ORL/POR...lets get this done already!

[orlando_joe]

I'm sick of trying to make Suggs a PG. This season he developed into a very good 3&D SG but he just is not a PG.

better to start suggs and black see what they can do...then overpay for a 1 trick pony

Which trick…5.5 assists? Is that the one?

Would have led ORL last year

even cole got 5.7 when he started in his 2nd season with 5 boards ...

[Skybox]

better to start suggs and black see what they can do...then overpay for a 1 trick pony

Which trick…5.5 assists? Is that the one?

Would have led ORL last year

even cole got 5.7 when he started in his 2nd season with 5 boards ...

He’s not Chris Paul…but your ability to disregard anything right in front of your nose to support your fear of ANY risk is the surest path back to irrelevance

[orlando_joe]

Which trick…5.5 assists? Is that the one?

Would have led ORL last year

even cole got 5.7 when he started in his 2nd season with 5 boards ...

He’s not Chris Paul…but your ability to disregard anything right in front of your nose to support your fear of ANY risk is the surest path back to irrelevance

well who would have more value around nba not magic contact and all murry,deni or simons? your offers make it seem like simons has more value
i dont see it that way i have both a first at least more pretty easy but your offers have magic paying the most for simons
i have said many times simons for a first and a couple 2nds no money to portland is fine

[Skybox]

even cole got 5.7 when he started in his 2nd season with 5 boards ...

He’s not Chris Paul…but your ability to disregard anything right in front of your nose to support your fear of ANY risk is the surest path back to irrelevance

well who would have more value around nba not magic contact and all murry,deni or simons? your offers make it seem like simons has more value
i dont see it that way i have both a first at least more pretty easy but your offers have magic paying the most for simons
i have said many times simons for a first and a couple 2nds no money to portland is fine

I’d obviously love that deal…and it may work out that way.

Honestly, I’d prefer to overpay if needed, get him relocated and in camp all summer, than watch Weltman walk away from the table, proud of his powerful negotiating tactics that never ‘lose a deal’…but also NEVER get a deal done. He’s such an obvious fit.

[orlando_joe]

He’s not Chris Paul…but your ability to disregard anything right in front of your nose to support your fear of ANY risk is the surest path back to irrelevance

well who would have more value around nba not magic contact and all murry,deni or simons? your offers make it seem like simons has more value
i dont see it that way i have both a first at least more pretty easy but your offers have magic paying the most for simons
i have said many times simons for a first and a couple 2nds no money to portland is fine

I’d obviously love that deal…and it may work out that way.

Honestly, I’d prefer to overpay if needed, get him relocated and in camp all summer, than watch Weltman walk away from the table, proud of his powerful negotiating tactics that never ‘lose a deal’…but also NEVER get a deal done. He’s such an obvious fit.

more comfortable adding houstan or xtra 2nds .if overpaying..lol..i get it

[patman66]

Why don't the Magic just sign Hield? Hield is an Ironman. They should not look for two guys who miss 1/3rd of the season. They already have 2 bigs that miss that many games every year. Keep the picks.

[orlando_joe]

switch out anthony for black and i'de take the deal

so 2 of last yrs lottery picks plus 2 first and plus 2 seconds ...simons and bad money..and lots of cap space...wow..
thats not asking much ..but i think magic still pass

[Walton1one]

If ORL misses out on George, IMO very possible, then I wonder if they pivot to Derozan on a shorter deal and then trade for Simons?

KCP is another option, but I do not view him as the missing piece for ORL, my guess is he returns to DEN

Simons for two 1sts and Houstan? Maybe Anthony is included as well for salary purposes?

[Residual-Heat]

If ORL misses out on George, IMO very possible, then I wonder if they pivot to Derozan on a shorter deal and then trade for Simons?

KCP is another option, but I do not view him as the missing piece for ORL, my guess is he returns to DEN

Simons for two 1sts and Houstan? Maybe Anthony is included as well for salary purposes?

Klay more likely than Derozan IMO.

[Residual-Heat]

Yeah, they could all use him as a sixth man off the bench and he makes too much for that role. I'd be surprised if they were even willing to offer expiring contracts tbh.

Why? He makes $25M per for two years. That’s perfect for Rockets, Orlando and Thunder. He fills a huge need and is off the Books when other big contracts come up for in house talent. Hornets are starving for talent and have plenty of space. Teams like the Clips and Memphis can give a decent young piece and a pick along with expiring salary because it flat out makes them better next year. All would value him more than expiring salary. His contract isn’t a problem imo.

I mean Simons can't start on a playoff team and playoff teams tend to not want to spend $25M on bench players. Yes, Orlando could use their cap on him, but they wouldn't have that cap space to spend on a starting PG. Memphis just declined Kennard's option at less than $15M. Color me skeptical they'll trade anything useful for a player who would play the same role and makes $10M more. The Clippers have Powell, Harden, and Mann (who they refused to trade for Harden). Why do they want Simons?

and the Hornets had Rozier who was averaging 23/6.6/4. They traded him for a 1st round pick. I doubt they'd be interested in Simons.

[Walton1one]

I would be surprised if Klay went anywhere else, but Dallas or LAL

[Roy The Natural]

I really don't think Orlando wants Simons at all. Isn't he rated like last as far as defense? I think we will go for someone not quite as good a shooter but much better on D.

i think this gets overblown some. Portland has had a reputation for awhile now of not great defense. People said the same thing about CJ McCollum and Lillard, but CJ is doing fine with the Pelicans. Is he a defensive stopper? no. But with the defensive mindset and scheming in Orlando, I believe Mosely can turn him into a passable team defender, which playing next to Suggs is all that would be needed. If Orlando goes for someone like KCP, all we are getting is an older version of Suggs with less ball handling.

To add on to this. I don't want to give the false impressions that Simons is a good defender or anything. But he has the athletic tools to be solid on that end, and he DOES try. He's not out there just not even trying. I think he can become an average defender, especially if he has the players around him to allow him to cover opponents poor offensive players.

[jredsaz]

Why? He makes $25M per for two years. That’s perfect for Rockets, Orlando and Thunder. He fills a huge need and is off the Books when other big contracts come up for in house talent. Hornets are starving for talent and have plenty of space. Teams like the Clips and Memphis can give a decent young piece and a pick along with expiring salary because it flat out makes them better next year. All would value him more than expiring salary. His contract isn’t a problem imo.

I mean Simons can't start on a playoff team and playoff teams tend to not want to spend $25M on bench players. Yes, Orlando could use their cap on him, but they wouldn't have that cap space to spend on a starting PG. Memphis just declined Kennard's option at less than $15M. Color me skeptical they'll trade anything useful for a player who would play the same role and makes $10M more. The Clippers have Powell, Harden, and Mann (who they refused to trade for Harden). Why do they want Simons?

and the Hornets had Rozier who was averaging 23/6.6/4. They traded him for a 1st round pick. I doubt they'd be interested in Simons.

Maybe not but Simons is four years younger and fits a Ball timeline better. Plus’s he still has some room to improve. I do wonder what the Hornets are planning to do. If it’s just collect second round picks for bad salary then they must not be all in on Lamelo.

[AaronB]

I really don't think Orlando wants Simons at all. Isn't he rated like last as far as defense? I think we will go for someone not quite as good a shooter but much better on D.

i think this gets overblown some. Portland has had a reputation for awhile now of not great defense. People said the same thing about CJ McCollum and Lillard, but CJ is doing fine with the Pelicans. Is he a defensive stopper? no. But with the defensive mindset and scheming in Orlando, I believe Mosely can turn him into a passable team defender, which playing next to Suggs is all that would be needed. If Orlando goes for someone like KCP, all we are getting is an older version of Suggs with less ball handling.

To add on to this. I don't want to give the false impressions that Simons is a good defender or anything. But he has the athletic tools to be solid on that end, and he DOES try. He's not out there just not even trying. I think he can become an average defender, especially if he has the players around him to allow him to cover opponents poor offensive players.

Nope. Simons is a historically bad defender. The data suggests he has the worst defense of any player this decade.

I will admit your point that he has the tools, which makes his historically bad defense even more confounding.

Fortunately, with this FA signing, Simons is off the table for the Magic and this "trade for Simons" proposals will go away.

[DiegoChara]

i think this gets overblown some. Portland has had a reputation for awhile now of not great defense. People said the same thing about CJ McCollum and Lillard, but CJ is doing fine with the Pelicans. Is he a defensive stopper? no. But with the defensive mindset and scheming in Orlando, I believe Mosely can turn him into a passable team defender, which playing next to Suggs is all that would be needed. If Orlando goes for someone like KCP, all we are getting is an older version of Suggs with less ball handling.

To add on to this. I don't want to give the false impressions that Simons is a good defender or anything. But he has the athletic tools to be solid on that end, and he DOES try. He's not out there just not even trying. I think he can become an average defender, especially if he has the players around him to allow him to cover opponents poor offensive players.

Nope. Simons is a historically bad defender. The data suggests he has the worst defense of any player this decade.

I will admit your point that he has the tools, which makes his historically bad defense even more confounding.

Fortunately, with this FA signing, Simons is off the table for the Magic and this "trade for Simons" proposals will go away.

Agreed. Thank god.