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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#241 » by Synciere » Sun Jun 30, 2024 2:39 am

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Synciere wrote:Maybe Philly lets Paul Reed go in their pursuit of PG.

We could pick him up for 8 or so million if Philly waives him.


Word is that the Sixers are in - or should be in - on Markannan.



As they should be! Don’t know where Philly stands asset wise though. How will they be able to beat the best offers from around the league? 23/8 from a stretch wing/big is nothing to sneeze at.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#243 » by HarthorneWingo » Sun Jun 30, 2024 4:20 am

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Synciere wrote:Maybe Philly lets Paul Reed go in their pursuit of PG.

We could pick him up for 8 or so million if Philly waives him.


Word is that the Sixers are in - or should be in - on Markannan.



As they should be! Don’t know where Philly stands asset wise though. How will they be able to beat the best offers from around the league? 23/8 from a stretch wing/big is nothing to sneeze at.


Agreed. The Sixers primary assets are draft picks and cap space. They have Paul Reed, this year’s first round pick, and some young players to add as salary filler.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#245 » by robillionaire » Sun Jun 30, 2024 1:11 pm

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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#246 » by SelbyCobra » Sun Jun 30, 2024 1:53 pm

If he signs elsewhere, the number is going to be so far beyond what the Knicks could offer that you're going to wonder why we even thought there was a chance in the first place.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#247 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Jun 30, 2024 1:56 pm

Again, whoever came up with the idea that other teams can offer more to players after a 2 year deal than their current club is an idiot. It makes no sense why the Knicks cannot match any offer
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#248 » by Knicks Byke » Sun Jun 30, 2024 2:06 pm

were trading Mitch and resigning iHart.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#249 » by Context » Sun Jun 30, 2024 2:10 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Again, whoever came up with the idea that other teams can offer more to players after a 2 year deal than their current club is an idiot. It makes no sense why the Knicks cannot match any offer

I agree 2000%...
His current value was built on two things one, the Knicks believing in him and giving him the opportunity to increase his value- and
two, the work he put in. It would seem logical that at the very least a team show be able to match that offer...
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#250 » by Richard4444 » Sun Jun 30, 2024 2:18 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Again, whoever came up with the idea that other teams can offer more to players after a 2 year deal than their current club is an idiot. It makes no sense why the Knicks cannot match any offer


The 3 years to get birds rights rule was created to avoid teams signing stars on wink-wink deals to jungle cap restrictions.

For instance: The team gives a 2-year MLE to a young star. After getting his full bird's rights, the team gives him a max contract.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#251 » by Context » Sun Jun 30, 2024 2:31 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:Again, whoever came up with the idea that other teams can offer more to players after a 2 year deal than their current club is an idiot. It makes no sense why the Knicks cannot match any offer


The 3 years to get birds rights rule was created to avoid teams signing stars on wink-wink deals to jungle cap restrictions.

For instance: The team gives a 2-year MLE to a young star. After getting his full bird's rights, the team gives him a max contract.

Rich, OG's max he could have gotten was $245 million right?
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#252 » by TrueWarrior » Sun Jun 30, 2024 2:34 pm

SelbyCobra wrote:If he signs elsewhere, the number is going to be so far beyond what the Knicks could offer that you're going to wonder why we even thought there was a chance in the first place.


Patrick Williams just re-signed with Chicago for 5/90, which is the same as the 18 mill a year we can offer Isaiah. Claxton got 4/100.

At this point I’ll be surprised if Big Hart returns. He’s the best center on the market. Can do a lot of things. Just turned 26, with low mileage and some more potential. He’s easily worth 22-25 mill in this new climate. So it’s just a matter of who offers him that, and if he thinks he can make the money up here in the long run. Hopefully he likes this team and city that much.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#253 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sun Jun 30, 2024 2:34 pm

SelbyCobra wrote:If he signs elsewhere, the number is going to be so far beyond what the Knicks could offer that you're going to wonder why we even thought there was a chance in the first place.


If he was on any other team the rumors would be minimal. This list of major offers from other teams just doesn't really fly IMO. He is a solid player. He's the best center available on the market. He also has that achilles issue. Is he supposed to get all star offers or some wild number in that range? 4/100 is the most I would give him if he was %100 healthy and played every game. What teams are offering him that? Of those teams, which are in better position to win than us? That's all it comes down to IMO. I doubt he gets anything over that number. Unless a team is trying to bust up our mojo.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#254 » by Richard4444 » Sun Jun 30, 2024 2:38 pm

Context wrote:
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MrDollarBills wrote:Again, whoever came up with the idea that other teams can offer more to players after a 2 year deal than their current club is an idiot. It makes no sense why the Knicks cannot match any offer


The 3 years to get birds rights rule was created to avoid teams signing stars on wink-wink deals to jungle cap restrictions.

For instance: The team gives a 2-year MLE to a young star. After getting his full bird's rights, the team gives him a max contract.

Rich, OG's max he could have gotten was $245 million right?


I do think so.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#255 » by StlHawksFan » Sun Jun 30, 2024 2:54 pm

Thank you to PG13 for opting out. Now everyone is waiting to see if they can sign him which gives the Knicks more time to try to lock down iHart.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#256 » by Richard4444 » Sun Jun 30, 2024 3:00 pm

StlHawksFan wrote:Thank you to PG13 for opting out. Now everyone is waiting to see if they can sign him which gives the Knicks more time to try to lock down iHart.


I think IHart is waiting for an offer from Orlando. And Orlando is waiting for the PG13 decision.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#257 » by 3toheadmelo » Sun Jun 30, 2024 3:00 pm

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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#258 » by BrOnXKing1 » Sun Jun 30, 2024 3:05 pm

Lets say resigning Harkenstein is not doable bc of the apron hard cap. Can the Knicks still resign Precious or Burks under this hard cap?
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#259 » by JayTWill » Sun Jun 30, 2024 3:18 pm

What is the shortest deal the Knicks can offer iHart and obtain his bird rights? If iHart was to return on a 4 year contract i'm assuming he would want a player option so he could re-negotiate his contract at a higher amount as soon as possible.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#260 » by aggo » Sun Jun 30, 2024 3:20 pm

Well?

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