OT: OG fleeces the Knicks

[Scase]

Brunson is getting the max. How anyone could think otherwise is kinda crazy unless his performance really drops off. Hart is at least locked up for a bunch of seasons so they really don't need to worry about him.

Most of us where saying for months OG's getting 40+ mill over 4-5 years. Really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

Minor nitpick but I wrote out IHart for Hartenstein. Many Knicks fans are convinced that his wife/gf loves NY too much so he'll stay there at a discount.

Oh ya, Hartenstein is getting paid as well. These guys are going to take the best offer. If the offers are about equal, I'm sure he'd stay.

Yeah, anyone thinking otherwise is nuts. These will both be the first real big contracts for both players, and for IH, likely his last. There is no way either of them is taking a discount.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I think that IQ and RJ are still on the upswing of a development arc. They can end up as 2nd options. OG's arc is nearing an end and Bridges is topping out as a 3rd option. Of course, the Knicks are paying through the nose for a title run. Would they have been better off retaining IQ, RJ and all those picks to take swings at legit stars? We know the Raptors were lucky to get off OG when they did.

[Los_29]

I guess it's like the logic of some posters here who like to say, Masai fleeced the Knicks. Meanwhile the Knicks are at least in the position to make a run at the Finals, though nothing is guaranteed of course. While the Raps, yes they got 2 nice starters for OG and Precious, but are a long way from being a contender, with many question marks.

And as I posted earlier, with the new CBA no team will have much more than a two year window to contend. Knicks couldn't keep waiting for a superstar like Giannis or whoever. Their window is now so they got Mikal, paid OG, and are going for it now.

Fleece is too strong of a word. OG Is getting paid an incredible amount of money despite being a 3+D player who can’t stay on the floor. We were a bad team with OG and a bad team without him. In fact I’d argue prior to Pascal being dealt we were better with RJ and IQ than OG. I think most would agree that we won this deal. The Knicks now being potentially the 2nd best team in the East is irrelevant because OG is the 4th best player on that team.

How do you judge 4th best. You have Bridges #3? These things are usually designated by offense/scoring. I think with OG and Bridges the Knicks will represent a new paradigm where defense matters more in an offensive league. Anyway it's hard to say OG is irrelevant when their record was 20-3 when he played in RS. The Knicks wouldn't be potentially 2nd in the East if OG had signed with Sixers. They had to bring him back to be the threat that they are.

I think Bridges has leaped ahead of OG. The league sees Bridges ahead of OG as well.

I didn’t say OG is irrelevant. I said the fact they are among the best in the East is irrelevant. They were a great team before OG and a great team with OG. OG is the 4th best player on that team.

[WaltFrazier]

Fleece is too strong of a word. OG Is getting paid an incredible amount of money despite being a 3+D player who can’t stay on the floor. We were a bad team with OG and a bad team without him. In fact I’d argue prior to Pascal being dealt we were better with RJ and IQ than OG. I think most would agree that we won this deal. The Knicks now being potentially the 2nd best team in the East is irrelevant because OG is the 4th best player on that team.

How do you judge 4th best. You have Bridges #3? These things are usually designated by offense/scoring. I think with OG and Bridges the Knicks will represent a new paradigm where defense matters more in an offensive league. Anyway it's hard to say OG is irrelevant when their record was 20-3 when he played in RS. The Knicks wouldn't be potentially 2nd in the East if OG had signed with Sixers. They had to bring him back to be the threat that they are.

I think Bridges has leaped ahead of OG. The league sees Bridges ahead of OG as well.

I didn’t say OG is irrelevant. I said the fact they are among the best in the East is irrelevant. They were a great team before OG and a great team with OG. OG is the 4th best player on that team.

It's interesting that you know what the league sees.

Knicks were not a great team before the OG trade. They were 17-14, 7th in the East at the end of December. They weren't heading for 50 wins and second place with that team. Then they went 14-2 in January. 21-3 in regular season when OG played. With that kind of impact, labelling him 3rd best, 4th best, whatever, doesn't matter much. The Knicks didn't say, we got Bridges now, let OG walk we're a great team anyway.

[Los_29]

How do you judge 4th best. You have Bridges #3? These things are usually designated by offense/scoring. I think with OG and Bridges the Knicks will represent a new paradigm where defense matters more in an offensive league. Anyway it's hard to say OG is irrelevant when their record was 20-3 when he played in RS. The Knicks wouldn't be potentially 2nd in the East if OG had signed with Sixers. They had to bring him back to be the threat that they are.

I think Bridges has leaped ahead of OG. The league sees Bridges ahead of OG as well.

I didn’t say OG is irrelevant. I said the fact they are among the best in the East is irrelevant. They were a great team before OG and a great team with OG. OG is the 4th best player on that team.

It's interesting that you know what the league sees.

Knicks were not a great team before the OG trade. They were 17-14, 7th in the East at the end of December. They weren't heading for 50 wins and second place with that team. Then they went 14-2 in January. 21-3 in regular season when OG played. With that kind of impact, labelling him 3rd best, 4th best, whatever, doesn't matter much. The Knicks didn't say, we got Bridges now, let OG walk we're a great team anyway.

Bridges has always been worth more than OG. When OG was on the block, Raptors wanted 3 FRPs. No one offered that except for Memphis and they were low quality picks. Bridges was netting a lot more in return. I think OG is the more versatile defender but Bridges is much better offensively. That’s why teams see him as a better player.

Knicks had one of the easiest schedules in January and February in terms of strength of schedule. No doubt it was impressive though but quite misleading as OG has never made that kind of impact with us.

[WaltFrazier]

I think Bridges has leaped ahead of OG. The league sees Bridges ahead of OG as well.

I didn’t say OG is irrelevant. I said the fact they are among the best in the East is irrelevant. They were a great team before OG and a great team with OG. OG is the 4th best player on that team.

It's interesting that you know what the league sees.

Knicks were not a great team before the OG trade. They were 17-14, 7th in the East at the end of December. They weren't heading for 50 wins and second place with that team. Then they went 14-2 in January. 21-3 in regular season when OG played. With that kind of impact, labelling him 3rd best, 4th best, whatever, doesn't matter much. The Knicks didn't say, we got Bridges now, let OG walk we're a great team anyway.

Bridges has always been worth more than OG. When OG was on the block, Raptors wanted 3 FRPs. No one offered that except for Memphis and they were low quality picks. Bridges was netting a lot more in return. I think OG is the more versatile defender but Bridges is much better offensively. That’s why teams see him as a better player.

Knicks had one of the easiest schedules in January and February in terms of strength of schedule. No doubt it was impressive though but quite misleading as OG has never made that kind of impact with us.

But Knicks weren't going 21-3 and eventually getting 2nd place if they kept RJ and IQ. The addition of OG is what galvanized them into a whole different team.