2024 Trade Rumors

[AGE1207]

Or we go after Paul George ourselves

[Rauxcee]

Is there something wrong with me? Paul George doesn't move the needle for me and him being our best player doesn't get us out of the second round. He's declining and injury prone. Plus he'll never come here so it's a moot point.

I genuinely don't understand what Ainge is doing. All the players the Jazz have been rumored to be interested in last summer and this, make no sense as they are not championship caliber players. So why?

Maybe everyone thinks more highly of these rumored players than I do and I'm the problem. Someone make it make sense.

[Cappy_Smurf]

The moment we know George is gone from the Clippers we should trade Lauri to Philly to get the Clippers picks they own. Those are absolute gold, and we aren't going anywhere in the West as it is for at least 3 years. Every team but us has improved substantially so far this offseason, but the Clippers may end up the exception once free agency is done. I love Lauri, he is great, but I want a championship and he can't be the best player on a contender.

So you get a few more chances that at best, results in a 14% chance at the number 1 pick. And it's unlikely to happen.

The changes to the draft odds were meant to discourage tanking and it's absolutely working. 14% odds mean you're likely to go years at the bottom without ever getting the 1st overall pick. And then there's years like this one, where if you're lucky enough to get the first, there's no sure thing there anyway.

The days of drafting eventual MVP level players 3 years in a row are long gone. It's much more likely that bottoming out completely for the 14% chance will lead to a decade or more at the bottom of the league.

[AingesBurner]

The moment we know George is gone from the Clippers we should trade Lauri to Philly to get the Clippers picks they own. Those are absolute gold, and we aren't going anywhere in the West as it is for at least 3 years. Every team but us has improved substantially so far this offseason, but the Clippers may end up the exception once free agency is done. I love Lauri, he is great, but I want a championship and he can't be the best player on a contender.

So you get a few more chances that at best, results in a 14% chance at the number 1 pick. And it's unlikely to happen.

The changes to the draft odds were meant to discourage tanking and it's absolutely working. 14% odds mean you're likely to go years at the bottom without ever getting the 1st overall pick. And then there's years like this one, where if you're lucky enough to get the first, there's no sure thing there anyway.

The days of drafting eventual MVP level players 3 years in a row are long gone. It's much more likely that bottoming out completely for the 14% chance will lead to a decade or more at the bottom of the league.

Testify! A majority of championship teams are built through trades, not picks.

[Cappy_Smurf]

Is there something wrong with me? Paul George doesn't move the needle for me and him being our best player doesn't get us out of the second round. He's declining and injury prone. Plus he'll never come here so it's a moot point.

I genuinely don't understand what Ainge is doing. All the players the Jazz have been rumored to be interested in last summer and this, make no sense as they are not championship caliber players. So why?

Maybe everyone thinks more highly of these rumored players than I do and I'm the problem. Someone make it make sense.

It's completely possible this is just smoke to encourage Lauri into going through with that R&E.

Paul George ain't coming to Utah.

Having said that, Ainge and ownership understand that 14% odds are not much incentive to blow it up and start from the bottom. With the draft odds as they are, bottoming out is much more dangerous than most fans want to believe.

Utah is in a bad spot right now, but trading Lauri to gain a few percentage points up to 14% is a decision that's more likely to make the situation even worse.

[babyjax13]

Is there something wrong with me? Paul George doesn't move the needle for me and him being our best player doesn't get us out of the second round. He's declining and injury prone. Plus he'll never come here so it's a moot point.

I genuinely don't understand what Ainge is doing. All the players the Jazz have been rumored to be interested in last summer and this, make no sense as they are not championship caliber players. So why?

Maybe everyone thinks more highly of these rumored players than I do and I'm the problem. Someone make it make sense.

It's completely possible this is just smoke to encourage Lauri into going through with that R&E.

Paul George ain't coming to Utah.

Having said that, Ainge and ownership understand that 14% odds are not much incentive to blow it up and start from the bottom. With the draft odds as they are, bottoming out is much more dangerous than most fans want to believe.

Utah is in a bad spot right now, but trading Lauri to gain a few percentage points up to 14% is a decision that's more likely to make the situation even worse.

It is not just odds of the first pick, it is odds of a top 4 pick, and it is not just increasing the value of your own pick but adding other picks with a reasonable chance to be a lottery pick. I know you know the odds, but for people wondering about the top 4 odds:

https://www.tankathon.com/pick_odds

[babyjax13]

The moment we know George is gone from the Clippers we should trade Lauri to Philly to get the Clippers picks they own. Those are absolute gold, and we aren't going anywhere in the West as it is for at least 3 years. Every team but us has improved substantially so far this offseason, but the Clippers may end up the exception once free agency is done. I love Lauri, he is great, but I want a championship and he can't be the best player on a contender.

So you get a few more chances that at best, results in a 14% chance at the number 1 pick. And it's unlikely to happen.

The changes to the draft odds were meant to discourage tanking and it's absolutely working. 14% odds mean you're likely to go years at the bottom without ever getting the 1st overall pick. And then there's years like this one, where if you're lucky enough to get the first, there's no sure thing there anyway.

The days of drafting eventual MVP level players 3 years in a row are long gone. It's much more likely that bottoming out completely for the 14% chance will lead to a decade or more at the bottom of the league.

Testify! A majority of championship teams are built through trades, not picks.

Boston drafted their two best players, Denver drafted their two best players, Milwaukee drafted their best player, the Warriors drafted Curry/Draymond/Klay, the Heat drafted Wade and got LeBron and Bosh through FA albeit they did trade two firsts and two seconds in a SnT for LeBron, the Cavs drafted Kyrie and signed LeBron, the Lakers signed LeBron and traded for Davis, the Spurs drafted Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker; Dallas drafted Dirk...

Most championship teams in the last 20 years built the majority of their core through the draft. Miami, 08 Boston, and the Lakers are the exceptions.

[AingesBurner]

So you get a few more chances that at best, results in a 14% chance at the number 1 pick. And it's unlikely to happen.

The changes to the draft odds were meant to discourage tanking and it's absolutely working. 14% odds mean you're likely to go years at the bottom without ever getting the 1st overall pick. And then there's years like this one, where if you're lucky enough to get the first, there's no sure thing there anyway.

The days of drafting eventual MVP level players 3 years in a row are long gone. It's much more likely that bottoming out completely for the 14% chance will lead to a decade or more at the bottom of the league.

Testify! A majority of championship teams are built through trades, not picks.

Boston drafted their two best players, Denver drafted their two best players, Milwaukee drafted their best player, the Warriors drafted Curry/Draymond/Klay, the Heat drafted Wade and got LeBron and Bosh through FA albeit they did trade two firsts and two seconds in a SnT for LeBron, the Cavs drafted Kyrie and signed LeBron, the Lakers signed LeBron and traded for Davis, the Spurs drafted Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker; Dallas drafted Dirk...

Most championship teams in the last 20 years built the majority of their core through the draft. Miami, 08 Boston, and the Lakers are the exceptions.

How many were # 1 picks? 2? Where were Klay/Dray/Curry/Jokic/Murray/Ginobli/Parker/Pierce/Wade taken in the draft? The highest is Wade at 3 and Curry at 7. Lawyered

[AingesBurner]

So you get a few more chances that at best, results in a 14% chance at the number 1 pick. And it's unlikely to happen.

The changes to the draft odds were meant to discourage tanking and it's absolutely working. 14% odds mean you're likely to go years at the bottom without ever getting the 1st overall pick. And then there's years like this one, where if you're lucky enough to get the first, there's no sure thing there anyway.

The days of drafting eventual MVP level players 3 years in a row are long gone. It's much more likely that bottoming out completely for the 14% chance will lead to a decade or more at the bottom of the league.

Testify! A majority of championship teams are built through trades, not picks.

Boston drafted their two best players, Denver drafted their two best players, Milwaukee drafted their best player, the Warriors drafted Curry/Draymond/Klay, the Heat drafted Wade and got LeBron and Bosh through FA albeit they did trade two firsts and two seconds in a SnT for LeBron, the Cavs drafted Kyrie and signed LeBron, the Lakers signed LeBron and traded for Davis, the Spurs drafted Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker; Dallas drafted Dirk...

Most championship teams in the last 20 years built the majority of their core through the draft. Miami, 08 Boston, and the Lakers are the exceptions.

Who won a ring first? LBJ or Wade? How long was Dirk on the team before he won a ring? Who was on Duncan’s team for the first ring?

[Inigo Montoya]

This subject comes up every now and again. All the details about it are complied here:

Seems pretty clear to me it's much better to tank and play the odds even if you don't end up with the #1 pick. The numbers are what they are.
viewtopic.php?p=103418335#p103418335

NBA draft history: How likely are you to land a star at each pick?
https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-draft-history-how-likely-are-you-to-land-a-star-at-each-pick/

[AingesBurner]

This subject comes up every now and again. All the details about it are complied here:

Seems pretty clear to me it's much better to tank and play the odds even if you don't end up with the #1 pick. The numbers are what they are.
viewtopic.php?p=103418335#p103418335

NBA draft history: How likely are you to land a star at each pick?
https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-draft-history-how-likely-are-you-to-land-a-star-at-each-pick/

True but the flattening of the odds has changed the outlook of completely tanking. I’d rather be 5th worst than the worst.

[AGE1207]

Is there something wrong with me? Paul George doesn't move the needle for me and him being our best player doesn't get us out of the second round. He's declining and injury prone. Plus he'll never come here so it's a moot point.

I genuinely don't understand what Ainge is doing. All the players the Jazz have been rumored to be interested in last summer and this, make no sense as they are not championship caliber players. So why?

Maybe everyone thinks more highly of these rumored players than I do and I'm the problem. Someone make it make sense.

Don’t worry, there’s nothing wrong with you.

Adding Bridges & PG was one of the plans on the table apparently and if nothing else, it should show Markannen (and/or maybe some future free agents?) the Jazz are serious about becoming a contender.

Whether adding these two was realistic or if this was good enough to become a contender is debatable…

Ainge seems to have various scenarios in his drawers as the market unfolds. It does make things interesting

[babyjax13]

Testify! A majority of championship teams are built through trades, not picks.

Boston drafted their two best players, Denver drafted their two best players, Milwaukee drafted their best player, the Warriors drafted Curry/Draymond/Klay, the Heat drafted Wade and got LeBron and Bosh through FA albeit they did trade two firsts and two seconds in a SnT for LeBron, the Cavs drafted Kyrie and signed LeBron, the Lakers signed LeBron and traded for Davis, the Spurs drafted Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker; Dallas drafted Dirk...

Most championship teams in the last 20 years built the majority of their core through the draft. Miami, 08 Boston, and the Lakers are the exceptions.

Who won a ring first? LBJ or Wade? How long was Dirk on the team before he won a ring? Who was on Duncan’s team for the first ring?

You mean Wade, who Miami drafted, and Robinson, who San Antonio drafted? How many championship teams have had a top 3 pick as their best or second best player? Every one with LeBron + Boston + every one with Durant and Duncan.

I get that teams add guys later, but you have to build a foundation through the draft and we don't have that yet. We might have it by the tail end of Lauri's prime, but trading him gives you more opportunities to ensure that is the case. I do love Lauri, so I'm not going to be sad if we keep him, but for a ruthless guy like Ainge I expect to focus on what it takes to win a championship.

[Inigo Montoya]

This subject comes up every now and again. All the details about it are complied here:

Seems pretty clear to me it's much better to tank and play the odds even if you don't end up with the #1 pick. The numbers are what they are.
viewtopic.php?p=103418335#p103418335

NBA draft history: How likely are you to land a star at each pick?
https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-draft-history-how-likely-are-you-to-land-a-star-at-each-pick/

True but the flattening of the odds has changed the outlook of completely tanking. I’d rather be 5th worst than the worst.

You'd still want to be the worst because then you can at worst fall for the 5th seed. If you're 5th worse you can fall further to 7 or even more.

[AingesBurner]

This subject comes up every now and again. All the details about it are complied here:

Seems pretty clear to me it's much better to tank and play the odds even if you don't end up with the #1 pick. The numbers are what they are.
viewtopic.php?p=103418335#p103418335

NBA draft history: How likely are you to land a star at each pick?
https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-draft-history-how-likely-are-you-to-land-a-star-at-each-pick/

True but the flattening of the odds has changed the outlook of completely tanking. I’d rather be 5th worst than the worst.

You'd still want to be the worst because then you can at worst fall for the 5th seed. If you're 5th worse you can fall further to 7 or even more.

How many teams that tank badly see a chip? If you do it that way then you follow the Spurs model. Pay Lauri handsomely and fake an injury. The question is, are there any Tim Duncan’s in this draft? Those that can play like a star day one?

[babyjax13]

True but the flattening of the odds has changed the outlook of completely tanking. I’d rather be 5th worst than the worst.

You'd still want to be the worst because then you can at worst fall for the 5th seed. If you're 5th worse you can fall further to 7 or even more.

How many teams that tank badly see a chip? If you do it that way then you follow the Spurs model. Pay Lauri handsomely and fake an injury. The question is, are there any Tim Duncan’s in this draft? Those that can play like a star day one?

Cleveland tanked after LeBron left the first time. Golden State had been terrible for YEARS before drafting Steph. Milwaukee was atrocious for years with some random playoff appearances with Michael Redd before drafting Giannis.

[Rauxcee]

I would have loved to have a 14% shot at Wemby. It's better than 0%.

[AingesBurner]

You'd still want to be the worst because then you can at worst fall for the 5th seed. If you're 5th worse you can fall further to 7 or even more.

How many teams that tank badly see a chip? If you do it that way then you follow the Spurs model. Pay Lauri handsomely and fake an injury. The question is, are there any Tim Duncan’s in this draft? Those that can play like a star day one?

Cleveland tanked after LeBron left the first time. Golden State had been terrible for YEARS before drafting Steph. Milwaukee was atrocious for years with some random playoff appearances with Michael Redd before drafting Giannis.

Curry was picked 7th. LeBron didn’t win a chip the first time around. Giannis was picked in the teens. You were saying.

[babyjax13]

How many teams that tank badly see a chip? If you do it that way then you follow the Spurs model. Pay Lauri handsomely and fake an injury. The question is, are there any Tim Duncan’s in this draft? Those that can play like a star day one?

Cleveland tanked after LeBron left the first time. Golden State had been terrible for YEARS before drafting Steph. Milwaukee was atrocious for years with some random playoff appearances with Michael Redd before drafting Giannis.

Curry was picked 7th. LeBron didn’t win a chip the first time around. Giannis was picked in the teens. You were saying.

See bold.

I get that you disagree with me, but the selective reading is annoying.

[AingesBurner]

Cleveland tanked after LeBron left the first time. Golden State had been terrible for YEARS before drafting Steph. Milwaukee was atrocious for years with some random playoff appearances with Michael Redd before drafting Giannis.

Curry was picked 7th. LeBron didn’t win a chip the first time around. Giannis was picked in the teens. You were saying.

See bold.

Fair enough but look who they picked when they somehow lucked out 3 years in a row with 1st pick selections. Irving was the only star.