ball 5 in small ball lineups. BUT even at 6'10 and gery Mobile is not really a solid shotblocker/ rim protector. Isn't a strong rebounder for his size, isn't really a floor spacer either. He's basically a high IQ, athletic, passing big with solid positional defense.

BUT if he can learn to shoot better and he can buy in defensively and learn to become more of a shotblocker/ rim protector, then he can become a great two way impact player for us.


I do wonder However how the same people that bash on Dunn for his weaknesses can at the same time gush over Oso when it's very obvious that BOTH players are very similar in multiple traits, attributes/ weaknesses yet one gets supported and the other lambasted for having similar blemishes and things to work on to become two way impact players for us????

[lilfishi22]

I think golanator hit it on the head mostly! This kid Ighodaro is a skinny 6'10 version of Thad Young. Solid positional defender, great passer, high IQ, non stop motor, hard worker, mobile and versatile for his position as he can play at both the 4 and the 5, but would probably be best served playing next to an athletic rim protector big. And has elite athletic traits.

Also is undersized for a center role but can operate as a small ball 5 in small ball lineups. BUT even at 6'10 and gery Mobile is not really a solid shotblocker/ rim protector. Isn't a strong rebounder for his size, isn't really a floor spacer either. He's basically a high IQ, athletic, passing big with solid positional defense.

BUT if he can learn to shoot better and he can buy in defensively and learn to become more of a shotblocker/ rim protector, then he can become a great two way impact player for us.


I do wonder However how the same people that Nash on Dunn for his weaknesses can at the same time gush over Oso when it's very obvious that BOTH players are very similar in multiple traits, attributes/ weaknesses yet one gets supported and the other lambasted for having similar blemishes and things to work on to become two way impact players for us????

Nobody is gushing over him, not even close compared to what you've been on with Dunn like he's going to come in and have Gobert level impact

[Ghost of Kleine]

I think golanator hit it on the head mostly! This kid Ighodaro is a skinny 6'10 version of Thad Young. Solid positional defender, great passer, high IQ, non stop motor, hard worker, mobile and versatile for his position as he can play at both the 4 and the 5, but would probably be best served playing next to an athletic rim protector big. And has elite athletic traits.

Also is undersized for a center role but can operate as a small ball 5 in small ball lineups. BUT even at 6'10 and gery Mobile is not really a solid shotblocker/ rim protector. Isn't a strong rebounder for his size, isn't really a floor spacer either. He's basically a high IQ, athletic, passing big with solid positional defense.

BUT if he can learn to shoot better and he can buy in defensively and learn to become more of a shotblocker/ rim protector, then he can become a great two way impact player for us.


I do wonder However how the same people that Nash on Dunn for his weaknesses can at the same time gush over Oso when it's very obvious that BOTH players are very similar in multiple traits, attributes/ weaknesses yet one gets supported and the other lambasted for having similar blemisheWhthr s and things to work on to become two way impact players for us????

Nobody is gushing over him, not even close compared to what you've been on with Dunn like he's going to come in and have Gobert level impact

sure man! Whatever you say! I've only ever shared the consensus assessment on Dunns' value, fiyt, impact for us from multiple articles w/ corresponding quotes detailing his elite defensive potential and impact. But I've also openly admitted to his having shooting concerns that he MUST IMPROVE UPON to become a more high value two way impact option for us! I've also spoke in confidence that he can and likely will improve on his shooting due to his relentless work ethic and determination. But you (and others) on the other hand have only responded with 90% of your posts about Dunn (since we chose to draft him in a negative or detractful manner, laser focusing in on his shooting issues and promoting the narrative that his value would somehow be minimal because he can't shoot well. And repeatedly ignoring his well documented ELITE LEVEL DEFENSIVE IMPACT, Acting as if his value to us would somehow at best be neutral or negative contextually because he again can't shoot well. As if shooting is somehow the "end all be all" detrminate to whether a player has value and even be playable these days.

Whether you (and others) are able to accept and comprehend this value, games are again not won only on one side of the court!
Alot of people have been frequently making the case comparison between us and the Timberwolves (prior to the Gobert trade) when they barely missed the playoffs, but then added a key piece in Gobert in trade and wnt on to sweep our offensive juggrnaught in the first round. Please remind me what dynamic change Gobrt brought to that team that dominated us even though we had the supposed "end all be all" offensive superiority advantage?? Also a huge dynamic that helped the Celtics become so every dominant was the additions of Jrue Holiday and Drrick White. Now I get those two wings can shoot, But objectively, what bigger aspect did they play in Bostons' overall dynamic that allowed them to be so dominant and significantly limit the super backcourt offensive duo of Doncic and Irving? I'll give you a hint to BOTH questions............................................It's not on the offensive side of the court!

Now the distinct difference between my posts about Dunn, and yours (and others) post about Ighodaro, being that I've repeatedly acknowledged Dunns' concerns that he must work on. But you've in around 90%+ of your posts only focused in a dismissive nature on what you see to be Dunns' negative aspects of his game as IF they're some absolutes and Dunns' a finished product or something with very limited outcome that rendrs him almost unplayable. And really the only somewhat objectively positive endorsement that you could muster was this:

I'll keep it glass half full in this thread. We're sorely missing some real jump out the gym athletes with good size (ala Derrick Jones Jr) and with serious defensive chops and Dunn brings both in spates. I could see a dude get a block on one end, turn around and race down the court to have a Booker or KD send it him for a highlight transition dunk.

I could also see him scrambling opposing offenses with his length and defensive rotations and just getting his hands on everything.

When clearly, I've already shared with BOTH you and BWgood multiple articles and direct quotes cited from former coaches, lifelong NBA experts, scouts, draft experts, and even quotes from NBA front office executives themselves examples illustrating his underlying versatility, underutilized auxiliary skillset attributes, and even his NBA workout shooting improvements that you've chosen to quickly dismiss under the pretense of "gamesmanship."

But with Ighodaro, You've only chosen to speak on his high defensive IQ and how you "love it" the pick despite not once objectively mentioning any of his similar concerns that he carries too that are actually similar to Dunn. Like the fact that Ighodaro (outside of 6 feet maybe) is actually also a non shooter but even worse from three than Dunn! Like 0% career, also only a 61% FT shooter for a 4 yr college player. Also despite being 6'10 with a freaking 39 inch vertical, he's only registered a 4.6 % block rate and a 9% offensive rebounding percentage. Basically meaning that he's neither an elite rim protector or elite offensive rebound despite having very elite athletic traits and above average mobility for a big. Honestly BOTH Ighodaro and Dunn have similar shooting concerns, both ar solid high IQ defenders with each really only having one very distinguishable elite outlier talent. For Ighodaro, it's his passing, and for Dunn it's his multi positional lockdown defense. BOTH are high IQ players, but not once have I seen you mention/acknowledge Dunns' high IQ resulting in his elite spatial awareness, or his elite defensive anticipation and recovery in drop coverage or short roll situations.

You promote Ighodaro favorably while ignoring his similar concerns, and predominantly focus on Dunns' concerns without promoting his positive attributes. This is being favorable to one prospect while dismissing another. That's where my assessment of these posts comes from man. The overall implicit bias towards a playmaking big, but the inverse non objective assessments of the other. Lastly,
Gobrt only averaged:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/goberru01.html
0.2 steals and 0.9 blocks in his rookie year, and even went on to become a multi yar DPOTY player. Dunns' defensive metrics far exceed what Gobert showed in his rookie year, and his steals and blocks are still better than Goberts' last season too. So overall, not a bad trajectory outcome honestly!

** By thee way, a lot of discussion has ben mad toward our trajectory improvement by using the Timbrwolves competitive jump as a comparison. By when they missed the playoffs onee season only to make the playoffs as a top seed and dominantly mollywhap our offensive juggernaut team with multiple elite offensive weapons that you're low key promoting as the be all end all factor in having success. Please remind me how that team improved so vastly again? What distinct dynamic did they add and were well known for that allowed them to be so dominant? I'll give you a hint..........................It wasn't their offense that dismantleed us handily. Or what about the dynamic that significantly changed the Celtics once they added Holiday and White? And allowed them to dominate the widely proclaimed best offensive backcourt in history of Doncic and Irving? And significantly limiting their scoring dominance? Another hint, it wasn't there shooting even though both were/are good shooters.

Games are again not won only on one sid of the court man! The Suns woke up and recognized this! Which is exactly why they heavily prioritized Dunn and Ighodaro who BOTH are not good shooters but great defenders and lowb usage complimentary utility players. They recognized the critical importance of defensive balance to their already elite offense. Dunn embodies this value as does Ighodaro with his switch defense and passing, both with elit athletic traits. Maybee, just maybe there is more to winning than shooting huh?....LOL.

[lilfishi22]

I think golanator hit it on the head mostly! This kid Ighodaro is a skinny 6'10 version of Thad Young. Solid positional defender, great passer, high IQ, non stop motor, hard worker, mobile and versatile for his position as he can play at both the 4 and the 5, but would probably be best served playing next to an athletic rim protector big. And has elite athletic traits.

Also is undersized for a center role but can operate as a small ball 5 in small ball lineups. BUT even at 6'10 and gery Mobile is not really a solid shotblocker/ rim protector. Isn't a strong rebounder for his size, isn't really a floor spacer either. He's basically a high IQ, athletic, passing big with solid positional defense.

BUT if he can learn to shoot better and he can buy in defensively and learn to become more of a shotblocker/ rim protector, then he can become a great two way impact player for us.


I do wonder However how the same people that Nash on Dunn for his weaknesses can at the same time gush over Oso when it's very obvious that BOTH players are very similar in multiple traits, attributes/ weaknesses yet one gets supported and the other lambasted for having similar blemisheWhthr s and things to work on to become two way impact players for us????

Nobody is gushing over him, not even close compared to what you've been on with Dunn like he's going to come in and have Gobert level impact

sure man! Whatever you say! I've only ever shared the consensus assessment on Dunns' value, fiyt, impact for us from multiple articles w/ corresponding quotes detailing his elite defensive potential and impact. But I've also openly admitted to his having shooting concerns that he MUST IMPROVE UPON to become a more high value two way impact option for us! I've also spoke in confidence that he can and likely will improve on his shooting due to his relentless work ethic and determination. But you (and others) on the other hand have only responded with 90% of your posts about Dunn (since we chose to draft him in a negative or detractful manner, laser focusing in on his shooting issues and promoting the narrative that his value would somehow be minimal because he can't shoot well. And repeatedly ignoring his well documented ELITE LEVEL DEFENSIVE IMPACT, Acting as if his value to us would somehow at best be neutral or negative contextually because he again can't shoot well. As if shooting is somehow the "end all be all" detrminate to whether a player has value and even be playable these days.

Whether you (and others) are able to accept and comprehend this value, games are again not won only on one side of the court!
Alot of people have been frequently making the case comparison between us and the Timberwolves (prior to the Gobert trade) when they barely missed the playoffs, but then added a key piece in Gobert in trade and wnt on to sweep our offensive juggrnaught in the first round. Please remind me what dynamic change Gobrt brought to that team that dominated us even though we had the supposed "end all be all" offensive superiority advantage?? Also a huge dynamic that helped the Celtics become so every dominant was the additions of Jrue Holiday and Drrick White. Now I get those two wings can shoot, But objectively, what bigger aspect did they play in Bostons' overall dynamic that allowed them to be so dominant and significantly limit the super backcourt offensive duo of Doncic and Irving? I'll give you a hint to BOTH questions............................................It's not on the offensive side of the court!

Now the distinct difference between my posts about Dunn, and yours (and others) post about Ighodaro, being that I've repeatedly acknowledged Dunns' concerns that he must work on. But you've in around 90%+ of your posts only focused in a dismissive nature on what you see to be Dunns' negative aspects of his game as IF they're some absolutes and Dunns' a finished product or something with very limited outcome that rendrs him almost unplayable. And really the only somewhat objectively positive endorsement that you could muster was this:

I'll keep it glass half full in this thread. We're sorely missing some real jump out the gym athletes with good size (ala Derrick Jones Jr) and with serious defensive chops and Dunn brings both in spates. I could see a dude get a block on one end, turn around and race down the court to have a Booker or KD send it him for a highlight transition dunk.

I could also see him scrambling opposing offenses with his length and defensive rotations and just getting his hands on everything.

When clearly, I've already shared with BOTH you and BWgood multiple articles and direct quotes cited from former coaches, lifelong NBA experts, scouts, draft experts, and even quotes from NBA front office executives themselves examples illustrating his underlying versatility, underutilized auxiliary skillset attributes, and even his NBA workout shooting improvements that you've chosen to quickly dismiss under the pretense of "gamesmanship."

But with Ighodaro, You've only chosen to speak on his high defensive IQ and how you "love it" the pick despite not once objectively mentioning any of his similar concerns that he carries too that are actually similar to Dunn. Like the fact that Ighodaro (outside of 6 feet maybe) is actually also a non shooter but even worse from three than Dunn! Like 0% career, also only a 61% FT shooter for a 4 yr college player. Also despite being 6'10 with a freaking 39 inch vertical, he's only registered a 4.6 % block rate and a 9% offensive rebounding percentage. Basically meaning that he's neither an elite rim protector or elite offensive rebound despite having very elite athletic traits and above average mobility for a big. Honestly BOTH Ighodaro and Dunn have similar shooting concerns, both ar solid high IQ defenders with each really only having one very distinguishable elite outlier talent. For Ighodaro, it's his passing, and for Dunn it's his multi positional lockdown defense. BOTH are high IQ players, but not once have I seen you mention/acknowledge Dunns' high IQ resulting in his elite spatial awareness, or his elite defensive anticipation and recovery in drop coverage or short roll situations.

You promote Ighodaro favorably while ignoring his similar concerns, and predominantly focus on Dunns' concerns without promoting his positive attributes. This is being favorable to one prospect while dismissing another. That's where my assessment of these posts comes from man. The overall implicit bias towards a playmaking big, but the inverse non objective assessments of the other. Lastly,
Gobrt only averaged:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/goberru01.html
0.2 steals and 0.9 blocks in his rookie year, and even went on to become a multi yar DPOTY player. Dunns' defensive metrics far exceed what Gobert showed in his rookie year, and his steals and blocks are still better than Goberts' last season too. So overall, not a bad trajectory outcome honestly!

** By thee way, a lot of discussion has ben mad toward our trajectory improvement by using the Timbrwolves competitive jump as a comparison. By when they missed the playoffs onee season only to make the playoffs as a top seed and dominantly mollywhap our offensive juggernaut team with multiple elite offensive weapons that you're low key promoting as the be all end all factor in having success. Please remind me how that team improved so vastly again? What distinct dynamic did they add and were well known for that allowed them to be so dominant? I'll give you a hint..........................It wasn't their offense that dismantleed us handily. Or what about the dynamic that significantly changed the Celtics once they added Holiday and White? And allowed them to dominate the widely proclaimed best offensive backcourt in history of Doncic and Irving? And significantly limiting their scoring dominance? Another hint, it wasn't there shooting even though both were/are good shooters.

Games are again not won only on one sid of the court man! The Suns woke up and recognized this! Which is exactly why they heavily prioritized Dunn and Ighodaro who BOTH are not good shooters but great defenders and lowb usage complimentary utility players. They recognized the critical importance of defensive balance to their already elite offense. Dunn embodies this value as does Ighodaro with his switch defense and passing, both with elit athletic traits. Maybee, just maybe there is more to winning than shooting huh?....LOL.

Sorry how is this gushing over a player?

they had a solid 2 man game going.

Dude's high IQ as well. Love it

That's the literally extent of my "analysis" right now. It was one post with 2 sentences. I haven't even deep dived into him as a player to put together my full evaluation. If you are going to judge that as "gushing over him" based on the extent of my 2 sentence evaluation because it doesn't hit on every single strengths, weakness, projection then you are reaching.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Nobody is gushing over him, not even close compared to what you've been on with Dunn like he's going to come in and have Gobert level impact

sure man! Whatever you say! I've only ever shared the consensus assessment on Dunns' value, fiyt, impact for us from multiple articles w/ corresponding quotes detailing his elite defensive potential and impact. But I've also openly admitted to his having shooting concerns that he MUST IMPROVE UPON to become a more high value two way impact option for us! I've also spoke in confidence that he can and likely will improve on his shooting due to his relentless work ethic and determination. But you (and others) on the other hand have only responded with 90% of your posts about Dunn (since we chose to draft him in a negative or detractful manner, laser focusing in on his shooting issues and promoting the narrative that his value would somehow be minimal because he can't shoot well. And repeatedly ignoring his well documented ELITE LEVEL DEFENSIVE IMPACT, Acting as if his value to us would somehow at best be neutral or negative contextually because he again can't shoot well. As if shooting is somehow the "end all be all" detrminate to whether a player has value and even be playable these days.

Whether you (and others) are able to accept and comprehend this value, games are again not won only on one side of the court!
Alot of people have been frequently making the case comparison between us and the Timberwolves (prior to the Gobert trade) when they barely missed the playoffs, but then added a key piece in Gobert in trade and wnt on to sweep our offensive juggrnaught in the first round. Please remind me what dynamic change Gobrt brought to that team that dominated us even though we had the supposed "end all be all" offensive superiority advantage?? Also a huge dynamic that helped the Celtics become so every dominant was the additions of Jrue Holiday and Drrick White. Now I get those two wings can shoot, But objectively, what bigger aspect did they play in Bostons' overall dynamic that allowed them to be so dominant and significantly limit the super backcourt offensive duo of Doncic and Irving? I'll give you a hint to BOTH questions............................................It's not on the offensive side of the court!

Now the distinct difference between my posts about Dunn, and yours (and others) post about Ighodaro, being that I've repeatedly acknowledged Dunns' concerns that he must work on. But you've in around 90%+ of your posts only focused in a dismissive nature on what you see to be Dunns' negative aspects of his game as IF they're some absolutes and Dunns' a finished product or something with very limited outcome that rendrs him almost unplayable. And really the only somewhat objectively positive endorsement that you could muster was this:

I'll keep it glass half full in this thread. We're sorely missing some real jump out the gym athletes with good size (ala Derrick Jones Jr) and with serious defensive chops and Dunn brings both in spates. I could see a dude get a block on one end, turn around and race down the court to have a Booker or KD send it him for a highlight transition dunk.

I could also see him scrambling opposing offenses with his length and defensive rotations and just getting his hands on everything.

When clearly, I've already shared with BOTH you and BWgood multiple articles and direct quotes cited from former coaches, lifelong NBA experts, scouts, draft experts, and even quotes from NBA front office executives themselves examples illustrating his underlying versatility, underutilized auxiliary skillset attributes, and even his NBA workout shooting improvements that you've chosen to quickly dismiss under the pretense of "gamesmanship."

But with Ighodaro, You've only chosen to speak on his high defensive IQ and how you "love it" the pick despite not once objectively mentioning any of his similar concerns that he carries too that are actually similar to Dunn. Like the fact that Ighodaro (outside of 6 feet maybe) is actually also a non shooter but even worse from three than Dunn! Like 0% career, also only a 61% FT shooter for a 4 yr college player. Also despite being 6'10 with a freaking 39 inch vertical, he's only registered a 4.6 % block rate and a 9% offensive rebounding percentage. Basically meaning that he's neither an elite rim protector or elite offensive rebound despite having very elite athletic traits and above average mobility for a big. Honestly BOTH Ighodaro and Dunn have similar shooting concerns, both ar solid high IQ defenders with each really only having one very distinguishable elite outlier talent. For Ighodaro, it's his passing, and for Dunn it's his multi positional lockdown defense. BOTH are high IQ players, but not once have I seen you mention/acknowledge Dunns' high IQ resulting in his elite spatial awareness, or his elite defensive anticipation and recovery in drop coverage or short roll situations.

You promote Ighodaro favorably while ignoring his similar concerns, and predominantly focus on Dunns' concerns without promoting his positive attributes. This is being favorable to one prospect while dismissing another. That's where my assessment of these posts comes from man. The overall implicit bias towards a playmaking big, but the inverse non objective assessments of the other. Lastly,
Gobrt only averaged:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/goberru01.html
0.2 steals and 0.9 blocks in his rookie year, and even went on to become a multi yar DPOTY player. Dunns' defensive metrics far exceed what Gobert showed in his rookie year, and his steals and blocks are still better than Goberts' last season too. So overall, not a bad trajectory outcome honestly!

** By thee way, a lot of discussion has ben mad toward our trajectory improvement by using the Timbrwolves competitive jump as a comparison. By when they missed the playoffs onee season only to make the playoffs as a top seed and dominantly mollywhap our offensive juggernaut team with multiple elite offensive weapons that you're low key promoting as the be all end all factor in having success. Please remind me how that team improved so vastly again? What distinct dynamic did they add and were well known for that allowed them to be so dominant? I'll give you a hint..........................It wasn't their offense that dismantleed us handily. Or what about the dynamic that significantly changed the Celtics once they added Holiday and White? And allowed them to dominate the widely proclaimed best offensive backcourt in history of Doncic and Irving? And significantly limiting their scoring dominance? Another hint, it wasn't there shooting even though both were/are good shooters.

Games are again not won only on one sid of the court man! The Suns woke up and recognized this! Which is exactly why they heavily prioritized Dunn and Ighodaro who BOTH are not good shooters but great defenders and lowb usage complimentary utility players. They recognized the critical importance of defensive balance to their already elite offense. Dunn embodies this value as does Ighodaro with his switch defense and passing, both with elite athletic traits. Maybe, just maybe there is more to winning than shooting huh?....LOL.

Sorry how is this gushing over a player?

they had a solid 2 man game going.

Dude's high IQ as well. Love it

That's the literal extent of my "analysis" right now. It was one post with 2 sentences. I haven't even deep-dived into him as a player to put together my full evaluation. If you are going to judge that as "gushing over him" based on the extent of my 2 sentence evaluation because it doesn't hit on every single strength, weakness, or projection then you are reaching.

It's clearly in you focusing on only the positive aspects of one player and mentioning nothing in equity of his very similar concerns yet the contrasting gap between you only mentioning favorable aspects for one while only repeatedly focusing on negative aspects or concerns over the other seems very selective and telling man. But hey I get it! You have your criteria you find favorable and Ighodaro fits that as a smooth, mobile passing big with an aesthetically pleasing game. And Dunn lacks those qualities that are aesthetically pleasing and exciting to watch.

Basically, regardless of comment length or not, You've again, only mentioned favorable traits as you see them. And that's fine as it's your right and prerogative to view things however you want to. Just as it's mine to view the polarizing difference in comments between the two as gushing over one and/or lambasting or criticizing another without the every full extent of objective analysis that you yourself mentioned. It's just funny to me that you've found the time to consistently criticize or bash on prospect to a significant extent focusing excessively on that prospects weaknesses, But can't find the time to offer more than two sentences about the other outside of positive endorsement.

Don't get me wrong! I love Ighodaros' versatile skillset too and am looking forward to watching him play. But I can also comprehend the value of Dunn to us, even in spite of his offensive shortcomings. Now regardless of any strong differing perspectives, I do still hold both you and BWGood in the highest regards for your practicality and objectivity in our discussions. But that same objective equity seems lacking in how you're promoting these two prospects. One gets constant criticism over developmental concerns while the other doesn't receive any from you regarding very similar concerns that they have too which might affect their impact/value equally as much. I apologize if gushing is maybe too strong a word for your views of Oso. But I'm trying to process the objectivity of one prospect being excessively criticized while the other with practically the same issues gets absolutely zero criticism or mention of concern.

It's just something I'm not accustomed to from you given our past interactions and I find it a bit confusing knowing how very objective you've always been when looking at things man.

Again, it's your right to view the prospects as you choose to.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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This kid sounds awesome! I'm really liking how humble both He and Dunn are and looking forward to watching both play! And I really hope that they both become the 2nd iteration of the twins for us becoming lovable fan favorites based on their great character, work ethic, and talents.

[lilfishi22]

sure man! Whatever you say! I've only ever shared the consensus assessment on Dunns' value, fiyt, impact for us from multiple articles w/ corresponding quotes detailing his elite defensive potential and impact. But I've also openly admitted to his having shooting concerns that he MUST IMPROVE UPON to become a more high value two way impact option for us! I've also spoke in confidence that he can and likely will improve on his shooting due to his relentless work ethic and determination. But you (and others) on the other hand have only responded with 90% of your posts about Dunn (since we chose to draft him in a negative or detractful manner, laser focusing in on his shooting issues and promoting the narrative that his value would somehow be minimal because he can't shoot well. And repeatedly ignoring his well documented ELITE LEVEL DEFENSIVE IMPACT, Acting as if his value to us would somehow at best be neutral or negative contextually because he again can't shoot well. As if shooting is somehow the "end all be all" detrminate to whether a player has value and even be playable these days.

Whether you (and others) are able to accept and comprehend this value, games are again not won only on one side of the court!
Alot of people have been frequently making the case comparison between us and the Timberwolves (prior to the Gobert trade) when they barely missed the playoffs, but then added a key piece in Gobert in trade and wnt on to sweep our offensive juggrnaught in the first round. Please remind me what dynamic change Gobrt brought to that team that dominated us even though we had the supposed "end all be all" offensive superiority advantage?? Also a huge dynamic that helped the Celtics become so every dominant was the additions of Jrue Holiday and Drrick White. Now I get those two wings can shoot, But objectively, what bigger aspect did they play in Bostons' overall dynamic that allowed them to be so dominant and significantly limit the super backcourt offensive duo of Doncic and Irving? I'll give you a hint to BOTH questions............................................It's not on the offensive side of the court!

Now the distinct difference between my posts about Dunn, and yours (and others) post about Ighodaro, being that I've repeatedly acknowledged Dunns' concerns that he must work on. But you've in around 90%+ of your posts only focused in a dismissive nature on what you see to be Dunns' negative aspects of his game as IF they're some absolutes and Dunns' a finished product or something with very limited outcome that rendrs him almost unplayable. And really the only somewhat objectively positive endorsement that you could muster was this:


When clearly, I've already shared with BOTH you and BWgood multiple articles and direct quotes cited from former coaches, lifelong NBA experts, scouts, draft experts, and even quotes from NBA front office executives themselves examples illustrating his underlying versatility, underutilized auxiliary skillset attributes, and even his NBA workout shooting improvements that you've chosen to quickly dismiss under the pretense of "gamesmanship."

But with Ighodaro, You've only chosen to speak on his high defensive IQ and how you "love it" the pick despite not once objectively mentioning any of his similar concerns that he carries too that are actually similar to Dunn. Like the fact that Ighodaro (outside of 6 feet maybe) is actually also a non shooter but even worse from three than Dunn! Like 0% career, also only a 61% FT shooter for a 4 yr college player. Also despite being 6'10 with a freaking 39 inch vertical, he's only registered a 4.6 % block rate and a 9% offensive rebounding percentage. Basically meaning that he's neither an elite rim protector or elite offensive rebound despite having very elite athletic traits and above average mobility for a big. Honestly BOTH Ighodaro and Dunn have similar shooting concerns, both ar solid high IQ defenders with each really only having one very distinguishable elite outlier talent. For Ighodaro, it's his passing, and for Dunn it's his multi positional lockdown defense. BOTH are high IQ players, but not once have I seen you mention/acknowledge Dunns' high IQ resulting in his elite spatial awareness, or his elite defensive anticipation and recovery in drop coverage or short roll situations.

You promote Ighodaro favorably while ignoring his similar concerns, and predominantly focus on Dunns' concerns without promoting his positive attributes. This is being favorable to one prospect while dismissing another. That's where my assessment of these posts comes from man. The overall implicit bias towards a playmaking big, but the inverse non objective assessments of the other. Lastly,
Gobrt only averaged:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/goberru01.html
0.2 steals and 0.9 blocks in his rookie year, and even went on to become a multi yar DPOTY player. Dunns' defensive metrics far exceed what Gobert showed in his rookie year, and his steals and blocks are still better than Goberts' last season too. So overall, not a bad trajectory outcome honestly!

** By thee way, a lot of discussion has ben mad toward our trajectory improvement by using the Timbrwolves competitive jump as a comparison. By when they missed the playoffs onee season only to make the playoffs as a top seed and dominantly mollywhap our offensive juggernaut team with multiple elite offensive weapons that you're low key promoting as the be all end all factor in having success. Please remind me how that team improved so vastly again? What distinct dynamic did they add and were well known for that allowed them to be so dominant? I'll give you a hint..........................It wasn't their offense that dismantleed us handily. Or what about the dynamic that significantly changed the Celtics once they added Holiday and White? And allowed them to dominate the widely proclaimed best offensive backcourt in history of Doncic and Irving? And significantly limiting their scoring dominance? Another hint, it wasn't there shooting even though both were/are good shooters.

Games are again not won only on one sid of the court man! The Suns woke up and recognized this! Which is exactly why they heavily prioritized Dunn and Ighodaro who BOTH are not good shooters but great defenders and lowb usage complimentary utility players. They recognized the critical importance of defensive balance to their already elite offense. Dunn embodies this value as does Ighodaro with his switch defense and passing, both with elite athletic traits. Maybe, just maybe there is more to winning than shooting huh?....LOL.

Sorry how is this gushing over a player?

they had a solid 2 man game going.

Dude's high IQ as well. Love it

That's the literal extent of my "analysis" right now. It was one post with 2 sentences. I haven't even deep-dived into him as a player to put together my full evaluation. If you are going to judge that as "gushing over him" based on the extent of my 2 sentence evaluation because it doesn't hit on every single strength, weakness, or projection then you are reaching.

It's clearly in you focusing on only the positive aspects of one player and mentioning nothing in equity of his very similar concerns yet the contrasting gap between you only mentioning favorable aspects for one while only repeatedly focusing on negative aspects or concerns over the other seems very selective and telling man. But hey I get it! You have your criteria you find favorable and Ighodaro fits that as a smooth, mobile passing big with an aesthetically pleasing game. And Dunn lacks those qualities that are aesthetically pleasing and exciting to watch.

Basically, regardless of comment length or not, You've again, only mentioned favorable traits as you see them. And that's fine as it's your right and prerogative to view things however you want to. Just as it's mine to view the polarizing difference in comments between the two as gushing over one and/or lambasting or criticizing another without the every full extent of objective analysis that you yourself mentioned. It's just funny to me that you've found the time to consistently criticize or bash on prospect to a significant extent focusing excessively on that prospects weaknesses, But can't find the time to offer more than two sentences about the other outside of positive endorsement.

Don't get me wrong! I love Ighodaros' versatile skillset too and am looking forward to watching him play. But I can also comprehend the value of Dunn to us, even in spite of his offensive shortcomings. Now regardless of any strong differing perspectives, I do still hold both you and BWGood in the highest regards for your practicality and objectivity in our discussions. But that same objective equity seems lacking in how you're promoting these two prospects. One gets constant criticism over developmental concerns while the other doesn't receive any from you regarding very similar concerns that they have too which might affect their impact/value equally as much. I apologize if gushing is maybe too strong a word for your views of Oso. But I'm trying to process the objectivity of one prospect being excessively criticized while the other with practically the same issues gets absolutely zero criticism or mention of concern.

It's just something I'm not accustomed to from you given our past interactions and I find it a bit confusing knowing how very objective you've always been when looking at things man.

Again, it's your right to view the prospects as you choose to.

Maybe perhaps because I haven't done ANY research into him.

Before he was drafted, I barely even know who he was other than being Kolek's PnR partner and I never deep dived into him because he wasn't a guy that was projected to be in our our draft range. All I responded to was what people had posted on this thread before my post and that I like high IQ players. As I said, I haven't done ANY evaluation. I haven't done ANY projections. I haven't said ANYTHING about what he may be able to contribute this season. I haven't said a damn thing. There is NO equivalency to Dunn because I did deep dive into his profile prior to the draft as he was in the range of our 22nd pick.

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Reminds me of Kelly Olynyk, but more athletic. Nice pick that late!