[Woj] Free agent C Isaiah Hartenstein has agreed on a three-year, $87 million deal with the Oklahoma City Thunder

[omerome]

So I have a different take on this than the majority of the board. I have been saying OKC needed to get bigger and I appreciate the irony in the take I am about to make, but I actually wonder if IH was the wrong big for OKC? Before I break it down, I want to be clear, I don’t object to IH as a player, or think he shouldn’t command something in the range of around 23-25 with some allowance for overpaying to compete for his services, my only concern is about fit.

1. Chet Holmgren’s primary defensive skill set is in the paint. He is a shot blocker, he is a rim protector, and as he bulks up he could also be a consistent rebounder. While his 3 point shooting definitely allows him to play the PF, and his slight build may favor him at PF, he can also be defended well by power forwards. Jaden McDaniels is a small forward built like a small ball PF and he gave Chet problems. Giving teams a non shooter big man in IH allows defensive bigs to stay low and negates one of Chet’s best assets, his ability to draw out other teams bigs.

Will edit with point 2.

i think hartenstein will occupy all non-chet minutes, which were a problem in the playoffs. and they will only play together 5-10 minutes a game. they'll be situational about it.

To me, it doesn't make sense to pay a guy almost 30M a year to be a situational fit with one of your cornerstone players.

[mg]

Good risk here by OKC. I'm not sure it's a perfect fit but the contract should be very tradable around the league if/when they decide they want to move him.

OKC also has the advantage of stockpiling so many draft picks they can easily trade out of any bad contract along the way.

[Tor_Raps]

I love Hartenstein for OKC but they couldn't get him on a 4 year term for that 87 Mill? He's about to make 29M per season, which is absurd loll.

Yeah it feels like they should have been able to get him for four years $100 million.

Like they could have front loaded the contract if they wanted to maximize their salary situation for the next few years as well.

It's great that they got Hartenstein, I just dont think they maximized the acquisition.

[OkcSinceSGA]

Yeah idk feels like a lot for him

It’s not. His impact metrics peg him as a top 10-15 player in the league

Bruh.

Tell me what’s inaccurate about the post?

[Crunch 99]

Yes, it is an overpay, but in one fell swoop OKC damaged the presumptive second best team in the EC and likely solidified themselves as the favorite in the WC, so this was a reasonable time to push all the chips in and overpay.

[jokeboy86]

Man, OKC is oh so close to being the favorite. It'll be very interesting to see how much Chet improves upon next year.

Btw, I think SGA will win the MVP next year and who knows what type of momentum he'll be coming off of depending on Canada's olympic showing.

[Capn'O]

They couldn’t offer more than another team? How?

We had early bird rights, not full bird.

But you could offer the max , and do the rest based on incentives, and place the bar low

Big Fock up on the Knicks FO

You have no idea what you are talking about

[winforlose]

So I have a different take on this than the majority of the board. I have been saying OKC needed to get bigger and I appreciate the irony in the take I am about to make, but I actually wonder if IH was the wrong big for OKC? Before I break it down, I want to be clear, I don’t object to IH as a player, or think he shouldn’t command something in the range of around 23-25 with some allowance for overpaying to compete for his services, my only concern is about fit.

1. Chet Holmgren’s primary defensive skill set is in the paint. He is a shot blocker, he is a rim protector, and as he bulks up he could also be a consistent rebounder. While his 3 point shooting definitely allows him to play the PF, and his slight build may favor him at PF, he can also be defended well by power forwards. Jaden McDaniels is a small forward built like a small ball PF and he gave Chet problems. Giving teams a non shooter big man in IH allows defensive bigs to stay low and negates one of Chet’s best assets, his ability to draw out other teams bigs.

Will edit with point 2.

i think hartenstein will occupy all non-chet minutes, which were a problem in the playoffs. and they will only play together 5-10 minutes a game. they'll be situational about it.

To me, it doesn't make sense to pay a guy almost 30M a year to be a situational fit with one of your cornerstone players.

Correct. This is why Rudy and Karl being able to excel together or Joker and Gordon being so good together is huge. I really like and respect IH, I really like and respect OKC, but I question if IH on OKC isn’t just a Giddey 2.0 fit that can only be corrected by not playing either IH or Chet end of game?

[OkcSinceSGA]

So I have a different take on this than the majority of the board. I have been saying OKC needed to get bigger and I appreciate the irony in the take I am about to make, but I actually wonder if IH was the wrong big for OKC? Before I break it down, I want to be clear, I don’t object to IH as a player, or think he shouldn’t command something in the range of around 23-25 with some allowance for overpaying to compete for his services, my only concern is about fit.

1. Chet Holmgren’s primary defensive skill set is in the paint. He is a shot blocker, he is a rim protector, and as he bulks up he could also be a consistent rebounder. While his 3 point shooting definitely allows him to play the PF, and his slight build may favor him at PF, he can also be defended well by power forwards. Jaden McDaniels is a small forward built like a small ball PF and he gave Chet problems. Giving teams a non shooter big man in IH allows defensive bigs to stay low and negates one of Chet’s best assets, his ability to draw out other teams bigs.

Will edit with point 2.

i think hartenstein will occupy all non-chet minutes, which were a problem in the playoffs. and they will only play together 5-10 minutes a game. they'll be situational about it.

To me, it doesn't make sense to pay a guy almost 30M a year to be a situational fit with one of your cornerstone players.

If OKC is smart, and I believe they are.. Harteinstein and Chet will start together before long. I prefer Chet at PF anyway. I’d move Dort to the bench.

[PushDaRock]

I think he might be a better offensive player than he's shown in NY. That system had him barely ever touching the ball and extremely low USG because of their style of play. With the Clippers, he was scoring 8.3 ppg in 18 minutes a game. So, I think we could see a bit more offensive production from him in OKC.

[sikma42]

It’s not. His impact metrics peg him as a top 10-15 player in the league

Bruh.

Tell me what’s inaccurate about the post?

Inaccurate…well ’m not up to date on the “impact metrics.” Also not sure if they are meant to rate players. With that said, if they are —-> this a mistake and they need to do some root cause analysis.


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[OkcSinceSGA]

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[zimpy27]

$27.5m, $28.9m, $30.3m (non-guaranteed)


So it's really $56.4m/2 and then a team option for the 3rd.

[Teen Girl Squad]

It’s not. His impact metrics peg him as a top 10-15 player in the league

Bruh.

Tell me what’s inaccurate about the post?

Its a smaller version of the Gobert debates over the years. Post defense/rebounding is very valuable to winning basketball and still underrated by fans. We could nitpick over analytics perhaps overvaluing the skillset the other way due to limitations the the metrics themselves but IH is generally a winning player.

[CelticSooner]

New Power Rankings:

BOS
OKC
NYK
PHI
MIN
DAL
DEN

crazy!

I agree. Great pickup for OKC and big loss for the Knicks.

[zimpy27]

New Power Rankings:

BOS
OKC
NYK
PHI
MIN
DAL
DEN

crazy!

I agree. Great pickup for OKC and big loss for the Knicks.

I fail to see how Knicks are 3rd best with this loss. I have Knicks below Denver on that list.

[UcanUwill]

i think hartenstein will occupy all non-chet minutes, which were a problem in the playoffs. and they will only play together 5-10 minutes a game. they'll be situational about it.

To me, it doesn't make sense to pay a guy almost 30M a year to be a situational fit with one of your cornerstone players.

If OKC is smart, and I believe they are.. Harteinstein and Chet will start together before long. I prefer Chet at PF anyway. I’d move Dort to the bench.

playing 5 out opened that team. If a shooter can adequately play center, you do it, Chet can do that to say the least. Hartenstein is amazing second center, but he shouldn't be the guy stepping on to what made OKC great, IHart is here to fill in all the missing parts.

[slick_watts]

So I have a different take on this than the majority of the board. I have been saying OKC needed to get bigger and I appreciate the irony in the take I am about to make, but I actually wonder if IH was the wrong big for OKC? Before I break it down, I want to be clear, I don’t object to IH as a player, or think he shouldn’t command something in the range of around 23-25 with some allowance for overpaying to compete for his services, my only concern is about fit.

1. Chet Holmgren’s primary defensive skill set is in the paint. He is a shot blocker, he is a rim protector, and as he bulks up he could also be a consistent rebounder. While his 3 point shooting definitely allows him to play the PF, and his slight build may favor him at PF, he can also be defended well by power forwards. Jaden McDaniels is a small forward built like a small ball PF and he gave Chet problems. Giving teams a non shooter big man in IH allows defensive bigs to stay low and negates one of Chet’s best assets, his ability to draw out other teams bigs.

Will edit with point 2.

i think hartenstein will occupy all non-chet minutes, which were a problem in the playoffs. and they will only play together 5-10 minutes a game. they'll be situational about it.

To me, it doesn't make sense to pay a guy almost 30M a year to be a situational fit with one of your cornerstone players.

they had to spend the cap space on something or lose it. who were the other options? tobias harris? i think talent wins out most of the time and hartenstein is the best player they could have got for that money, right now.

[OkcSinceSGA]

Bruh.

Tell me what’s inaccurate about the post?

Its a smaller version of the Gobert debates over the years. Post defense/rebounding is very valuable to winning basketball and still underrated by fans. We could nitpick over analytics perhaps overvaluing the skillset the other way due to limitations the the metrics themselves but IH is generally a winning player.

Even more so when you add his really good passing.

[JN61]

Great addition. Adds little grit to the frontline.