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Paul George is planning to take free agent meetings with the Orlando Magic

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Re: Paul George is planning to take free agent meetings with the Orlando Magic 

Post#121 » by Knightro » Sun Jun 30, 2024 5:25 pm

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Typo, yes 37.

How many 37 year olds sustain that level? Joe Ingles is 36.


Ingles was also pretty awful at 34 and 35, so it wasn't a big shock he was still bad at 36.

PG was really good last year and hasn't had any noticeable drop off in his play... yet.

Father Time is obviously undefeated, but I'd hope to get 2 really good years comparable to his last few seasons and then 2 solid years out of him.


Why is LAC hesitant about giving him 4 years?


I guess they don't want to be in the 2nd apron with a team that basically has no chance to win the West?

The last three years they've missed the playoffs once and gotten bounced in the first round twice.

At some point paying hundreds of millions in luxury tax (I know Ballmer can afford it, but still) for a team that isn't even winning gets old.

If they were legitimately competing for or winning championships, I think they'd have already paid him.
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Post#122 » by Driguez » Sun Jun 30, 2024 5:25 pm

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Driguez wrote:I rather have PG than Klay but 4 years is too long of a contract

Its a good time to form a big 3 because our core are still on the “fun max” or rookie deals. Its nice to take advantage of it.

But whether he is the right guy to be stuck with or not is the question.



Yeah I slept on it and **** it it’s worth the risk. I’m sure FO will try to front load it as they normally do.
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Post#123 » by VFX » Sun Jun 30, 2024 5:26 pm

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Ingles was also pretty awful at 34 and 35, so it wasn't a big shock he was still bad at 36.

PG was really good last year and hasn't had any noticeable drop off in his play... yet.

Father Time is obviously undefeated, but I'd hope to get 2 really good years comparable to his last few seasons and then 2 solid years out of him.


Why is LAC hesitant about giving him 4 years?

Their other contracts come off the books in 3 years and they don’t want to mess with their rebuild plan.


Interesting they have to rebuild with PG13 in his prime, Harden, and Kawhi. You’d think having so many allstars together they’d be winning everything because they are such winners. You get my point.

PG and co couldn’t win anything in previous years and PG 3-4 seasons from now isn’t the same player. That’s why they didn’t immediately pull the trigger and are justifiably hung up on that extra year.
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Post#124 » by thelead » Sun Jun 30, 2024 5:29 pm

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Why is LAC hesitant about giving him 4 years?

Their other contracts come off the books in 3 years and they don’t want to mess with their rebuild plan.


Interesting they have to rebuild with PG13 in his prime, Harden, and Kawhi. You’d think having so many allstars together they’d be winning everything because they are such winners. You get my point.

They’re not worried about rebuilding right now though… they were good enough to win it all this year but health got in the way again when Kawhi went down.
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Re: Paul George is planning to take free agent meetings with the Orlando Magic 

Post#125 » by VFX » Sun Jun 30, 2024 5:34 pm

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Ingles was also pretty awful at 34 and 35, so it wasn't a big shock he was still bad at 36.

PG was really good last year and hasn't had any noticeable drop off in his play... yet.

Father Time is obviously undefeated, but I'd hope to get 2 really good years comparable to his last few seasons and then 2 solid years out of him.


Why is LAC hesitant about giving him 4 years?


I guess they don't want to be in the 2nd apron with a team that basically has no chance to win the West?

The last three years they've missed the playoffs once and gotten bounced in the first round twice.

At some point paying hundreds of millions in luxury tax (I know Ballmer can afford it, but still) for a team that isn't even winning gets old.

If they were legitimately competing for or winning championships, I think they'd have already paid him.


Ballmer has proven he’s fine paying the tax.

The answer is that they are hesitant because PG 4 seasons ago was worth a 4 year max. Now? Maybe they are a little more skeptical.

If you have Harden, Kawhi, and PG on your roster you are competing for championships. All those guys are out of the league in 5-6 years.
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Post#126 » by Knightro » Sun Jun 30, 2024 5:36 pm

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Why is LAC hesitant about giving him 4 years?


I guess they don't want to be in the 2nd apron with a team that basically has no chance to win the West?

The last three years they've missed the playoffs once and gotten bounced in the first round twice.

At some point paying hundreds of millions in luxury tax (I know Ballmer can afford it, but still) for a team that isn't even winning gets old.

If they were legitimately competing for or winning championships, I think they'd have already paid him.


Ballmer has proven he’s fine paying the tax.

The answer is that they are hesitant because PG 4 seasons ago was worth a 4 year max. Now? Maybe they are a little more skeptical.

If you have Harden, Kawhi, and PG on your roster you are competing for championships. All those guys are out of the league in 5-6 years.


Of course they are all in and competing for championships.

I'm just pointing out they've gone: Missed playoffs, out in 1st round, out in 1st round the last three years.

At some point spending hundreds and hundreds of millions in luxury tax and not actually seeing the results you're paying for is probably a tough pill to swallow.
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Post#127 » by SOUL » Sun Jun 30, 2024 5:38 pm

Our biggest hope (to land him) is if Clippers just refuse the 4th year and Harden has been telling George how bad his Philly experience was.
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Post#128 » by thelead » Sun Jun 30, 2024 5:42 pm

SOUL wrote:Our biggest hope (to land him) is if Clippers just refuse the 4th year and Harden has been telling George how bad his Philly experience was.

I think it’s between us and LA… and we have 5% chance… if that.

I’ll be shocked if he actually leaves LA considering most of his extended family is over there.
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Post#129 » by eyriq » Sun Jun 30, 2024 6:01 pm

The sour grapes take if he rejects us is that he doesn't fit our timeline, takes reps from our core and could slow development (think Donovan Mitchell effect), and allows us to focus on role players that compliment player development a bit better.
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Post#130 » by VFX » Sun Jun 30, 2024 6:01 pm

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SOUL wrote:Our biggest hope (to land him) is if Clippers just refuse the 4th year and Harden has been telling George how bad his Philly experience was.

I think it’s between us and LA… and we have 5% chance… if that.

I’ll be shocked if he actually leaves LA considering most of his extended family is over there.


This is realistically the situation.
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Post#131 » by VFX » Sun Jun 30, 2024 6:02 pm

eyriq wrote:The sour grapes take is that he doesn't fit our timeline, takes reps from our core and could slow development (think Donovan Mitchell effect), and allows us to focus on role players that compliment player development a bit better.


I don’t think he would ever slow development. The rest of this is just the logical truth.
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Post#132 » by jezzerinho » Sun Jun 30, 2024 6:08 pm

Id give our chances more than 5%.

But the "come-and-get-me-plea" type bigging up of Paolo did have a scripted feel to it, so im just not sure how serious his camp isnthat we're an option.

I doubt we waive Moe especially unless we got some positive feedback tho.

Id give it around 15%!
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Post#133 » by eyriq » Sun Jun 30, 2024 6:09 pm

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eyriq wrote:The sour grapes take is that he doesn't fit our timeline, takes reps from our core and could slow development (think Donovan Mitchell effect), and allows us to focus on role players that compliment player development a bit better.


I don’t think he would ever slow development. The rest of this is just the logical truth.
Which is why I won't be brokenhearted if he rejects us. I will definitely say he would stunt our growth too, just to lock in my cope.
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Post#134 » by jezzerinho » Sun Jun 30, 2024 6:12 pm

What we can offer him over LA is the Eastern conf and a surrounding cast of young hungry guys that will work harder than anyone in the NBA.

So, in theory, we can manage his minutes and use our depth to stay in the playoff picture.
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Post#135 » by cedric76 » Sun Jun 30, 2024 6:15 pm

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Why is LAC hesitant about giving him 4 years?


I guess they don't want to be in the 2nd apron with a team that basically has no chance to win the West?

The last three years they've missed the playoffs once and gotten bounced in the first round twice.

At some point paying hundreds of millions in luxury tax (I know Ballmer can afford it, but still) for a team that isn't even winning gets old.

If they were legitimately competing for or winning championships, I think they'd have already paid him.


Ballmer has proven he’s fine paying the tax.

The answer is that they are hesitant because PG 4 seasons ago was worth a 4 year max. Now? Maybe they are a little more skeptical.

If you have Harden, Kawhi, and PG on your roster you are competing for championships. All those guys are out of the league in 5-6 years.


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Post#136 » by Cammo101 » Sun Jun 30, 2024 6:17 pm

Regardless of where PG lands, that we are chasing him and willing to give him a 4 year max shows me the front office is taking the right approach and realizing now is the time to improve this roster.
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Post#137 » by MagicTownBaller » Sun Jun 30, 2024 6:23 pm

Paul George wants to "Play the Song"
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Post#138 » by eyriq » Sun Jun 30, 2024 6:35 pm

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Post#139 » by tooler » Sun Jun 30, 2024 6:36 pm

I just don't feel like he will be that hard to trade after 2-3 seasons if needed, and we won't have to attach anything to it. Every contract is tradeable in the NBA, and the trades are often ridiculous (a first round pick for an aging, overpaid Westbrook??)

At worst it's a neutral move.
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Post#140 » by basketballRob » Sun Jun 30, 2024 6:38 pm

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