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Post#1781 » by Fierce1 » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:31 pm

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Celts17Pride wrote:Disagree. Celtics have 2 spots open.

There really is no need to keep a spot open other than money. Celtics can't be involved in any buyouts for anyone good and every trade has to be 1 player for 1 player. Celtics should take advantage now when there are a ton of players available.

Maybe.

But if you're Batum or Melton why would you sign with Boston when you know you would just be 3rd string.

Brissett left because of lack of playing time.

Batum is not signing with anyone for the vet min. You have to lower you're sights. Celtics may have interest in guys like A Holiday, Wright, Saric, Bamba, Morris, Bullock etc. All players that will be getting the vet min and provide depth.

I want Saric.

Any big man is possible.

But wings and guards will not be a good fit in Boston.

I still believe if Tillman returns, the Cs are done, for now.
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Post#1782 » by phincsfan » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:31 pm

31to6 wrote:FWIW I’ve never liked Tobias Harris as a player, but I’ve always loved DeRozan. I like the idea you’re pitching, patsfan, and who’s to say that the FO isn’t working on it as we speak?


Agreed, why sign a player who absolutely disappears during the most crucial part of the season. Let him go to a bottomfeeder and pad his stats when it doesn't count.
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Post#1784 » by hugepatsfan » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:33 pm

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Fierce1 wrote:Money will not be the issue.

Guys like Melton will not want to sign with Boston because they know they're not going to crack the rotation.

Playing time is the issue.

That's why Brissett left.


Tatum - 35
Brown - 34
White - 32
Jrue - 30
Hauser - 22
Pritchard - 22

Let's say you isolate the C position from the rest of the roster. If those guys play those minutes per game, then you still have 17 minutes per game to fill on the perimeter (PG/SG/SF/PF). And that guy would be called on to play more when one/multiple of those guys are missing.

We have a 20+ minute per game role to offer someone in the regular season if there's a good fit. And Pritchard doesn't have an iron grip on his playoff rotation spot either with his size also being an issue in certain matchups.

They could definitely opt against signing anyone and just rotate Scheierman/Walsh/Springer/2-way guys through the remaining minutes, but they should also be open to signing a vet if the right guy is willing to sign for the minimum.

Last season Tatum said he will prioritize winning a championship over individual awards.

He also said when he gets a championship, he will start going after the individual awards.

So expect Tatum to play a lot and score a lot.

Tatum needs that MVP to further enhance his brand.


Ok, fine. Bump Tatum up to 37 which would be a career high in minutes/game for him. So now in my post above replace "17" with "15" . That still gets bumped up to 20 when you factor in all the extra time "player X" gets with other guys missing time.

It doesn't change the substance of my post at all. There's inevitably going to be a few vets who have to settle for minimum deals that seem too good for that. We have a 20+ minute per game regular season role to offer them if there's a good fit. And a playoff rotation role if they can beat out Pritchard, who isn't a world beater of an NBA player. We're talking about a guy who, in theory, would have the market dictating to them that they're only worth the minimum too. We're not talking an all star here.
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Extensions Thread, 2024-25 

Post#1785 » by Fierce1 » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:34 pm

phincsfan wrote:
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hugepatsfan wrote:
Tatum - 35
Brown - 34
White - 32
Jrue - 30
Hauser - 22
Pritchard - 22

Let's say you isolate the C position from the rest of the roster. If those guys play those minutes per game, then you still have 17 minutes per game to fill on the perimeter (PG/SG/SF/PF). And that guy would be called on to play more when one/multiple of those guys are missing.

We have a 20+ minute per game role to offer someone in the regular season if there's a good fit. And Pritchard doesn't have an iron grip on his playoff rotation spot either with his size also being an issue in certain matchups.

They could definitely opt against signing anyone and just rotate Scheierman/Walsh/Springer/2-way guys through the remaining minutes, but they should also be open to signing a vet if the right guy is willing to sign for the minimum.

Last season Tatum said he will prioritize winning a championship over individual awards.

He also said when he gets a championship, he will start going after the individual awards.

So expect Tatum to play a lot and score a lot.

Tatum needs that MVP to further enhance his brand.


Brad also said they will keep an eye on minutes played.

Guess we'll know for sure in 4 months.

But one thing's for sure, JT will go after that MVP trophy.

That's what will officially put him on the same level as Lebron.
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Post#1786 » by phincsfan » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:34 pm

PP and Sam will get closer to 25mpg this season.
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Post#1787 » by Celts17Pride » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:35 pm

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Fierce1 wrote:Maybe.

But if you're Batum or Melton why would you sign with Boston when you know you would just be 3rd string.

Brissett left because of lack of playing time.

Batum is not signing with anyone for the vet min. You have to lower you're sights. Celtics may have interest in guys like A Holiday, Wright, Saric, Bamba, Morris, Bullock etc. All players that will be getting the vet min and provide depth.

I want Saric.

Any big man is possible.

But wings and guards will not be a good fit in Boston.

I still believe if Tillman returns, the Cs are done, for now.

Celtics have no one to backup Pritchard at point guard for depth and the Celtics have two young backups in Springer and Scheierman to backup Holiday. Wouldn't be surprised if they added a vet PG/SG. Maybe one of the Holiday brothers or even Svi Mykhailiuak.
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Post#1788 » by phincsfan » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:38 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
phincsfan wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Last season Tatum said he will prioritize winning a championship over individual awards.

He also said when he gets a championship, he will start going after the individual awards.

So expect Tatum to play a lot and score a lot.

Tatum needs that MVP to further enhance his brand.


Brad also said they will keep an eye on minutes played.

Guess we'll know for sure in 4 months.

But one thing's for sure, JT will go after that MVP trophy.

That's what will officially put him on the same level as Lebron.


I'd rather JT be on the same level as Steph. Win that many rings with the same team. :D
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Post#1789 » by hugepatsfan » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:39 pm

31to6 wrote:FWIW I’ve never liked Tobias Harris as a player, but I’ve always loved DeRozan. I like the idea you’re pitching, patsfan, and who’s to say that the FO isn’t working on it as we speak?


With Harris, it's mostly about position. A guy who can play PF is the best candidate for the role I'm talking about. Our "core rotation" right now is the top 8 of:

Holiday / Pritchard
White
Brown / Hauser
Tatum
Porzingis / Horford

The "backup SG" is really Brown and Pritchard and the backup PF is Horford when he plays with Porzingis. But with Porzingis out, Horford's minutes will be needed at the 5. Brown/Hauser both less than ideal options to kick down there, though they could do it, especially in the regular season. A stretch 4 type is the archetype that makes the most sense to add to the mix if we find someone who makes sense.
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Post#1790 » by Fierce1 » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:39 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:
Tatum - 35
Brown - 34
White - 32
Jrue - 30
Hauser - 22
Pritchard - 22

Let's say you isolate the C position from the rest of the roster. If those guys play those minutes per game, then you still have 17 minutes per game to fill on the perimeter (PG/SG/SF/PF). And that guy would be called on to play more when one/multiple of those guys are missing.

We have a 20+ minute per game role to offer someone in the regular season if there's a good fit. And Pritchard doesn't have an iron grip on his playoff rotation spot either with his size also being an issue in certain matchups.

They could definitely opt against signing anyone and just rotate Scheierman/Walsh/Springer/2-way guys through the remaining minutes, but they should also be open to signing a vet if the right guy is willing to sign for the minimum.

Last season Tatum said he will prioritize winning a championship over individual awards.

He also said when he gets a championship, he will start going after the individual awards.

So expect Tatum to play a lot and score a lot.

Tatum needs that MVP to further enhance his brand.


Ok, fine. Bump Tatum up to 37 which would be a career high in minutes/game for him. So now in my post above replace "17" with "15" . That still gets bumped up to 20 when you factor in all the extra time "player X" gets with other guys missing time.

It doesn't change the substance of my post at all. There's inevitably going to be a few vets who have to settle for minimum deals that seem too good for that. We have a 20+ minute per game regular season role to offer them if there's a good fit. And a playoff rotation role if they can beat out Pritchard, who isn't a world beater of an NBA player. We're talking about a guy who, in theory, would have the market dictating to them that they're only worth the minimum too. We're not talking an all star here.

If it's a big man, it's possible.

But wings and guards will not want Boston.

Hauser is the 7th man and he only got 22 minutes per game last season.

I just don't see it.

Brissett already gave us an idea of the situation.
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Post#1791 » by phincsfan » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:39 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:Batum is not signing with anyone for the vet min. You have to lower you're sights. Celtics may have interest in guys like A Holiday, Wright, Saric, Bamba, Morris, Bullock etc. All players that will be getting the vet min and provide depth.

I want Saric.

Any big man is possible.

But wings and guards will not be a good fit in Boston.

I still believe if Tillman returns, the Cs are done, for now.

Celtics have no one to backup Pritchard at point guard for depth and the Celtics have two young backups in Springer and Scheierman to backup Holiday. Wouldn't be surprised if they added a vet PG/SG. Maybe one of the Holiday brothers.


With White and Jrue, a backup PG is overrated IMO. But I have said bringing in Aaron would make Jrue a happy camper for sure.
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Post#1792 » by Celts17Pride » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:40 pm

What planet are we living on that people think Tobias Harris is signing for a vet min. contract?
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Post#1794 » by Fierce1 » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:42 pm

phincsfan wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:
phincsfan wrote:
Brad also said they will keep an eye on minutes played.

Guess we'll know for sure in 4 months.

But one thing's for sure, JT will go after that MVP trophy.

That's what will officially put him on the same level as Lebron.


I'd rather JT be on the same level as Steph. Win that many rings with the same team. :D

Don't forget Steph won back to back regular season MVPs in 2015 and 2016.

If JT is to be on the same level as Steph then JT needs at least 1 MVP trophy.
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Post#1795 » by phincsfan » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:43 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Last season Tatum said he will prioritize winning a championship over individual awards.

He also said when he gets a championship, he will start going after the individual awards.

So expect Tatum to play a lot and score a lot.

Tatum needs that MVP to further enhance his brand.


Ok, fine. Bump Tatum up to 37 which would be a career high in minutes/game for him. So now in my post above replace "17" with "15" . That still gets bumped up to 20 when you factor in all the extra time "player X" gets with other guys missing time.

It doesn't change the substance of my post at all. There's inevitably going to be a few vets who have to settle for minimum deals that seem too good for that. We have a 20+ minute per game regular season role to offer them if there's a good fit. And a playoff rotation role if they can beat out Pritchard, who isn't a world beater of an NBA player. We're talking about a guy who, in theory, would have the market dictating to them that they're only worth the minimum too. We're not talking an all star here.

If it's a big man, it's possible.

But wings and guards will not want Boston.

Hauser is the 7th man and he only got 22 minutes per game last season.

I just don't see it.

Brissett already gave us an idea of the situation.


I think Oshae's situation was he just couldn't shoot good enough to where Joe and the nerds could trust him to get meaningful minutes. Majority of the main rotation was taking almost 5 three's a game and hitting over 35%.

Give the kid Peterson a shot.
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Post#1796 » by hugepatsfan » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:43 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Last season Tatum said he will prioritize winning a championship over individual awards.

He also said when he gets a championship, he will start going after the individual awards.

So expect Tatum to play a lot and score a lot.

Tatum needs that MVP to further enhance his brand.


Ok, fine. Bump Tatum up to 37 which would be a career high in minutes/game for him. So now in my post above replace "17" with "15" . That still gets bumped up to 20 when you factor in all the extra time "player X" gets with other guys missing time.

It doesn't change the substance of my post at all. There's inevitably going to be a few vets who have to settle for minimum deals that seem too good for that. We have a 20+ minute per game regular season role to offer them if there's a good fit. And a playoff rotation role if they can beat out Pritchard, who isn't a world beater of an NBA player. We're talking about a guy who, in theory, would have the market dictating to them that they're only worth the minimum too. We're not talking an all star here.

If it's a big man, it's possible.

But wings and guards will not want Boston.

Hauser is the 7th man and he only got 22 minutes per game last season.

I just don't see it.

Brissett already gave us an idea of the situation.


Brissett isn't good enough to get that playing time. You can play Hauser/Pritchard a bit more and run some double big lineups and use the leftover minutes to develop guys. You don't carve out a full time role for someone like Brissett. He's not good enough.

There are some vets out there who, if they sign for the minimum, would be worth carving out the full time role for.
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Post#1797 » by Celts17Pride » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:44 pm

phincsfan wrote:The way the team values shooting and iq then Peterson should get a crack at the rotation. The kid has size also. Start preparing yourself for life after Sam.

Peterson will get a two-way slot. No need to give him anything more. Peterson can play in 50 games with the Celtics as a two way player.
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Post#1798 » by phincsfan » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:45 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
phincsfan wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Guess we'll know for sure in 4 months.

But one thing's for sure, JT will go after that MVP trophy.

That's what will officially put him on the same level as Lebron.


I'd rather JT be on the same level as Steph. Win that many rings with the same team. :D

Don't forget Steph won back to back regular season MVPs in 2015 and 2016.

If JT is to be on the same level as Steph then JT needs at least 1 MVP trophy.


And Steph didn't need heavy minutes to get those MVP's. Lebron was flirting with almost 40mpg season to get his MVP's.
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Post#1799 » by 165bows » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:46 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:What planet are we living on that people think Tobias Harris is signing for a vet min. contract?

Oh notice he didn't say anything about DeRozan being unobtainable here -

DeMar for ring chaser confirmed!!
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Post#1800 » by phincsfan » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:47 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
phincsfan wrote:The way the team values shooting and iq then Peterson should get a crack at the rotation. The kid has size also. Start preparing yourself for life after Sam.

Peterson will get a two-way slot. No need to give him anything more. Peterson can play in 50 games with the Celtics as a two way player.


Whatever it takes, I just think he can offer a lot more on both ends than Svi and Oshae did.

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