Jake Fischer: Toronto, OKC, Charlotte Possible Landing Spot for Pat Williams

[Spida888]

https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nba/chicago-bulls/bulls-news/bulls-patrick-williams-on-upcoming-restricted-free-agency-i-love-it-here/542351/

"Williams turned down a contract proposal before the season and previously said---before this injury---that he had no regrets doing so. Sources at the time indicated the Chicago Bulls’ offer was in the neighborhood of four years for $64 million with a team option, though it’s unknown if that represented a take-it-or-leave it proposal or was part of the ongoing negotiations. It’s believed Williams sought a deal in the vicinity of De’Andre Hunter’s four-year, $90 million deal with Atlanta but also might’ve come down to $20 million annually."

$80M over 4 years is still an overpay on his past production and is betting on mostly his potential. He rejected 16M AAV, so maybe something like 18M AAV can be agreed upon. If a S&T is available for Trent, I would still be down with it.

[Scase]

Hah, 100%. I assumed DD is on the way out the moment they traded for Giddey. But it's the Bulls so who knows.

Rumours from insiders are that the ownership has mandated they make a push for the playoffs. I have no idea wtf that team is doing.

that was last season. that is why they didn't trade caruso.

think they are blowing it up now.

No I mean it was quoted like a week ago or something, was on the NBA subreddit. If it wasn't the bulls, I wouldn't have believed it

EDIT: actually, went back and re-read it, I think you're right. The wording was odd. Maybe they actually are blowing it up finally.

[LoveMyRaps]

[bballsparkin]

Rumours from insiders are that the ownership has mandated they make a push for the playoffs. I have no idea wtf that team is doing.

Yeah that's been the MO of the Bulls. Hopefully for the sake of their fans they are finally blowing it up. Especially with the situation with the pick outstanding to the Spurs.

protected top 10 in first year, top 8 in second and third year, else 2028 second round pick

edit: although it is probably better for us if they keep gunning for the play in. We have the perfect vets for them in Jakob and BB Jr to help them succeed.

[CPT]

If you had to choose between Williams and Wiggins on roughly the same salary who would you choose? For me it’s easily Williams.

Why would that be the choice?

I guess I'd pick Williams, but Wiggins is regarded as one of the worst contracts in the league. I don't know if I'd want to invite that comparison.

[JB7]

If you had to choose between Williams and Wiggins on roughly the same salary who would you choose? For me it’s easily Williams.

Why would that be the choice?

I guess I'd pick Williams, but Wiggins is regarded as one of the worst contracts in the league. I don't know if I'd want to invite that comparison.

Wiggins has averaged over 18pts per game over his career, while Pat has averaged less than 10pts per game.

Wiggins has shot close to 40% from 3 on GSW, on higher volume than Pat (5-6 attempts per game vs around 3 attempts per game for Pat).

Wiggins’ D in the finals a few years ago was regarded as one of the keys to why GSW won, and ended up in him getting another deal with GSW.

Wiggins deal averages $28M over the remaining 3 years.

If Pat is getting paid close to $30M, I would probably rather have Wiggins, even though he is older.

But Wiggins might not even be available, if GSW has determined they would rather keep Wiggins than pay Klay.

[CPT]

If you had to choose between Williams and Wiggins on roughly the same salary who would you choose? For me it’s easily Williams.

Why would that be the choice?

I guess I'd pick Williams, but Wiggins is regarded as one of the worst contracts in the league. I don't know if I'd want to invite that comparison.

Wiggins has averaged over 18pts per game over his career, while Pat has averaged less than 10pts per game.

Wiggins has shot close to 40% from 3 on GSW, on higher volume than Pat (5-6 attempts per game vs around 3 attempts per game for Pat).

Wiggins’ D in the finals a few years ago was regarded as one of the keys to why GSW won, and ended up in him getting another deal with GSW.

Wiggins deal averages $28M over the remaining 3 years.

If Pat is getting paid close to $30M, I would probably rather have Wiggins, even though he is older.

My simple explanation would be Wiggins is bad, and Williams is... maybe not bad?

A lot of those Wiggins numbers do not reflect the current situation at all.

That said, I didn't assume Williams would be on Wiggins' salary. I'm still confused about why those would ever be the two options.

[ItsDanger]

Andrew Wiggins is 29. NBA peak is 27/28. Athletically, he's probably on decline already. Patrick Williams is 23 in August. Management is likely to favor players in the 22-24 age range, which is Scottie's age.

[Boogie!]

pat williams 3 and D and is young... would be great next to guys like barrett and barnes

[TheAlchemist23]

I like the court balance Pat Williams would bring. The most important thing is RJ would be back to being the 2nd smallest starter (SG) instead of SF, his bully drive game is more effective against guards than wings. Low usage, high 3pt shooting %, and potentially a good defender.

[MoneyBall]

Makes you wonder why a team like the Bulls wouldn't want to hang on to a guy like Pat Williams. He's relatively young and you're not likely going to get much for him in return in the trade market. So what gives?

[JB7]

Why would that be the choice?

I guess I'd pick Williams, but Wiggins is regarded as one of the worst contracts in the league. I don't know if I'd want to invite that comparison.

Wiggins has averaged over 18pts per game over his career, while Pat has averaged less than 10pts per game.

Wiggins has shot close to 40% from 3 on GSW, on higher volume than Pat (5-6 attempts per game vs around 3 attempts per game for Pat).

Wiggins’ D in the finals a few years ago was regarded as one of the keys to why GSW won, and ended up in him getting another deal with GSW.

Wiggins deal averages $28M over the remaining 3 years.

If Pat is getting paid close to $30M, I would probably rather have Wiggins, even though he is older.

My simple explanation would be Wiggins is bad, and Williams is... maybe not bad?

A lot of those Wiggins numbers do not reflect the current situation at all.

That said, I didn't assume Williams would be on Wiggins' salary. I'm still confused about why those would ever be the two options.

I think the reason Williams name is being floated out there is that his salary expectations are probably in the range of Wiggins salary, and the Bulls clearly don’t think he has a worth that amount.

So maybe the Bulls think if they offer him out to teams, let them talk to Pat, and show their lack of interest in his price point, maybe he drops his ask to something the Bulls can manage.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Well he got 90 over 5 years

[WuTang_CMB]

Nice for both sides tbh. 18m is still a lot. Just took the security. He should outplay it

[billy_hoyle]

90m as an RFA.

I'm guessing it would need to be $25 to $30 million for the Bulls to blink.