The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2

[bwgood77]

Caruso and Hartenstein to OKC!!!!!! Man that GM . Owner know how to build a team!!!!! They still have a lot of 1sts left as well!

What they have done so far? I am gonna wait to give Presti his flowers when they arrive to the NBA Finals or anything close to that.

You never know in this league. What I know about them as a fact is that they have been too many years out of the playoffs and rebuilding and last year they were eliminated in the 2nd round...not too much to talk about it.

They look good and they can have a good future...but it's all theory for now.

And I have to say it... Hartenstein for $29M per year is a joke.

Well, they just finished year 4 of a rebuild and had the #1 seed. The year before we went to the finals, we had been in the lottery for like a decade and they were the 4/5 seed and had been a competitive playoff team for 15 or so years. They trade us a player that vaults us to the finals and kicks off their rebuild as they fall to 22 wins.

Since then we have lost in the 2nd round in 7, then lost in the 2nd round in 6, and now this year gotten swept in the first round.

They had a second rebuilding year with a bad record, then went nearly 500, a fringe playoff team, and then 57 wins, the #1 seed and losing in the 2nd round in 7.

That sounds like the way to build a team to me. After a long competitive run, tear it down, and after only 2 bad years you are a fringe playoff team, and then the #1 seed, but still young in a tough west so obviously hard for any team to make finals, but especially a young one. They played Dallas a lot tougher though than the team that swept us though and also clobbered us several times this season, I think once even without SGA.

We are one of worst teams for a decade, then cash in all our chips and future to try and win now, fail, fall to a first round sweep team.

Would you rather have our roster and future picks or their's? If you could trade all of our assets (players/picks) for their's, would you?

[BobbieL]

Caruso and Hartenstein to OKC!!!!!! Man that GM . Owner know how to build a team!!!!! They still have a lot of 1sts left as well!

What they have done so far? I am gonna wait to give Presti his flowers when they arrive to the NBA Finals or anything close to that.

You never know in this league. What I know about them as a fact is that they have been too many years out of the playoffs and rebuilding and last year they were eliminated in the 2nd round...not too much to talk about it.

They look good and they can have a good future...but it's all theory for now.

And I have to say it... Hartenstein for $29M per year is a joke.

Well, they just finished year 4 of a rebuild and had the #1 seed. The year before we went to the finals, we had been in the lottery for like a decade and they were the 4/5 seed and had been a competitive playoff team for 15 or so years. They trade us a player that vaults us to the finals and kicks off their rebuild as they fall to 22 wins.

Since then we have lost in the 2nd round in 7, lost in the 2nd round in 6, and gotten swept.

They had a second rebuilding year with a bad record, then went nearly 500, a fringe playoff team, and then 57 wins, the #1 seed and losing in the 2nd round in 7.

That sounds like the way to build a team to me. After a long competitive run, tear it down, and after only 2 bad years you are a fringe playoff team, and then the #1 seed, but still young in a tough west so obviously hard for any team to make finals, but especially a young one. They played Dallas a lot tougher though than the team that swept us though and also clobbered us several times this season, I think once even without SGA.

We are one of worst teams for a decade, than cash in all our chips and future to try and win now, fail, fall to a first round sweep team.

Would you rather have our roster and future picks or their's? If you could trade all of our assets (players/picks) for their's, would you?

Great summation.

Presti has a clue.

[TeamTragic]

He's overpaid but maybe they don't sign him at all if they don't offer that much and don't have another avenue to use the money to get better. If it prevents them from doing something that would improve them more, than it's bad, but does it? I don't know. If it makes them better it doesn't matter really. It is a couple years. He was a difference maker in the playoffs. OKC took the Mavs to 7, and are super young and ahead of schedule.

Also NYK could offer him $19 or 22 mill a year and were going too! Thunder wanted him and got him for $29 mill a year with 3rd year not guaranteed! Great deal, great fit, and good job Thunder.

We are paying Beal high 40s low 50s and dude is complete trash! We arent the ones to talk

Agreed. OKC is going to be a 1-3 seed this year. I like the Klay move for the Mavs combined with a full-season of PJ Washington and Giffords - so they are going to be stout.

Suns -- I think they will be in the play-in game at best. Dunn would be a nice addition at PG - but counting on Morris

Dude the Clippers, Nuggets and Warriors all became worse teams.

Thunder got better and we will see with the Pelicans.

[KLEON]

Good move by the Mavericks
Josh Greene to Charlotte
Wonder what the Warriors will get

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Dubs probly dont get a lot besides the TPE and minorndraft considerations.

Klay Thompson is washed and rinsed. Dudes only in the NBA still cuz of his past. This does nothing for Mavs. Mavs actually were lucky to make it to the finals. Worst finals team I ever seen. They’re trash.

I don't think Klay is washed, I just think he had a bad season. I thought he would've been washed in 2022 when came back from injury and was a huge part of GSW winning it all that year. Once a sniper, always a sniper. He'll be extra motivated to proof everybody wrong. BTW the worst NBA Finals has to be Lakers vs Nets in the early 2000's

[KLEON]

Also NYK could offer him $19 or 22 mill a year and were going too! Thunder wanted him and got him for $29 mill a year with 3rd year not guaranteed! Great deal, great fit, and good job Thunder.

We are paying Beal high 40s low 50s and dude is complete trash! We arent the ones to talk

Agreed. OKC is going to be a 1-3 seed this year. I like the Klay move for the Mavs combined with a full-season of PJ Washington and Giffords - so they are going to be stout.

Suns -- I think they will be in the play-in game at best. Dunn would be a nice addition at PG - but counting on Morris

Dude the Clippers, Nuggets and Warriors all became worse teams.

Thunder got better and we will see with the Pelicans.

Nobody talking about Philly? Tbh there is always a black cat lurking around that team but still they really improved the roster

[TeamTragic]

Agreed. OKC is going to be a 1-3 seed this year. I like the Klay move for the Mavs combined with a full-season of PJ Washington and Giffords - so they are going to be stout.

Suns -- I think they will be in the play-in game at best. Dunn would be a nice addition at PG - but counting on Morris

Dude the Clippers, Nuggets and Warriors all became worse teams.

Thunder got better and we will see with the Pelicans.

Nobody talking about Philly? Tbh there is always a black cat lurking around that team but still they really improved the roster

Sixers got better but Celtics are still unmatched.

[Saberestar]

Caruso and Hartenstein to OKC!!!!!! Man that GM . Owner know how to build a team!!!!! They still have a lot of 1sts left as well!

What they have done so far? I am gonna wait to give Presti his flowers when they arrive to the NBA Finals or anything close to that.

You never know in this league. What I know about them as a fact is that they have been too many years out of the playoffs and rebuilding and last year they were eliminated in the 2nd round...not too much to talk about it.

They look good and they can have a good future...but it's all theory for now.

And I have to say it... Hartenstein for $29M per year is a joke.

Well, they just finished year 4 of a rebuild and had the #1 seed. The year before we went to the finals, we had been in the lottery for like a decade and they were the 4/5 seed and had been a competitive playoff team for 15 or so years. They trade us a player that vaults us to the finals and kicks off their rebuild as they fall to 22 wins.

Since then we have lost in the 2nd round in 7, lost in the 2nd round in 6, and gotten swept.

They had a second rebuilding year with a bad record, then went nearly 500, a fringe playoff team, and then 57 wins, the #1 seed and losing in the 2nd round in 7.

That sounds like the way to build a team to me. After a long competitive run, tear it down, and after only 2 bad years you are a fringe playoff team, and then the #1 seed, but still young in a tough west so obviously hard for any team to make finals, but especially a young one. They played Dallas a lot tougher though than the team that swept us though and also clobbered us several times this season, I think once even without SGA.

We are one of worst teams for a decade, than cash in all our chips and future to try and win now, fail, fall to a first round sweep team.

Would you rather have our roster and future picks or their's? If you could trade all of our assets (players/picks) for their's, would you?

First seed, it's true...but it didn't matter and you know that Nuggets, Wolves and them had the same record going into the last game of the season. They just won 8 games more than us in the regular season.

You can think whatever you want about their way to build a roster, the only thing that I say is that they haven't accomplished anything and it's all about his future and his future.

Yeah, I will say that they have made a terrific job when they arrive to the Finals or something, but for now that hasn't happened and it's not like they are favorites because there are too many good teams in the West. Until then I will wait and see how this plays out.

I love KD and Book and I wouldn't change at all our rosters. And with Ryan Dunn now on our team we are gonna have a talented youngster to develop and enjoy his improvements on our team.

[BobbieL]

Also NYK could offer him $19 or 22 mill a year and were going too! Thunder wanted him and got him for $29 mill a year with 3rd year not guaranteed! Great deal, great fit, and good job Thunder.

We are paying Beal high 40s low 50s and dude is complete trash! We arent the ones to talk

Agreed. OKC is going to be a 1-3 seed this year. I like the Klay move for the Mavs combined with a full-season of PJ Washington and Giffords - so they are going to be stout.

Suns -- I think they will be in the play-in game at best. Dunn would be a nice addition at PG - but counting on Morris

Dude the Clippers, Nuggets and Warriors all became worse teams.

Thunder got better and we will see with the Pelicans.

Warriors were already worse
Nuggets lost KCP - so yes, they might not be better
Clippers got worse

Memphis will be better
Pelicans - too be determined like you said

[sunsfan1o1]

Dubs probly dont get a lot besides the TPE and minorndraft considerations.

Klay Thompson is washed and rinsed. Dudes only in the NBA still cuz of his past. This does nothing for Mavs. Mavs actually were lucky to make it to the finals. Worst finals team I ever seen. They’re trash.

I don't think Klay is washed, I just think he had a bad season. I thought he would've been washed in 2022 when came back from injury and was a huge part of GSW winning it all that year. Once a sniper, always a sniper. He'll be extra motivated to proof everybody wrong. BTW the worst NBA Finals has to be Lakers vs Nets in the early 2000's

He’s been trying to prove everyone wrong for the past 4 years

[BobbieL]

Klay Thompson is washed and rinsed. Dudes only in the NBA still cuz of his past. This does nothing for Mavs. Mavs actually were lucky to make it to the finals. Worst finals team I ever seen. They’re trash.

I don't think Klay is washed, I just think he had a bad season. I thought he would've been washed in 2022 when came back from injury and was a huge part of GSW winning it all that year. Once a sniper, always a sniper. He'll be extra motivated to proof everybody wrong. BTW the worst NBA Finals has to be Lakers vs Nets in the early 2000's

He’s been trying to prove everyone wrong for the past 4 years

I think as a bench player, just spot shooting - letting Luka create open shots - I think he will be better this coming season in Dallas. I think Luka creates the most open shots for teammates of any player in the league.

Now will he primetime SPlash Brother from 2014-2019 - nope, of course not. Will he be better than THJr, I get it, not the highest bar - but I think so.

[Qwigglez]

Klay to the Mavs is solid IMO. Klay was the No 2 option with the Warriors, but he's at his best as the No 3 option. I think the Mavs got a serious upgrade in their offensive power when they desperately needed a third guy who can get buckets. Can they get back to the NBA Finals? Maybe. The West is still tough so it's hard to say and it depends on matchups but I think they improved their team. Klay is the guy that scored, what was it like 61 points when he dribbled the ball only a handful of times? He's now playing with two of the most ball-dominant players in the league.
Like the Suns, the Mavs contending is going to come down to health, but they got Luka in his prime and have surrounded him with players that fit their roster construction. Unlike the Suns, where we have a bunch of mismatched parts. Hopefully, the new coach can turn this team around.

[Slim Charless]

I don't think Klay is washed, I just think he had a bad season. I thought he would've been washed in 2022 when came back from injury and was a huge part of GSW winning it all that year. Once a sniper, always a sniper. He'll be extra motivated to proof everybody wrong. BTW the worst NBA Finals has to be Lakers vs Nets in the early 2000's

He’s been trying to prove everyone wrong for the past 4 years

I think as a bench player, just spot shooting - letting Luka create open shots - I think he will be better this coming season in Dallas. I think Luka creates the most open shots for teammates of any player in the league.

Now will he primetime SPlash Brother from 2014-2019 - nope, of course not. Will he be better than THJr, I get it, not the highest bar - but I think so.

Klay is washed. We should be happy though. He's taking up cap space Dallas could use on good players and he'll be taking shots away from Kyrie and Luka. While being cooked on D

[Qwigglez]

Are the Suns able to work a deal with the Bulls to get Vucevic for Nurkic & Little (or Roddy)? I know Vucevic is bad defensively, but he can spread the floor a lot better than Nurkic with his ability to hit the 3. He also has better touch in the paint than Nurkic. I think Vucevic would be more suitable to Bud's offense too.

[dmastro32]

Are the Suns able to work a deal with the Bulls to get Vucevic for Nurkic & Little (or Roddy)? I know Vucevic is bad defensively, but he can spread the floor a lot better than Nurkic with his ability to hit the 3. He also has better touch in the paint than Nurkic. I think Vucevic would be more suitable to Bud's offense too.

We can’t aggregate player salaries.

[bwgood77]

What they have done so far? I am gonna wait to give Presti his flowers when they arrive to the NBA Finals or anything close to that.

You never know in this league. What I know about them as a fact is that they have been too many years out of the playoffs and rebuilding and last year they were eliminated in the 2nd round...not too much to talk about it.

They look good and they can have a good future...but it's all theory for now.

And I have to say it... Hartenstein for $29M per year is a joke.

Well, they just finished year 4 of a rebuild and had the #1 seed. The year before we went to the finals, we had been in the lottery for like a decade and they were the 4/5 seed and had been a competitive playoff team for 15 or so years. They trade us a player that vaults us to the finals and kicks off their rebuild as they fall to 22 wins.

Since then we have lost in the 2nd round in 7, lost in the 2nd round in 6, and gotten swept.

They had a second rebuilding year with a bad record, then went nearly 500, a fringe playoff team, and then 57 wins, the #1 seed and losing in the 2nd round in 7.

That sounds like the way to build a team to me. After a long competitive run, tear it down, and after only 2 bad years you are a fringe playoff team, and then the #1 seed, but still young in a tough west so obviously hard for any team to make finals, but especially a young one. They played Dallas a lot tougher though than the team that swept us though and also clobbered us several times this season, I think once even without SGA.

We are one of worst teams for a decade, than cash in all our chips and future to try and win now, fail, fall to a first round sweep team.

Would you rather have our roster and future picks or their's? If you could trade all of our assets (players/picks) for their's, would you?

First seed, it's true...but it didn't matter and you know that Nuggets, Wolves and them had the same record going into the last game of the season. They just won 8 games more than us in the regular season.

You can think whatever you want about their way to build a roster, the only thing that I say is that they haven't accomplished anything and it's all about his future and his future.

Yeah, I will say that they have made a terrific job when they arrive to the Finals or something, but for now that hasn't happened and it's not like they are favorites because there are too many good teams in the West. Until then I will wait and see how this plays out.

I love KD and Book and I wouldn't change at all our rosters. And with Ryan Dunn now on our team we are gonna have a talented youngster to develop and enjoy his improvements on our team.

No one was really expecting them to be fighting for a top seed or anything after finishing 10th last year and we were one of the favorites. They accomplished a heck of a lot more than we did, winning 57 games, winning their division and conference in the regular season, winning a playoff round and taking the WCF team to 7 games. No one probably picked them to even be a 2nd round playoff team before the finals. If we are talking about what have we accomplished since overturning our roster? A first round embarrassing sweep when we were among the favorites to start the season. On top of that, after the matchups were announced, everyone said we got our best possible matchup and Minny got their worst possible matchup and they still swept us.

I'd hate to see what our worst matchups would have been.

Anyway, I am surprised someone who is a die hard Suns fan would not trade rosters/assets with the Thunder. They are already better, younger and have tons of assets. I want us to be better, younger and have a ton of assets.

I do admire the optimism for our team, but I don't think we really need to downplay how impressive OKC's rebuild has been. No, they haven't "done" anything yet, if by "done" you mean win a championship (which is hard for any team), but they are in year 1 of their playoffs with their oldest key player being 25.

They also have 4 firsts next year in what is supposed to be one of the better drafts in years with high end blue chip prospects, but also a very deep draft.

Then they have 2 firsts in 26, 27, 28 and 29. Even if they don't win a championship, they are going to be a very competitive contender for years to come barring a catastrophic injury or two.

[bwgood77]

Another C off the table..

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[BobbieL]

With White getting a new deal today and Tatum getting this extension
I think the starting line-up is going to be over $200m

that has to be some kind of record when that lux tax payment is going to hit

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[Crives]

Well, they just finished year 4 of a rebuild and had the #1 seed. The year before we went to the finals, we had been in the lottery for like a decade and they were the 4/5 seed and had been a competitive playoff team for 15 or so years. They trade us a player that vaults us to the finals and kicks off their rebuild as they fall to 22 wins.

Since then we have lost in the 2nd round in 7, lost in the 2nd round in 6, and gotten swept.

They had a second rebuilding year with a bad record, then went nearly 500, a fringe playoff team, and then 57 wins, the #1 seed and losing in the 2nd round in 7.

That sounds like the way to build a team to me. After a long competitive run, tear it down, and after only 2 bad years you are a fringe playoff team, and then the #1 seed, but still young in a tough west so obviously hard for any team to make finals, but especially a young one. They played Dallas a lot tougher though than the team that swept us though and also clobbered us several times this season, I think once even without SGA.

We are one of worst teams for a decade, than cash in all our chips and future to try and win now, fail, fall to a first round sweep team.

Would you rather have our roster and future picks or their's? If you could trade all of our assets (players/picks) for their's, would you?

First seed, it's true...but it didn't matter and you know that Nuggets, Wolves and them had the same record going into the last game of the season. They just won 8 games more than us in the regular season.

You can think whatever you want about their way to build a roster, the only thing that I say is that they haven't accomplished anything and it's all about his future and his future.

Yeah, I will say that they have made a terrific job when they arrive to the Finals or something, but for now that hasn't happened and it's not like they are favorites because there are too many good teams in the West. Until then I will wait and see how this plays out.

I love KD and Book and I wouldn't change at all our rosters. And with Ryan Dunn now on our team we are gonna have a talented youngster to develop and enjoy his improvements on our team.

No one was really expecting them to be fighting for a top seed or anything after finishing 10th last year and we were one of the favorites. They accomplished a heck of a lot more than we did, winning 57 games, winning their division and conference in the regular season, winning a playoff round and taking the WCF team to 7 games. No one probably picked them to even be a 2nd round playoff team before the finals. If we are talking about what have we accomplished since overturning our roster? A first round embarrassing sweep when we were among the favorites to start the season. On top of that, after the matchups were announced, everyone said we got our best possible matchup and Minny got their worst possible matchup and they still swept us.

I'd hate to see what our worst matchups would have been.

Anyway, I am surprised someone who is a die hard Suns fan would not trade rosters/assets with the Thunder. They are already better, younger and have tons of assets. I want us to be better, younger and have a ton of assets.

I do admire the optimism for our team, but I don't think we really need to downplay how impressive OKC's rebuild has been. No, they haven't "done" anything yet, if by "done" you mean win a championship (which is hard for any team), but they are in year 1 of their playoffs with their oldest key player being 25.

They also have 4 firsts next year in what is supposed to be one of the better drafts in years with high end blue chip prospects, but also a very deep draft.

Then they have 2 firsts in 26, 27, 28 and 29. Even if they don't win a championship, they are going to be a very competitive contender for years to come barring a catastrophic injury or two.

No doubt OKC is in a great position. But I still wouldn’t switch places long term. OKC has more assets no doubt, but their owner is “broke boy” worth &400m. At some point they will have to pay everyone, and I don’t trust them to, not to mention OKC very difficult place to draw FA.

[Slim Charless]

With White getting a new deal today and Tatum getting this extension
I think the starting line-up is going to be over $200m

that has to be some kind of record when that lux tax payment is going to hit

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That's why their owner is selling his share. The Grysbouck (sp) are actually in the lower level of NBA owners money wise. Can't afford all that tax.



Kinda wish Ishbia had bought Boston instead of us lol

[Crives]

Lot more then I thought

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