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Post#81 » by Jay81 » Sun Jun 30, 2024 2:27 am

NatP4 wrote:
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tontoz wrote:As soon as i saw him take a few pullup jumpers i was like...i get it.

That was it for me as well. Being able to get your spot, quickly rise up and consistently make shots with a hand in your face is a very valuable skill in the NBA.


Any explanation for Carrington posting a 49% EFG, 53% TS, 32% from 3, not drawing fouls, averaging a minuscule 1.3 rim attempts per 40 minutes, only 50% at the rim, ranking him 16th percentile in half court rim attempts, posting a 3.9 BPM(last among all drafted PGs besides Bronny James), only 15 points per 36, and a grand total of 19 steals and 8 blocks across 33 games 1100 minutes played?


he hit a wall middle of the season--had a 4-16 game followed by 0-10 game followed by 3-9 game and a 2-11 game

9-46 stretch....take that out and he and he is more like a 45% shooter
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Post#82 » by payitforward » Sun Jun 30, 2024 3:32 am

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payitforward wrote:A lot of that commentary amounted to saying, "If he improves, he'll be better," which translates to "if he gets better, he'll be better."

Not exactly penetrating commentary.

Don't get me wrong -- I have high hopes for young Mr. Carrington. All the same we'll just have to wait & see, won't we?

C’mon PIF. Don’t be such a curmudgeon. Poster goes through the trouble of breaking down the strengths and weaknesses of our future all-star (even using #s)…and you diss him.

You're right.

I apologize to you, Frichuela -- & even more to future first ballot HOF'er Bub!!
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Post#83 » by doclinkin » Sun Jun 30, 2024 4:39 am



Kid has a frame that will fill out. Idk if he grows more but he has room to get stronger. He’s not scared to bump and bang a bit to get space to get his jumper off. Uses his body well to wall off defenders. I do wish we had Sam Cassell to show him guard post moves down low. He may not have the explosion to score over players but as he gets stronger he may have the muscle to pound through weaker guards. I’ll be interested to see if his defense can also improve with strength and focus.
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Post#84 » by prime1time » Sun Jun 30, 2024 9:40 am

Watching more film on Carrington, a couple things stand out. First his best skill is his ball handling. Imo, his ball handling serves as the foundation of his entire game. He always has the ball on a string. Complete comfort. He has no problem getting to his spot and then attacking the defense. He lacks elite physical gifts so he works out of the PnR/Screen game. But because of his ball handling and his skillset he just takes what the defense gives him. If the defense goes under the screen, he'll shoot the 3. If the big is playing drop coverage and the guard trails him over the screen he'll go full on CP3 and get take the short midrange pull-up. Near the end of the season, he seemed to be more willing to attack the hoop but it doesn't seem to be something he feels comfortable with.

Also of note is that this offseason he's working on his set 3-point shooting and his float game. Watching an interview Carrington said that he attempted only 4 or 5 floaters this year. If he can add floaters to his game, it'll make him that much harder to stop because it gives him another weapon to use in the PnR.

Imo, Carrington is good enough right now to contribute in the NBA. His ball handling makes it so. One thing that makes Carrington success in the PNR so impressive is that there's so much less spacing in College Basketball. There will be more space in the NBA for him to work. In the NBA athletic bigs are lob threats.

One cool thing to see in the game is the chess match between Carrington and the defense. Pitt will run the same play multiple times and attack based on what the defense gives them. They'll run a set play where Carrington comes off the screen and knocks down a 3. Then they'll run a set play where, because Carrington knocks down the 3 the big steps up, and then Carrington drops off a quick pocket pass to a rolling big. Then they'll run a set play and Carrington will whip the ball into the corner because the 3 man helped off. Then they'll come back to the same play and Carrington will snake for a mid-range jumper.

At some point this season, Carrington and Sarr will run the PnR game and you're going to see the future of the Wizards.
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Re: Bub Carrington 

Post#86 » by DCZards » Sun Jun 30, 2024 12:53 pm

prime1time wrote:One cool thing to see in the game is the chess match between Carrington and the defense. Pitt will run the same play multiple times and attack based on what the defense gives them. They'll run a set play where Carrington comes off the screen and knocks down a 3. Then they'll run a set play where, because Carrington knocks down the 3 the big steps up, and then Carrington drops off a quick pocket pass to a rolling big. Then they'll run a set play and Carrington will whip the ball into the corner because the 3 man helped off. Then they'll come back to the same play and Carrington will snake for a mid-range jumper.

I’ve seen 2-3 interviews/scouting reports with Bub where he was asked to break down film of him playing. I was very impressed by how well he was able to articulate and explain what was going on when he had the ball in his hands and why he made the decisions that he did. Kid has a tremendous amount of bball smarts…especially for an 18 yr old.
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Post#87 » by tontoz » Sun Jun 30, 2024 1:45 pm

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prime1time wrote:One cool thing to see in the game is the chess match between Carrington and the defense. Pitt will run the same play multiple times and attack based on what the defense gives them. They'll run a set play where Carrington comes off the screen and knocks down a 3. Then they'll run a set play where, because Carrington knocks down the 3 the big steps up, and then Carrington drops off a quick pocket pass to a rolling big. Then they'll run a set play and Carrington will whip the ball into the corner because the 3 man helped off. Then they'll come back to the same play and Carrington will snake for a mid-range jumper.

I’ve seen 2-3 interviews/scouting reports with Bub where he was asked to break down film of him playing. I was very impressed by how well he was able to articulate and explain what was going on when he had the ball in his hands and why he made the decisions that he did. Kid has a tremendous amount of bball smarts…especially for an 18 yr old.



His father is a coach which obviously helps.
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Re: Bub Carrington 

Post#88 » by nate33 » Sun Jun 30, 2024 2:54 pm

prime1time wrote:Watching more film on Carrington, a couple things stand out. First his best skill is his ball handling. Imo, his ball handling serves as the foundation of his entire game. He always has the ball on a string. Complete comfort. He has no problem getting to his spot and then attacking the defense. He lacks elite physical gifts so he works out of the PnR/Screen game. But because of his ball handling and his skillset he just takes what the defense gives him. If the defense goes under the screen, he'll shoot the 3. If the big is playing drop coverage and the guard trails him over the screen he'll go full on CP3 and get take the short midrange pull-up. Near the end of the season, he seemed to be more willing to attack the hoop but it doesn't seem to be something he feels comfortable with.

Also of note is that this offseason he's working on his set 3-point shooting and his float game. Watching an interview Carrington said that he attempted only 4 or 5 floaters this year. If he can add floaters to his game, it'll make him that much harder to stop because it gives him another weapon to use in the PnR.

Imo, Carrington is good enough right now to contribute in the NBA. His ball handling makes it so. One thing that makes Carrington success in the PNR so impressive is that there's so much less spacing in College Basketball. There will be more space in the NBA for him to work. In the NBA athletic bigs are lob threats.

One cool thing to see in the game is the chess match between Carrington and the defense. Pitt will run the same play multiple times and attack based on what the defense gives them. They'll run a set play where Carrington comes off the screen and knocks down a 3. Then they'll run a set play where, because Carrington knocks down the 3 the big steps up, and then Carrington drops off a quick pocket pass to a rolling big. Then they'll run a set play and Carrington will whip the ball into the corner because the 3 man helped off. Then they'll come back to the same play and Carrington will snake for a mid-range jumper.

At some point this season, Carrington and Sarr will run the PnR game and you're going to see the future of the Wizards.

I think the development of his floater game will be key. I'm pretty confident in his pull-up jumper becoming a weapon. It will become so much of a weapon that teams will scheme to take away the shot and force him to drive. At the moment, that strategy is sure to be effective because Carrington is a terrible finisher around the rim. But if Carrington develops an effective floater, I think he could become a difference-maker on offense - potentially a number 2 option. And with his size and length, he should become adequate defensively.
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Post#89 » by daSwami » Sun Jun 30, 2024 4:59 pm

I watched the intro press conference and I like Bub already - he gave thoughtful answers and oozes positivity.
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Post#90 » by tontoz » Sun Jun 30, 2024 5:23 pm

In case anyone missed it from the vid in the OP, Bub shot 50% on 2 pt jumpers off the dribble. There aren't many guys in the NBA who can do that. Off the top of my head Durant/SGA/DeRozan/CP3 can but I don't think there are many others.
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Post#91 » by badinage » Sun Jun 30, 2024 5:26 pm

Jay81 wrote:
NatP4 wrote:
DCZards wrote:That was it for me as well. Being able to get your spot, quickly rise up and consistently make shots with a hand in your face is a very valuable skill in the NBA.


Any explanation for Carrington posting a 49% EFG, 53% TS, 32% from 3, not drawing fouls, averaging a minuscule 1.3 rim attempts per 40 minutes, only 50% at the rim, ranking him 16th percentile in half court rim attempts, posting a 3.9 BPM(last among all drafted PGs besides Bronny James), only 15 points per 36, and a grand total of 19 steals and 8 blocks across 33 games 1100 minutes played?


he hit a wall middle of the season--had a 4-16 game followed by 0-10 game followed by 3-9 game and a 2-11 game

9-46 stretch....take that out and he and he is more like a 45% shooter


Take out the really poor stretch between Kristallnacht and the death camps, and Hitler was a middling artist with big dreams.
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Re: Bub Carrington 

Post#92 » by DCZards » Sun Jun 30, 2024 5:46 pm

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Any explanation for Carrington posting a 49% EFG, 53% TS, 32% from 3, not drawing fouls, averaging a minuscule 1.3 rim attempts per 40 minutes, only 50% at the rim, ranking him 16th percentile in half court rim attempts, posting a 3.9 BPM(last among all drafted PGs besides Bronny James), only 15 points per 36, and a grand total of 19 steals and 8 blocks across 33 games 1100 minutes played?


he hit a wall middle of the season--had a 4-16 game followed by 0-10 game followed by 3-9 game and a 2-11 game

9-46 stretch....take that out and he and he is more like a 45% shooter


Take out the really poor stretch between Kristallnacht and the death camps, and Hitler was a middling artist with big dreams.

Bro, I know it’s been a few tough days for you. But you might want to reconsider this post.
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Post#93 » by closg00 » Sun Jun 30, 2024 6:59 pm

I went-through the 4 stages of grief over deny, now I am excited to get behind this kid
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Post#94 » by AFM » Sun Jun 30, 2024 7:57 pm

badinage wrote:
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Any explanation for Carrington posting a 49% EFG, 53% TS, 32% from 3, not drawing fouls, averaging a minuscule 1.3 rim attempts per 40 minutes, only 50% at the rim, ranking him 16th percentile in half court rim attempts, posting a 3.9 BPM(last among all drafted PGs besides Bronny James), only 15 points per 36, and a grand total of 19 steals and 8 blocks across 33 games 1100 minutes played?


he hit a wall middle of the season--had a 4-16 game followed by 0-10 game followed by 3-9 game and a 2-11 game

9-46 stretch....take that out and he and he is more like a 45% shooter


Take out the really poor stretch between Kristallnacht and the death camps, and Hitler was a middling artist with big dreams.


Are you okay? This is a borderline insane post. I’m actually going to put you on ignore.
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Post#95 » by nate33 » Sun Jun 30, 2024 9:50 pm

tontoz wrote:In case anyone missed it from the vid in the OP, Bub shot 50% on 2 pt jumpers off the dribble. There aren't many guys in the NBA who can do that. Off the top of my head Durant/SGA/DeRozan/CP3 can but I don't think there are many others.

Exactly.

To be a star, you need a go to move that you can get to whenever you want and hit it at an efficiency close to league average. Bub has that - or at least he is pretty close. He needs to develop a few counters for when defenses key on that pull-up, but the blueprint is there.

I don't know if Bub will pan out to be an actual star player, but at least he does have that potential. Given our current roster, I'm much happier with a high ceiling guy like Bub rather than a low-ceiling/high-floor guy like Devin Carter.
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Post#96 » by prime1time » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:44 am

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prime1time wrote:Watching more film on Carrington, a couple things stand out. First his best skill is his ball handling. Imo, his ball handling serves as the foundation of his entire game. He always has the ball on a string. Complete comfort. He has no problem getting to his spot and then attacking the defense. He lacks elite physical gifts so he works out of the PnR/Screen game. But because of his ball handling and his skillset he just takes what the defense gives him. If the defense goes under the screen, he'll shoot the 3. If the big is playing drop coverage and the guard trails him over the screen he'll go full on CP3 and get take the short midrange pull-up. Near the end of the season, he seemed to be more willing to attack the hoop but it doesn't seem to be something he feels comfortable with.

Also of note is that this offseason he's working on his set 3-point shooting and his float game. Watching an interview Carrington said that he attempted only 4 or 5 floaters this year. If he can add floaters to his game, it'll make him that much harder to stop because it gives him another weapon to use in the PnR.

Imo, Carrington is good enough right now to contribute in the NBA. His ball handling makes it so. One thing that makes Carrington success in the PNR so impressive is that there's so much less spacing in College Basketball. There will be more space in the NBA for him to work. In the NBA athletic bigs are lob threats.

One cool thing to see in the game is the chess match between Carrington and the defense. Pitt will run the same play multiple times and attack based on what the defense gives them. They'll run a set play where Carrington comes off the screen and knocks down a 3. Then they'll run a set play where, because Carrington knocks down the 3 the big steps up, and then Carrington drops off a quick pocket pass to a rolling big. Then they'll run a set play and Carrington will whip the ball into the corner because the 3 man helped off. Then they'll come back to the same play and Carrington will snake for a mid-range jumper.

At some point this season, Carrington and Sarr will run the PnR game and you're going to see the future of the Wizards.

I think the development of his floater game will be key. I'm pretty confident in his pull-up jumper becoming a weapon. It will become so much of a weapon that teams will scheme to take away the shot and force him to drive. At the moment, that strategy is sure to be effective because Carrington is a terrible finisher around the rim. But if Carrington develops an effective floater, I think he could become a difference-maker on offense - potentially a number 2 option. And with his size and length, he should become adequate defensively.

Terrible is a strong word. He can finish with both hands. He has vertical leaping ability if he wants to. 6'4 195 isn't that skinny. And I expect him to put on more weight. Imo his finishing ability is mediocre. If a big is going to contest, he might not make it. But we've seen numerous players in the NBA who can only finish with one hand. That isn't Bub. It's hard not to watch the UNC game and think that he can play right now in the NBA imo.
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Re: Bub Carrington 

Post#97 » by prime1time » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:46 am

A lot of Pitt's full games are online if anyone wants to watch. The notion that he's some super raw prospect doesn't make sense to me imo.


Bookmark this post. The way Bub is playing will work in the NBA. Freedom of movement, NBA spacing etc. The lack of elite defenders.
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Post#98 » by prime1time » Mon Jul 1, 2024 2:01 am

Another aspect of Bub's game that needs to be talked about is his turnover percentage. For the season Bub averaged 1.9 to's a game. Imo, this is connected directly to his high level ball handling skills. Bub, at a young age, has a great feel for playing at his own pace, getting to his spot and rising up. I think the good midrange numbers he has, is more so a function of him having the ability to methodically get to his spot and take the shot he wants than him just being an elite shooter.

The set 3-point shot is a big question mark for him. Without the ability to knock down 3's consistently, it's going to be tough to get him on the court because we're not going to simply give him the ball and relentlessly let him PnR. So as much as I would like to see him play early, I expect the Wiz to take him slow and let him develop his off the ball game.

I was watching an interview and he said that during the season he would get into his head when shooting open 3's during the season and that he felt more comfortable shooting defended 3's since it's just read and react. He went on to say that since he's been in draft workouts, he feels a lot more comfortable shooting set 3's and that he feels comfortable at the 3-point line. I guess we'll see.
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Post#99 » by badinage » Mon Jul 1, 2024 2:51 am

closg00 wrote:I went-through the 4 stages of grief over deny, now I am excited to get behind this kid


I’m where Doc is.

I’m excited for CC’s future. AND I’m pissed and dismayed about jettisoning Deni Avdija.
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Post#100 » by badinage » Mon Jul 1, 2024 2:58 am

AFM wrote:
badinage wrote:
Jay81 wrote:
he hit a wall middle of the season--had a 4-16 game followed by 0-10 game followed by 3-9 game and a 2-11 game

9-46 stretch....take that out and he and he is more like a 45% shooter


Take out the really poor stretch between Kristallnacht and the death camps, and Hitler was a middling artist with big dreams.


Are you okay? This is a borderline insane post. I’m actually going to put you on ignore.


Okay, okay — Jesus. Having a little (gallows) fun.

Won’t do it again. Promise. (No gallows fun!)

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