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[KnicksGadfly]

I’m personally down for vet minimums. It’s forces more shrewd cap management.

What would vet min look like? X number for years?

[MrDollarBills]

I’m personally down for vet minimums. It’s forces more shrewd cap management.

What would vet min look like? X number for years?

Wouldn't a vet minimum be a one year deal?

[Context]

Talk to me nice if I decide to move him. The suns fans love what he brings...He's $9 this year and I have his bird rights..
Just saying

RealGM Wiretap
Royce O'Neale, Suns Agree To Four-Year, $44M Deal
JUN 29, 2024 1:38 PM


Royce O'Neale and the Phoenix Suns have agreed to a four-year, $44 million deal. O'Neale's contract is fully guaranteed with no team or player options. The Suns acquired O'Neale from the Brooklyn Nets at the trade deadline for three second round picks.

In 30 games with the Suns, O'Neale averaged 8.1 points, 5.2 rebounds and 2.7 assists while shooting 37.6 percent on three-pointers in 25.1 minutes.


O'Neale, who is represented by George Roussakis, is coming off a four-year, $36 million extension signed with the Utah Jazz in 2020.

[wackbone]

On the block:
John Collins- $226/3 years
Terance Mann- $46/2 years
Precious Achiuwa- $40/3 years
Davion Mitchell- $39/1 year
Tim Hardaway Jr.- $15/3 years
Georges Niang- $5/2 years

Open to various possibilities. Willing to attach 2nds.

[3toheadmelo]

if anyone is interested, there's a guy who called jokic being the steal of the draft years ago. i found it interesting to see who he's high on in this draft.

here's his top 10

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Tier 1: Median Outcome Great Two-Way Starter, Clear Paths to Superstar Upside
Would happily draft Top-3 in any given draft, regardless of team context

1. Reed Sheppard, Guard, Kentucky
Size: 6-3/6-3, 180
Draft Day Age: 20.0
Off Role: Gravity Bending Three-Level-Scoring Secondary Initiator (Possible Primary?)
Def Role: Swiss Army Knife Off Ball Guard
Key Stats per 100 possessions: 8.4 AST, 3.7 TOV, 4.6 STL, 1.3 BLK
Key Misc Stats: 70% TS, 52% 3P, 45% Long 2s
All things considered, Reed Sheppard is the only real choice for the title of top prospect in this draft. There are no other 19 year olds whose statistical profiles are truly unimpeachable, and that makes Sheppard by far the easiest to swallow number one guy here.

Which is hilarious, because he will immediately be one of the smallest guys on whatever team drafts him + doesn't project to be a clear primary initiator... historically, a combination of traits that NBA teams avoid like the plague come draft night.

An uber-athletic two-way statistically dominant young guard like Sheppard does not come around often at all. He is an excellent three-level scorer and likely the very best bet in this class to shoot, he accumulated a high volume of assists coupled with a low volume of turnovers, and he racked up steals and blocks at incredible rates which goes hand in hand with scouting reports about his off-ball defense being elite—not something that is always the case for guards who pile up stocks.

Sheppard will not look like a 19-year old college sixth man five years from now; he has the core tools for going down so many different development paths and becoming a true star via any one of them. Tyrese Haliburton, Jalen Brunson, Fred VanVleet, Steph Curry, Kyle Lowry, Mike Conley, C.J. McCollum, Damian Lillard, Derrick White — look at these guys and who they were at age 19. Sheppard is a bucket of high-level skills and tools, and I’m so excited to see

My comparison, if you forced me to make one, would be somewhere in the Offensively Supercharged Small Derrick White to Supercharged Fred VanVleet zone. There’s no obviously good comp for a defensive playmaking maestro who can initiate some and probably be an elite-efficiency scorer with growing volume by Year 1.

All told, the Hawks are likely making a mistake in passing on Reed Sheppard come draft night.

2. Zach Edey, C, Purdue
Size: 7-5/7-11, 300
Draft Day Age: 22.1
Off Role: Rim Running+Post Creator Big
Def Role: Drop Big
Key Stats per 100 possessions: 45.5 PTS, 24.3 REB, 3.9 BLK
Key Misc Stats: 21.3% ORB, 16% AST, +3% A/TO%, 34.4% USG
Key Context: The above stats were all from his age-19 college season.
There has never in the modern era been a player this big to come into the NBA with anything approaching elite production, much less Edey’s brand of truly irreproachable per-possession production in 30+ minutes per game. He’s not an age merchant, only feasting on babes once he was 3+ years older than the majority of his opponents, as shown above.

It seems very much like everybody analyzes Edey as though he stands a strong 7-2 in shoes and/or they are putting their hands over eyes and plugging their ears when it comes time to analyze his athleticism and conditioning levels.

Seven foot five, 300 lb. **** don’t tend to make a habit of having 26” and 31.5” standing and max vertical jumps, nor shuttle running faster than 40”+ jumpers Bronny James, Keshad Johnson, and Reed Sheppard, and even draft twitter’s favorite athletic French wing.

It’s a **** joke and a half that Zach Edey is mostly considered a fun second- or third-string guy at peak, akin to Boban Marjanovic. I’ve also seen Ivica MFing Zubac. Maybe worth a first-rounder in a weak class like this.

Incorrect.

Edey has the stamina and the skills and, most of all, the athleticism to absolutely crush it in the NBA. Any comparison feels incredibly disingenuous because almost nobody ever has done what Edey started doing at Age 19 in college, and, quite comfortably, nobody ever has come into the league at Edey’s size with the same level of athleticism. This dude shot 436 free throws last season. Please stop with the fun backup ****.

More Vertically Inclined Shaquille O’Neal rings the closest, at three or four inches taller, a smidge thinner and [I have to imagine] quite a bit less athletic, as Shaq absolutely dusted Zhaq in the blocks department. But the biggest kicker is that Hack-a-Zach will never, ever be possible, as Edey has shot 72% (!!!) on his last 700 free throws at Purdue.

We shall see. Ranking Edey Top 3 is one of the easiest decisions in the class for me. Not putting him No. 1 is mostly due to humans of his size breaking down far more easily than those who are Sheppard’s size… as of now, Zhaq appears to have awesome conditioning and is primed to put his stamp on the league.

3. Donovan Clingan, C, UConn
ize: 7-3/7-7, 280
Draft Day Age: 20.3
Off Role: Roll Man Big, Possible Playmaker
Def Role: Drop Rim Protecting Big
Key Stats per 100: 4.1 AST, 2.2 TOV
Key Fr+So Combined Stats: 12.6% BLK, 16.2% ORB, 26% DRB, 25% USG, 48% Long 2s
Clingan is another absolutely monster-sized player, immediately among the five biggest guys in the league the day he's drafted.

People seem to want to make the comparison to Walker Kessler, who was a year older, a bit smaller, couldn't rebound worth a **** and had zero creation green flags in the profile (while Clingan has several), or worse yet, Mark Eaton, who played 6.5 minutes per game across two college seasons.

Listen, his conditioning probably sucks and he's had some foot issues already. That's the main reason there's two players ranked ahead of him — he's a significantly better defensive bet than Edey, and Sheppard's size makes him likely to be a potential target as an on-ball defender in a high level series. Clingan has no such potential worry with his play — maybe his foul shooting never improves, and he can be hacked?

Clingan just has so many green flags strewn about his profile. A significantly positive AST:TOV ratio and percentage ratio in his Age 19 college season, a high usage rate coupled with 70% Rim FG% and 48% from the mid range (many of which were long hooks and so forth, but a sign of great touch nonetheless), and he won the god damn national championship both years he was in college.

In the same way they **** up their Edey evals, people also seem to evaluate Clingan as if he stands a strong 7-0 in shoes. I have ALSO heard IVICA **** ZUBAC as a comp for Clingan. Some people just can’t make a cross-racial comp to save their **** lives. They refuse to. There must just not be enough statistically dominant players who come into the league anywhere near this size, as people seem to just be conveniently looking right over this modern Marc Gasol or Thick Rudy Gobert—with passing chops and a hope and a prayer to shoot to boot—and throwing their arms in the air lamenting how there's no superstar prospects. Unreal.

4. Alexandre Sarr, Big, Perth Wildcats
Size: 7-1/7-4, 225
Draft Day Age: 19.1
Off Role: Roll Man Big, Possible Shooter
Def Role: Versatile Rim Protecting Big
Key Stats per 36: 3.5 BLK, 19.8 PTS, 1.9 AST, 2.2 TOV, 4.1 3PA, 8.9 REB
Key Misc Stats: 59% 2P, 28% 3P, 70% FT, 17.2 MPG
Sarr is a super straightforward sell. He is a legit 7-1 in shoes and a very functionally-mobile elite weakside shot-blocker. There are flashes he shows of being able to put the ball on the deck and slash, so he may be able to grow into running some DHO action here and there in the league too.

But maybe the biggest will-he-or-won’t-he at the top of the draft is Sarr and whether he will shoot it at the next level. It is humorous that because he ekes out above the 70% threshold at the line, it is decided that he is a unicorn prospect, expected to eventually shoot in the NBA… but he has good form, and he took a solid amount of threes in Australia.

The fairly high usage with pretty great efficiency against some real grown big men in the NBL, viewed in tandem with the good AST:TOV ratio, might hint that there’s way more creation equity here than initially meets the eye. As well, Sarr was ranked by Kevin Pelton as a Top 20 per-minute player in the NBL, which is just such a huge green flag. He’s gonna be a stud.

I think Sarr is a valid Top 3 draft pick in just about any given draft class; he’s young, huge, mobile, defensively skilled and has shown real reasons for offensive optimism. Somewhere along the Taller Evan Mobley/Jaren Jackson Jr. spectrum.

That’s it, that’s the Top 4 — in my opinion, and by I would imagine any model worth a damn’s opinion. They won’t be, but they should be the first four players off the board tomorrow. I would slot all four of these prospects after No. 1 but before No. 2 in both of the last two drafts (Wembanyama and Holmgren being the clear top dogs).

Tier 2: Median Outcome Solid Starter, Clear Paths to Star+ Upside
Would happily draft mid-to-late lottery in any given draft

5. Ron Holland II, Wing, G-League Ignite
Size: 6-8/6-11, 200
Draft Day Age: 18.9
Off Role: Secondary Initiator Slashing Wing
Def Role: Versatile Wing
Key Misc Stats: 28% USG, 3.6% STL, 2.6% BLK, 5.3% ORB, 52% 2P, 24% 3P, 73% FT, 16% AST, 15% TOV
Holland is another pretty straightforward traditional 18-year old athletic two-way wing prospect. When a 6-8 athletic player handles the bulk of their team’s scoring duties with some ball-handling + passing + defensive chops, they’re gonna be a rock solid NBA bet every time. (Josh Jackson is one that sticks out to me as clearly a bust with this precise mold in the last decade.)

Doing what Holland did this past year at 18 against an average opponent age of 24 and teams made up of former D-1 stars is just nuts. His motor is absurdly good, and there’s little doubt he’s gonna contribute on the defensive end in the NBA — maybe to an elite degree, with some of the scoring load taken off of him. His steal and block rates were among the most impressive in the class, and, again, he managed a good true shooting percentage on extreme usage on top of a positive assist-to-turnover percentage ratio.

There’s a few avenues for Holland to be a star here, but he probably won’t achieve any of that if he never improves his three-point shot to a respectable degree — and, as only 21% of his shots were threes, we may be in for a tough couple of years. He could walk into an outcome of a better free-throw shooting Andre Roberson, but, with the improvements we should be able to expect him to make as a current 73% FT guy who seems like an elite worker, I’d expect him to look like Tari Eason in the early years and end up anywhere along the Michael Finley, Gerald Wallace, Jaylen Brown spectrum in his prime.

6. Isaiah Collier, Guard, USC
Size: 6-4/6-5, 205
Draft Day Age: 19.7
Off Role: Slashing Lead Initiator Guard
Def Role: Point of Attack Guard
Key Stats per 100: 11.1 FTA (16.6 2PA), 5.7 3PA, 31.2 PTS, 2.8 STL
Key Misc Stats: 31% AST, 19% TOV, 30% USG, 67% FT, 34% 3P, 38% Long 2s
Collier is the premiere offensive engine in this draft, having come into the year as a prime candidate for #1, but going into a team context at USC that couldn't have been much worse for stat and efficiency boosting. Luckily for his NBA team, it definitely is experience that will have helped his long-term development.

Collier is a slasher supreme, making his living from getting to the rim and 1) having good touch scoring there, 2) using his body to absorb contact and take a foul, or 3) having elite passing feel and making a quick read out of a jumbled mess in the paint.

In a lot of ways, Collier's box score reminds me of a point guard version of Anthony Edwards, as Georgia Ant was also someone described as a bulldog (ha) that could get to the rim at will but with bad shooting metrics, as he shot a truly repulsive 29.6% on 371 shots from 3+ feet. His one redeeming green flag in that area was shooting 77% from the line. He had a 91:87 AST:TOV ratio alongside a 30% usage rate.

Looking back on Ant, I'm still so amazed that they took him over LaMelo and that it has worked out so well. That result truly has been solely responsible for a scouting methodology shift of mine over the years. Obviously LaMelo is great as well, plus my #2 from that year Haliburton is likely > Ant, but Ant is literally so good! And that is really terrific for the league.

But back to Collier: it's quite a similar statistical bag. Even through an injury issue or two that might've hampered his efficiency, he carried a better steal rate, a meaningfully higher 35.7% on 154 shots outside of rim range, 67% from FT, and above all he consistently displayed his gift to get to the cup with the ball in his hands (half of his shots were at the rim, and many more became FTAs) whenever he wants, and is an excellent foul-drawer + passer there.

His turnovers are almost entirely comprised of the "smart risk taking" variety, especially as the year progressed; his team completely sucked at spacing the floor and at catching passes. I am so excited to see this immediate improvement in the NBA.

He certainly will not be targeted on defense either. Though he's short with short arms, Collier is smart, strong, has elite lateral quickness and good hands, and gives effort aplenty there; he was carrying the entire offensive load for his team and didn't use that excuse to completely give up on the other side of the ball. That **** matters.

It comes down to: Collier is an advantage creating killer with a notable red flag in his FT%. I'm not sure he's gonna be a three-point launcher off the dribble anytime soon, but I'm also not sure he needs to do that to be successful. Rim attacking is the absolute best skill a perimeter ball-handler can have, period.

At the peak of his powers, there's no telling exactly what Collier may look like — Devin Harris? Small Tyreke Evans? Eric Bledsoe? Tony Parker? I think somewhere in between there lies the likeliest outcome.

7. DaRon Holmes II, Big, Dayton
Size: 6-10/7-1, 240
Draft Day Age: 21.8
Off Role: Playmaking Floor Spacer Big
Def Role: Versatile Weakside Rim Protecting Big
Key Stats per 100: 38.8 PTS, 3.9 BLK, 1.8 STL, 16.7 FTA, 4.8 3PA
Key Misc Stats: 31% USG, 19% AST, 12% TOV, 39% 3P, 71% FT, 74% Rim, 11% Soph Yr OREB
One of the most well-rounded offensive big men I’ve ever watched, and defensively he is also just a phenomenal player. I truly think Holmes is a basketball genius.

The stats bear out that Holmes has a diverse game but is unlikely to be absolutely elite in any one area, though I would contest that his undeniable basketball IQ is a factor here — these guys can sometimes make huge unforeseen leaps in multiple areas.

He’s obviously a physical player as well, as his free-throw-to-two-point attempt ratio of 92% is just nuts. He has played a number of roles for this Dayton team, from interior-only garbage man to inside-out lead scorer; I think he’ll be able to do the same in the NBA — enjoy big time success in any number of situations he could be drafted into, being able to adjust his game to the current lineup at will. Like a modern mashup of former concurrent Eastern Conference Players of the Month Paul Millsap and Al Horford.

8. Kyle Filipowski, Big, Duke
Size: 7-0/6-11, 230
Draft Day Age: 20.6
Off Role: Playmaking Floor Spacer Big
Def Role: Versatile Big
Key Stats per 100: 6.6 3PA, 5.4 AST, 4.1 TOV, 5.1 Stocks
Key Misc Stats: 35% 3P, 72% FT, 5.3% BLK, 28% USG, 10% ORB, 24% DRB, 18% AST, 13% TOV, 39% Long 2s
Filipowski is a really funky seven footer, where his biggest strength is putting the ball on the floor and making decisions inside the arc. There is some shooting acumen there to be sure as well, and he is also fully capable of handling switches onto smaller, quicker guards on defense, showing immense effort on that side of the court.

That makes his upside quite tantalizing, as a 7-0 MFer who can shoot, defend, slash and create for his teammates. The problems are that he can definitely give up advantages to opposing bigs in the paint who are stronger than him, which is gonna be a lot of guys in the NBA. He also is not a lock to shoot it at a high level, which he’ll need to have in his bag to really develop the rest of his game well.

I could see P.J. Washington or Mo Wagner on the low end side of the outcomes for ‘Flip,’ but taller Dario Saric, more mobile Nikola Vucevic on the high median end seems very reasonable — some alternate, perhaps more defensively inclined version of Lauri Markkanen or Domantas Sabonis on the high end?

9. Devin Carter, Wing, Providence

Draft Day Age: 22.3
Off Role: Floor Spacing Connective Playmaker Wing
Def Role: Swiss Army Knife/Elite Help Wing
Key Stats per 100: 14.4 TRB, 11.2 3PA, 6.0 AST, 4.5 TOV, 3.0 STL, 1.6 BLK
Key Misc Stats: 38% 3P, 75% FT, 28% USG, 23% AST, 14% TOV
Carter has the absolute best motor on top of the best athleticism in this class. Son of former 13-year NBA guy Anthony, Carter also has the genes to back it up; he broke the combine record for the three-quarter sprint, had the highest standing (35”) and max (42”) vert leaps among all participants, and was top three in lane agility time to boot.

It has unquestionably showed up on tape for him every year too, as he was the entire crux of Providence’s defense, always relying on him to guard the opposing team’s best player and provide weakside rim-protection simultaneously, constantly forcing him to showcase his All-NBA Defense type recovery skills.

Carter tested the draft waters last year, and was told by NBA teams that they want to see him shoot it more. Well, he did, and to the tune of great success: he crushed his attempts number of his first two years combined, and stroked it at 37.7%. This season Carter also reached defensive rebounding heights that are simply unheard of (at least since 2010) for somebody who stands just 6-4, with a near-24% DRB rate.

He is a gamer, and he will be in the league for a long time. Playing the comparison game is tough, but there’s shades of De’Anthony Melton, Alex Caruso, Patrick Beverley in Carter’s game, all guys who were massively undervalued as prospects, and who, if parts of their offense developed in ways that still potentially could for Carter, could have been absolute stars — but I’d project and be happy with an outcome somewhere in their ranges.

10. Kel’el Ware, Big, Indiana
Size: 7-1/7-4
Draft Day Age: 20.2
Off Role: Roll Man Possible Shooter Big
Def Role: Versatile Possible Rim Protecting Big
Key Stats per 100: 3.3 BLK, 2.7 AST, 2.8 TOV, 2.4 3PA, 28.6 PTS
Key Misc Stats: 23% USG, 7.9% ORB, 26% DRB, 74% Rim
Kel'el is one of the most fun players in the draft because he is absolutely massive, extremely athletic and he shows some flashes of "holy ****." I do take a bit of issue with him being described as an elite defensive prospect, and his offensive rebounding percentage also suggests he won't be too great on the NBA glass, but his offensive ceiling is unreal.

He is for my money the best lob-catcher in the class. He can get up off the ground from either foot without loading, and his athleticism is super functional when it comes to slamming it home — he ranked ninth in all of D-1 with 63 dunks, more than half of his made Rim shots. And for a guy with a mediocre OREB%, he really does shine on Putbacks % with an astounding 86%!

An almost comical 38% of his shots came from the 4 to 20 ft range last year, and he shot an absolutely astounding 45% on those shots. (At Oregon the previous season, he shot about a third of his shots from the mid-range as well, and made 45% as well!) The touch feels extraordinarily real. His assist to turnover total ratio came out to 45 to 47, yet another feather in the cap of Ware’s feel.

I am confident Kel'el will be able to slide his feet and hopefully learn to be a big deterrent in the paint in the NBA — his team was significantly better on defense with him on the court, so I'm not holding a middling block rate and low steal rate that much against him. He is no Derrick Lively (whom he’s often compared to) on that end though, who contributed far more steals and more than double the blocks per minute, plus a significantly greater offensive rebounding percentage.

Where Kel'el shines most brightly is on the other side of the ball, where he stands a chance to be a serious faceup threat from the mid-range, shoot NBA threes and be one of the most dangerous rim-runners in the entire league. Sort of like a modernized DeAndre Jordan, would be just about my perfect comparison — not the ceiling, but a healthy median.

[TerrenceClarke]

I’m personally down for vet minimums. It’s forces more shrewd cap management.

What would vet min look like? X number for years?

Wouldn't a vet minimum be a one year deal?

No it would be a higher floor than $1 I assume.

[Capn'O]

If there's a vet min it should only apply to the starred/bird list. The unstarred Dusty Hannahs of the world should still be a dollar. Otherwise the whole salary structure goes out of whack.

[TerrenceClarke]

if anyone is interested, there's a guy who called jokic being the steal of the draft years ago. i found it interesting to see who he's high on in this draft.

Some nasty work outside that top 10 on a few players



He hates Cody and few other of the other top picks in most mocks.

[3toheadmelo]

if anyone is interested, there's a guy who called jokic being the steal of the draft years ago. i found it interesting to see who he's high on in this draft.

Some nasty work outside that top 10 on a few players



He hates Cody and few other of the other top picks in most mocks.

yeah, thats why i found it interesting lol. dude really hates zaccharie risacher too which i found surprising

i cant lie this had me cracking up though

42-60. Not Tidjane Salaun

[Fat]

Roster freeze starts in 2 hours!. Hit me with any offers. Beasley is my most available guy but I’m open to hear (any) last minute offers

[HerSports85]

CJ McCollum somewhat available

[DerrickNoah]

I will take on worse players for Andrew Wiggins $285/3 . He is due to have a much better season with his personal problems in the past & no Klay around.

PG: Steph / CP3?
SG: Podz / Moody
SF: Wiggins / GP2
PF: Kuminga / TJD
C: Dray / Looney

He ended the season strong. Started every game after the All-Star break. 3&D that can play three positions. April stats averaged 17ppg on .375% from 3pt.

[KnicksGadfly]

Last call for anyone interested in making a deal for Brogdon. Also interested in passing off Malaki Branham and Kendrick Nunn for 2nds.

[bishnykfan]

If there's a vet min it should only apply to the starred/bird list. The unstarred Dusty Hannahs of the world should still be a dollar. Otherwise the whole salary structure goes out of whack.

Again, I’m not advocating for a vet minimum either. It’s just the most realistic way to put more value onto second round picks in my opinion. I believe we should leave the salary structure the way it is, including second round picks. I’ve said it many times, some teams value the lotto ticket, others don’t. Nothing wrong with that.

Only thing I think I could get behind is a one year exemption for your second round pick if you still have that draft pick after the draft.

[bishnykfan]

Got stuck at work and won’t be home until late tonight now. I will update any last minute transactions either late tonight or early tomorrow.

[Context]

Got stuck at work and won’t be home until late tonight now. I will update any last minute transactions either late tonight or early tomorrow.

no worries Bish...I wish you a great work night

[Manhattan Project]

Jazz will be looking to upgrade our PF position when the time comes, if anyone has interest in Bridges let me know.

[Context]

Took this from the Suns site:
Very excited about this kid!
https://edemirnba.substack.com/p/ryan-dunn-scouting-report

While putting up historic steal and block rates, Dunn became one of the best defenders in recent college basketball history. His sophomore season makes him one of two underclassmen at 6’8” or under to put up a 10% block rate and 2.5% steal rate or better.

https://augustafreepress.com/news/ryan-dunn-is-an-elite-defender-virginia-needs-him-to-contribute-more-on-the-offensive-end/

Dunn is an ace on the defensive end. According to Synergy Sports, he allows 4.2 points per game on 28.7 percent shooting, both totals ranking in the Top 20 nationally among the 1,202 players with at least 175 defensive possessions on their ledger.

His 2.4 blocked shots per game leads the ACC, and his 7.0 rebounds per game rank 10th.

His impact on the game on defense is already NBA-level.

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/2024-nba-draft-ryan-dunn-potential-as-a-generational-defender

Dunn is a 6-foot-8 wing with an impressive 7-foot-1 wingspan and an impressive frame that looks like he will be able to add a lot of strength and proper weight. Dunn averages 2.9 steals per game which is tenth in the nation and he also averages 2.9 blocks which is fourth in the nation. No player in NCAA history has ever finished top ten in both steals and blocks per game in the same year which is just remarkable to even think about considering all the years college basketball has been around and all the phenomenal defenders we have seen in the past.

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https://www.streakingthelawn.com/2024/1/6/24026807/virginia-cavaliers-uva-basketball-virginia-basketball-reece-beekman-ryan-dunn-defense

As most Virginia fans (and NBA scouts) can tell, Dunn is a generational defensive talent.

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"Several teams have said Dunn "exceeded expectations with his shooting while also doing some absolutely mesmerizing things defensively in guarding point guards through centers in group settings."

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[DerrickNoah]

A whole page on the worst offensive player in the entire draft…. I sure hope he can play some small ball center or with a stretch 5, because this is the NBA & opponents love 4 vs 5. Probably a better defender but he makes Matisse Thybulle look like a bucket.

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Once upon a time, Ben Simmons was super exposed in the playoffs and it changed his life forever. He is a decent gamble if a warlock or wizard can fix his jumper but defensive highlights don’t show the entire story

[Context]

A whole page on the worst offensive player in the entire draft…. I sure hope he can play small ball center or play with a stretch 5, because this is the NBA, opponents love 4 vs 5. Probably a better defender but he makes Matisse Thybulle look like a bucket.

you want two more pages? I have a very high "hit" rate when I scout Thanos dont be a wise guy
Let me enjoy my food...
Anyone can learn how to shoot. You just have to have the discipline and patience and start off with about 100k shots...