Dallas Mavericks 2024 Trade thread

[arkuo]

I somehow get the feeling thay adding Klay to this team would be like adding an older Ray Allen. To that effect. We'll see.

[Mr B]

Whoa this is a big deal. Could we do BAE for Grimes, 16.2 mil TPE for someone like KCP or Klay and then MLE for DJJ?

Or do we need to move one or 2 of Green or Kleber? Very interesting.

If Mavs trade anyone into 16.2M TPE, they'll be hard capped. No MLE available. It's basically, can Nico get a better player for more money or just resign DJJ for less and still have some minimal cap flexibility.

Then in order to resign DJJ, Nico would need to find more trades to free up enough salary to create free room for full MLE. Which means Green/Maxi trades with less cap coming back. (i didn't do full calculations, just giving you example how to get back full MLE back).

I did them earlier. If Dallas wants to use Grimes in the BAE and therefore have the MLE and the 16.193 million TPE then they have to dump a little more than 12 million. Which means dumping Green into space or dumping Kleber into space and cutting Lawson.

Detroit might take Green into space and give us some 2nds.

I read that Detroit is collecting 2nd round picks with the hope of turning them into a 1st round pick. So I don’t think they will be willing to send us any 2nd round picks.

[BeiBeau]

Bad start, Maxi isn't a center.
He is a power forward who scores one 3 points a game despite everybody in the world left him wide open. Wow.
Plus he is always injuried.

A lot of posters here act like he is Al Horford, he is not.

We need good players along Luka, not those scrubs.

Weird to try and get pedantic but still be wrong. Basketball is positionless so he’s literally both. Yeah he doesn’t score much, but he’s offering versatility.

Yes, basketball is positionless,but in the last two seasons Maxis contribution has been little to none...he's always injured, he's not as good on D as he was and he's afraid to shot....he should be traded this offseason and replaced with someone else...for what he's given you the last two seasons you can get a Player on a veteran minimum

Maxi has consistently been a on court positive and anyone who says otherwise is just flat incorrect. His is injured often and that sucks. He does pass on shots too much but the flip side to that is he has no danger of becoming THJ. He still averages 5 shots per game in the playoffs. He’s Maxi Kleber not Dirk Nowitzki, 5 shots per game is enough for him. And yes his defense has lost a step, but he is still well beyond positive on that end.

[ACMFFL]

Klay at 44/3 is not a bad deal, if DJJ settles at 49/4, we could unlock the BAE too even though we would have to renounce to the 15th spot. And obv that's assuming Josh get dealt.
But I feel he will end up in LA..I dont even remember the last time a FA has chosen us over the Fakers.

[BliscoSantos]

Weird to try and get pedantic but still be wrong. Basketball is positionless so he’s literally both. Yeah he doesn’t score much, but he’s offering versatility.

Yes, basketball is positionless,but in the last two seasons Maxis contribution has been little to none...he's always injured, he's not as good on D as he was and he's afraid to shot....he should be traded this offseason and replaced with someone else...for what he's given you the last two seasons you can get a Player on a veteran minimum

Maxi has consistently been a on court positive and anyone who says otherwise is just flat incorrect. His is injured often and that sucks. He does pass on shots too much but the flip side to that is he has no danger of becoming THJ. He still averages 5 shots per game in the playoffs. He’s Maxi Kleber not Dirk Nowitzki, 5 shots per game is enough for him. And yes his defense has lost a step, but he is still well beyond positive on that end.

No he's not,not on that contract....this team played a lot better with him and THJ out of the lineup...he's far from the Player he once was...to slow for smaller Players ,not strong enough for C's...he's a good help defender but his 1 on 1 D was always overrated(like Greens) because most of the other Players were simply terrible on D ,and he was solid

[BeiBeau]

Klay at 44/3 is not a bad deal, if DJJ settles at 49/4, we could unlock the BAE too even though we would have to renounce to the 15th spot. And obv that's assuming Josh get dealt.
But I feel he will end up in LA..I dont even remember the last time a FA has chosen us over the Fakers.

If we get Klay it’s probably gonna be 3/75

[BeiBeau]

Yes, basketball is positionless,but in the last two seasons Maxis contribution has been little to none...he's always injured, he's not as good on D as he was and he's afraid to shot....he should be traded this offseason and replaced with someone else...for what he's given you the last two seasons you can get a Player on a veteran minimum

Maxi has consistently been a on court positive and anyone who says otherwise is just flat incorrect. His is injured often and that sucks. He does pass on shots too much but the flip side to that is he has no danger of becoming THJ. He still averages 5 shots per game in the playoffs. He’s Maxi Kleber not Dirk Nowitzki, 5 shots per game is enough for him. And yes his defense has lost a step, but he is still well beyond positive on that end.

No he's not,not on that contract....this team played a lot better with him and THJ out of the lineup...he's far from the Player he once was...to slow for smaller Players ,not strong enough for C's...he's a good help defender but his 1 on 1 D was always overrated(like Greens) because most of the other Players were simply terrible on D ,and he was solid

I’ll just let you be wrong on this

[tleikheen]

https://www.fieldhousefiles.com/p/pacers-jalen-smith-declines-player-option-source

24 yrs old , 6'9" 10 pts /17 minutes , 59/42/69 shooting

Get rid of Maxi and get Jalen Smith and promote OMax as a rotation piece. Mavs don't need 30 million a yr players after already making it to the NBA Finals without them.

[BliscoSantos]

Maxi has consistently been a on court positive and anyone who says otherwise is just flat incorrect. His is injured often and that sucks. He does pass on shots too much but the flip side to that is he has no danger of becoming THJ. He still averages 5 shots per game in the playoffs. He’s Maxi Kleber not Dirk Nowitzki, 5 shots per game is enough for him. And yes his defense has lost a step, but he is still well beyond positive on that end.

No he's not,not on that contract....this team played a lot better with him and THJ out of the lineup...he's far from the Player he once was...to slow for smaller Players ,not strong enough for C's...he's a good help defender but his 1 on 1 D was always overrated(like Greens) because most of the other Players were simply terrible on D ,and he was solid

I’ll just let you be wrong on this

He was good 5 years ago(there are some highlights on YouTube) but he's way past being as mobile as he was back then(slower), he's injury prone,and he's afraid to shoot... he's making good money, he's Just not backing his contract with his play

[Archx]

Yes, basketball is positionless,but in the last two seasons Maxis contribution has been little to none...he's always injured, he's not as good on D as he was and he's afraid to shot....he should be traded this offseason and replaced with someone else...for what he's given you the last two seasons you can get a Player on a veteran minimum

Maxi has consistently been a on court positive and anyone who says otherwise is just flat incorrect. His is injured often and that sucks. He does pass on shots too much but the flip side to that is he has no danger of becoming THJ. He still averages 5 shots per game in the playoffs. He’s Maxi Kleber not Dirk Nowitzki, 5 shots per game is enough for him. And yes his defense has lost a step, but he is still well beyond positive on that end.

No he's not,not on that contract....this team played a lot better with him and THJ out of the lineup...he's far from the Player he once was...to slow for smaller Players ,not strong enough for C's...he's a good help defender but his 1 on 1 D was always overrated(like Greens) because most of the other Players were simply terrible on D ,and he was solid

That's not entirely correct though. Mavs rating with him in the lineup was actually quite good. +6 and even in playoffs +3. But that was only when he was used as a PF, which is his natural position. Offense is severly lacking with him but defense and hustle was always there.

The thing that bothered me the most when some people here said he's a stretch 5, he just doesn't take enough shots, even open ones. And this is where the actual problem occurs. Often Mavs don't have enough pure offense on the floor and you need guys to simply take shots and when Maxi was passing them on, you could see Luka getting frustrated and told him to shoot.

So, at 11M, can Mavs get a similar player for less money? Probably yes.

[Mr B]

Klay at 44/3 is not a bad deal, if DJJ settles at 49/4, we could unlock the BAE too even though we would have to renounce to the 15th spot. And obv that's assuming Josh get dealt.
But I feel he will end up in LA..I dont even remember the last time a FA has chosen us over the Fakers.

Yea I think Klay likely ends up in LA too. That doesn’t mean that the Mavs won’t get anyone. I still feel guys like Middleton, Tobias Harris, or Cam Johnson will be made available (not the mention Jeremi Grant is still available) and might be better fits for what the Mavs need.

[BeiBeau]

https://www.fieldhousefiles.com/p/pacers-jalen-smith-declines-player-option-source

24 yrs old , 6'9" 10 pts /17 minutes , 59/42/69 shooting

Get rid of Maxi and get Jalen Smith and promote OMax as a rotation piece. Mavs don't need 30 million a yr players after already making it to the NBA Finals without them.

He’s gonna get the MLE. So it’s him or DJJ.

Starting SF and POA defense is much more important then bench big and stretch 5. Especially if we have Maxi already who can provide some of what he does, and hopefully OMax is ready to start taking some of Maxi’s role and we can use Maxi as a expiring for a upgrade next year.

Or trade him this year for Klay or Wiggins.

[BliscoSantos]

Maxi has consistently been a on court positive and anyone who says otherwise is just flat incorrect. His is injured often and that sucks. He does pass on shots too much but the flip side to that is he has no danger of becoming THJ. He still averages 5 shots per game in the playoffs. He’s Maxi Kleber not Dirk Nowitzki, 5 shots per game is enough for him. And yes his defense has lost a step, but he is still well beyond positive on that end.

No he's not,not on that contract....this team played a lot better with him and THJ out of the lineup...he's far from the Player he once was...to slow for smaller Players ,not strong enough for C's...he's a good help defender but his 1 on 1 D was always overrated(like Greens) because most of the other Players were simply terrible on D ,and he was solid

That's not entirely correct though. Mavs rating with him in the lineup was actually quite good. +6 and even in playoffs +3. But that was only when he was used as a PF, which is his natural position. Offense is severly lacking with him but defense and hustle was always there.

The thing that bothered me the most when some people here said he's a stretch 5, he just doesn't take enough shots, even open ones. And this is where the actual problem occurs. Often Mavs don't have enough pure offense on the floor and you need guys to simply take shots and when Maxi was passing them on, you could see Luka getting frustrated and told him to shoot.

So, at 11M, can Mavs get a similar player for less money? Probably yes.

Didn't Powell also have solid +/- rating...I mean,for as bad as he was,he had solid rating,I think (someone wrote that once...I remember Reading it somewhere,but didn't check it out...so it could be wrong)

[BeiBeau]

No he's not,not on that contract....this team played a lot better with him and THJ out of the lineup...he's far from the Player he once was...to slow for smaller Players ,not strong enough for C's...he's a good help defender but his 1 on 1 D was always overrated(like Greens) because most of the other Players were simply terrible on D ,and he was solid

That's not entirely correct though. Mavs rating with him in the lineup was actually quite good. +6 and even in playoffs +3. But that was only when he was used as a PF, which is his natural position. Offense is severly lacking with him but defense and hustle was always there.

The thing that bothered me the most when some people here said he's a stretch 5, he just doesn't take enough shots, even open ones. And this is where the actual problem occurs. Often Mavs don't have enough pure offense on the floor and you need guys to simply take shots and when Maxi was passing them on, you could see Luka getting frustrated and told him to shoot.

So, at 11M, can Mavs get a similar player for less money? Probably yes.

Didn't Powell also have solid +/- rating...I mean,for as bad as he was,he had solid rating,I think (someone wrote that once...I remember Reading it somewhere,but didn't check it out...so it could be wrong)

You’re misremembering it. In 2022-23 mathematically, Dallas was at their best that season when Powell was playing at the 5, over JaVale, Wood, and Kleber(Kleber was still better as a 4 then Powell as a 5).

That’s not saying Powell was a on court positive, only that of the options available he was the best of a horrendous situation, which is why Mavs fans hate him. Powell was always on the court because he was out preforming the garbage that was on the bench. It was his face Mavs fans saw when they thought of those terrible years of center play, so they blamed him when in fact he was doing more to help then anyone.

[BliscoSantos]

That's not entirely correct though. Mavs rating with him in the lineup was actually quite good. +6 and even in playoffs +3. But that was only when he was used as a PF, which is his natural position. Offense is severly lacking with him but defense and hustle was always there.

The thing that bothered me the most when some people here said he's a stretch 5, he just doesn't take enough shots, even open ones. And this is where the actual problem occurs. Often Mavs don't have enough pure offense on the floor and you need guys to simply take shots and when Maxi was passing them on, you could see Luka getting frustrated and told him to shoot.

So, at 11M, can Mavs get a similar player for less money? Probably yes.

Didn't Powell also have solid +/- rating...I mean,for as bad as he was,he had solid rating,I think (someone wrote that once...I remember Reading it somewhere,but didn't check it out...so it could be wrong)

You’re misremembering it. In 2022-23 mathematically, Dallas was at their best that season when Powell was playing at the 5, over JaVale, Wood, and Kleber(Kleber was still better as a 4 then Powell as a 5).

That’s not saying Powell was a on court positive, only that of the options available he was the best of a horrendous situation, which is why Mavs fans hate him. Powell was always on the court because he was out preforming the garbage that was on the bench. It was his face Mavs fans saw when they thought of those terrible years of center play, so they blamed him when in fact he was doing more to help then anyone.

Yes,but now that Maxi is bad isn't it reasonable to assume that someone else could give them more in his role?

[Archx]

No he's not,not on that contract....this team played a lot better with him and THJ out of the lineup...he's far from the Player he once was...to slow for smaller Players ,not strong enough for C's...he's a good help defender but his 1 on 1 D was always overrated(like Greens) because most of the other Players were simply terrible on D ,and he was solid

That's not entirely correct though. Mavs rating with him in the lineup was actually quite good. +6 and even in playoffs +3. But that was only when he was used as a PF, which is his natural position. Offense is severly lacking with him but defense and hustle was always there.

The thing that bothered me the most when some people here said he's a stretch 5, he just doesn't take enough shots, even open ones. And this is where the actual problem occurs. Often Mavs don't have enough pure offense on the floor and you need guys to simply take shots and when Maxi was passing them on, you could see Luka getting frustrated and told him to shoot.

So, at 11M, can Mavs get a similar player for less money? Probably yes.

Didn't Powell also have solid +/- rating...I mean,for as bad as he was,he had solid rating,I think (someone wrote that once...I remember Reading it somewhere,but didn't check it out...so it could be wrong)

You're absolutely correct but with guys like Powell, there are other things that have to be taken into consideration. Minutes played and role.

Powell was good enough regular season player who regulary averaged over 20mpg. But then his minutes and production dropped a lot in playoffs. His playtime was always matched with Doncic's and other better Mavs players, so you could argue that his On/Off got drastically carried by the lineup combinations. But because playoffs are such a non factor for him yet still has high On/Off, i can safely say combined with the eye test that Dwight's impact was not as big in reality as it is on paper.

Maxi on the other hand had a different role, played more minutes and with various lineup combinations and his impact on defense was bigger than Powell's.

But i'm only talking about Maxi this season, other seasons in playoffs his impact was not that good.

[BeiBeau]

Didn't Powell also have solid +/- rating...I mean,for as bad as he was,he had solid rating,I think (someone wrote that once...I remember Reading it somewhere,but didn't check it out...so it could be wrong)

You’re misremembering it. In 2022-23 mathematically, Dallas was at their best that season when Powell was playing at the 5, over JaVale, Wood, and Kleber(Kleber was still better as a 4 then Powell as a 5).

That’s not saying Powell was a on court positive, only that of the options available he was the best of a horrendous situation, which is why Mavs fans hate him. Powell was always on the court because he was out preforming the garbage that was on the bench. It was his face Mavs fans saw when they thought of those terrible years of center play, so they blamed him when in fact he was doing more to help then anyone.

Yes,but now that Maxi is bad isn't it reasonable to assume that someone else could give them more in his role?

Again this is where you’re just flat out completely wrong. Maxi is still a on court positive with his still positive versatile defense and because he gives them a different look offensively for when things get stagnant.

If you want to lose DJJ then sure they could upgrade from him. But considering we know they’re going to bring back DJJ they have no way of upgrading him.

Someone else could give more in his role. Unfortunately, getting an upgrade right now is about as likely as Dallas getting Giannis.

So the option is Maxi or nothing. And all of the fans on this board who would pick nothing are just showing they don’t understand basketball.

[BeiBeau]

The best hope for a Maxi Kleber upgrade this season is a OMax breakout season(or Wiggins trade I’m not giving up). Or we could not bring DJJ back.

Anything else that you are all hoping for is just completely unrealistic and not in line with reality.

[HMFFL]

What value are we willing to include to be rid of Maxi? Draft Picks? Or, waiting until he's expiring after next season?

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[41Dirk41]

Find another bench center in the league who can switch 1 through 5 and shoots 40% from 3 in the playoffs.

He was much more willing to shoot before the shoulder injury. He was 10 of 18 from 3 in the clippers series and then 2 of 10 in the last 7 games. Maxi is for sure too deferential too often. But he was clearly shooting less because the shot wasn’t there because of the injury.

If you’re turning on Maxi despite him being a consistent positive on the court for the Mavs every year because he came back from injury early to try and help the team. Well that actually sounds like the illogical recency bias someone like you would fall into.

Bad start, Maxi isn't a center.
He is a power forward who scores one 3 points a game despite everybody in the world left him wide open. Wow.
Plus he is always injuried.

A lot of posters here act like he is Al Horford, he is not.

We need good players along Luka, not those scrubs.

Weird to try and get pedantic but still be wrong. Basketball is positionless so he’s literally both. Yeah he doesn’t score much, but he’s offering versatility.

No my friend i'm sorry but he is not a C... Kidd play him at the C. It's different. A lot different

Man , i can't believe you are trying to defend a 11M guy who averages 4+3 in 20mpg in RS and 3+2 in PO (plus always injuried).
He is a vet min player.

We played better and went to the NBA Finals without him... That's a fact.
He was a no factor for the Mavs PO run or probably a neutral/negative factor.
We need an upgrade over him, he is done.

We all know that this discussion will end just like the Powell one , that was very funny