Dallas Mavericks 2024 Trade thread

[MassimoPayne]

Remember the times when someone left the Mavs in June and then nothing happened till September and every other team stacked?

Now they react in real time, have thought out Plan bs. And we even get a name (regardless if Okay helps or not) that was in talks with teams like Lakers etc. Usually we don't the these players when they can decide where they go.

I hope Klay is really focused. He a has a lot of haters to prove and he is willing to do so. Otherwise he could've take more money and went to the Lakers.

[BeiBeau]

Except he's much younger and actually a very solid defender. DJJ was good as above the rim finisher. But he was lacking everywhere else. Suspect at dribbling and finishing around the rim plus average or below average 3pt shooter. I think Naji and Grimes will fill that hole nicely. The only thing Klay has to do is knock down some open shots and he basically already did his job.

Also.. From Woj.

Update on Thompson's Mavs contract: Thompson will do a straight three-year deal without a player option, sources tell ESPN.

He is one year younger than DJJ.

So Marshall is younger, bigger, a better defender, and a better shooter than DJJ is what you’re saying? I’ll take it.

Marshall is still internally improving. Nobody should fool themselves DJJs improvements last year are courtesy of Luka Doncic.

DJJ has played almost twice the number of NBA games Marshall has.

[BeiBeau]

Starting lineup for your new Mavs team.

Still starting
C ) Gafford
PF ) PJ Washington
SF ) Klay Thompson
SG) Kyrie Irving
PG) Luka Doncic

2nd Unit
C) Lively
PF) Kleber (plz trade)
SF) Nadji Marshall
SG) Quinton Grimes
PG) Dante Exum

I like what I'm seeing. When Luka takes a rest - I can see Exum getting minutes. When Kyrie takes a rest - I can see Grimes/Hardy getting minutes. Marshall will get minutes for Klay and PJ Washington.

Area for improvement: Kleber. If we can get a situational player in his mold but with better defense and rebounding that would be idea. Jonathan Issac type? If not, he'll probably be returning next year which isnt the end of the world. We got salary and 2nd round draft picks to do it.

Internal progress: I personally think we need at least 3 point of attack offensive players that can also push the break. I think a big part of our success with this team depends on PJ Washington. Can he be that 3rd guy that pushes the break off the rebound, aggressively look for points going to the basket on offense, and be a set up guy as well? If he develops into that guy (along with working on his 3pt shot) we have 3 legit on ball creators who can get their own or set up our shooters. I think PJ is the key. I hope Kidd and the coaching staff have a growth mindset for PJ. I think everything else fits if we can get PJ to take on a bigger offensive role.

Side note: Anyone else think Nick Bertans is better than Maxi? Why not bring him back in this deal with Cha? He shoots the 3 at a highest percentage than Maxi. Plays with more energy and I would suspect is just as good or better defender. He also has 1 year left. I prefer him as a situational backup PF than Maxi.

Davis Bertans isn’t even on the same planet as Maxi even with Maxi’s flaws, decline, and injuries. Bertans is hypothetically a good shooter but has been average at best for years now, he’s owed 16 million this year so bye bye BAE.

And you’re a Mavs fan dude, you watched Bertans for a year and a half. Bertans, and this is not an exaggeration, is the worst defender in the entire league. I’m dead serious about this, he is 6’10” and worse than Trae Young, honestly, he’s worse on defense then if we let you suit up. That is a crazy statement considering that Maxi has continued to be a positive on the defensive end through the injuries and decline.

[BeiBeau]

Except he's much younger and actually a very solid defender. DJJ was good as above the rim finisher. But he was lacking everywhere else. Suspect at dribbling and finishing around the rim plus average or below average 3pt shooter. I think Naji and Grimes will fill that hole nicely. The only thing Klay has to do is knock down some open shots and he basically already did his job.

Also.. From Woj.

Update on Thompson's Mavs contract: Thompson will do a straight three-year deal without a player option, sources tell ESPN.

He is one year younger than DJJ.

So Marshall is younger, bigger, a better defender, and a better shooter than DJJ is what you’re saying? I’ll take it.

I don’t think he’s a better on ball defender. But DJJs defense is getting a little overrated in general right now. DJJ finished above the rim better too.

Everything else in the game of basketball I think Marshall is better. Shooting, dribbling, rebounding, passing, individual offensive creation, finishing with through contact and below the rim, I would all lean Marshall.

On ball defense is the most important skill Dallas is looking for here, and DJJ is better at that. But Dallas is also really looking for off ball shooting which after last season goes to Marshall. Average those 2 skills out and I vote Marshall.

Marshall may not shoot 39% again from 3 next year which is a risk. But DJJ also had his best shooting year out of 8 seasons last year and was only at 34%.

Dallas is betting that at least a couple of PJ, Marshall, and Grimes will be above league average shooters from 3. Which is a good bet, Grimes is definitely shown the most as a shooter and is likely to get there, we have no reason believe that Marshall’s shooting was a fluke instead of player development, and even PJ has been above league average from 3 twice in his career, at league average twice, and below league average once.

[Archx]

Starting lineup for your new Mavs team.

Still starting
C ) Gafford
PF ) PJ Washington
SF ) Klay Thompson
SG) Kyrie Irving
PG) Luka Doncic

2nd Unit
C) Lively
PF) Kleber (plz trade)
SF) Nadji Marshall
SG) Quinton Grimes
PG) Dante Exum

I like what I'm seeing. When Luka takes a rest - I can see Exum getting minutes. When Kyrie takes a rest - I can see Grimes/Hardy getting minutes. Marshall will get minutes for Klay and PJ Washington.

Area for improvement: Kleber. If we can get a situational player in his mold but with better defense and rebounding that would be idea. Jonathan Issac type? If not, he'll probably be returning next year which isnt the end of the world. We got salary and 2nd round draft picks to do it.

Internal progress: I personally think we need at least 3 point of attack offensive players that can also push the break. I think a big part of our success with this team depends on PJ Washington. Can he be that 3rd guy that pushes the break off the rebound, aggressively look for points going to the basket on offense, and be a set up guy as well? If he develops into that guy (along with working on his 3pt shot) we have 3 legit on ball creators who can get their own or set up our shooters. I think PJ is the key. I hope Kidd and the coaching staff have a growth mindset for PJ. I think everything else fits if we can get PJ to take on a bigger offensive role.

Side note: Anyone else think Nick Bertans is better than Maxi? Why not bring him back in this deal with Cha? He shoots the 3 at a highest percentage than Maxi. Plays with more energy and I would suspect is just as good or better defender. He also has 1 year left. I prefer him as a situational backup PF than Maxi.

Davis Bertans isn’t even on the same planet as Maxi even with Maxi’s flaws, decline, and injuries. Bertans is hypothetically a good shooter but has been average at best for years now, he’s owed 16 million this year so bye bye BAE.

And you’re a Mavs fan dude, you watched Bertans for a year and a half. Bertans, and this is not an exaggeration, is the worst defender in the entire league. I’m dead serious about this, he is 6’10” and worse than Trae Young, honestly, he’s worse on defense then if we let you suit up. That is a crazy statement considering that Maxi has continued to be a positive on the defensive end through the injuries and decline.

His consistency with bad takes is actually incredible. Look at his posts, he constantly calls Luka selfish and a ball hog, etc.. No point even responding anymore. He poped up last season out of nowhere and started trolling.

Also, Mavs are now 4M below 2nd Apron, they can't afford to take anymore salaries unless it's 1 vet min. That would still put them just slightly below 1st max.

And i'm also not sure anyone would take Maxi 1 : 1 to match salaries to make the deal work. I think it's safe to say Maxi stays and Nico will simply find another player for 3.9M vet min and Mavs off season will be done.

[BeiBeau]

I like what I'm seeing. When Luka takes a rest - I can see Exum getting minutes. When Kyrie takes a rest - I can see Grimes/Hardy getting minutes. Marshall will get minutes for Klay and PJ Washington.

Area for improvement: Kleber. If we can get a situational player in his mold but with better defense and rebounding that would be idea. Jonathan Issac type? If not, he'll probably be returning next year which isnt the end of the world. We got salary and 2nd round draft picks to do it.

Internal progress: I personally think we need at least 3 point of attack offensive players that can also push the break. I think a big part of our success with this team depends on PJ Washington. Can he be that 3rd guy that pushes the break off the rebound, aggressively look for points going to the basket on offense, and be a set up guy as well? If he develops into that guy (along with working on his 3pt shot) we have 3 legit on ball creators who can get their own or set up our shooters. I think PJ is the key. I hope Kidd and the coaching staff have a growth mindset for PJ. I think everything else fits if we can get PJ to take on a bigger offensive role.

Side note: Anyone else think Nick Bertans is better than Maxi? Why not bring him back in this deal with Cha? He shoots the 3 at a highest percentage than Maxi. Plays with more energy and I would suspect is just as good or better defender. He also has 1 year left. I prefer him as a situational backup PF than Maxi.

Davis Bertans isn’t even on the same planet as Maxi even with Maxi’s flaws, decline, and injuries. Bertans is hypothetically a good shooter but has been average at best for years now, he’s owed 16 million this year so bye bye BAE.

And you’re a Mavs fan dude, you watched Bertans for a year and a half. Bertans, and this is not an exaggeration, is the worst defender in the entire league. I’m dead serious about this, he is 6’10” and worse than Trae Young, honestly, he’s worse on defense then if we let you suit up. That is a crazy statement considering that Maxi has continued to be a positive on the defensive end through the injuries and decline.

His consistency with bad takes is actually incredible. Look at his posts, he constantly calls Luka selfish and a ball hog, etc.. No point even responding anymore. He poped up last season out of nowhere and started trolling.

Also, Mavs are now 4M below 2nd Apron, they can't afford to take anymore salaries unless it's 1 vet min. That would still put them just slightly below 1st max.

And i'm also not sure anyone would take Maxi 1 : 1 to match salaries to make the deal work. I think it's safe to say Maxi stays and Nico will simply find another player for 3.9M vet min and Mavs off season will be done.

Ehh he’s not as bad or obnoxious as others… we have several posters on here with the basketball understanding that would make Stephen A Smith and Kendrick Perkins look like Albert Einstein and David Hilbert, while also absolutely hating half of our players and constantly **** posting instead of talking basketball.

3.9 is enough or 4.4 if we want to use the BAE and not have it next year, to get a player significantly better then the vet min. I’m just curious where they go with it.

Out guard rotation is Luka, Kyrie, and Grimes which is 1 good defender.

Our forwards is Klay, PJ, and Marshall, and Maxi which is 3 plus defenders.

So do we go grab another POA defender like DSJ? Exum didn’t make the playoff rotation but if we got December Exum to show up in the playoffs that would hit like crack.

Ultimately we should be pretty confident that Luka - Kyrie - Klay - PJ - Lively is the top 5, Marshall, Gafford are 100% in the PO rotation and I think Grimes is 99% to be in the P.O. rotation. Maxi has yet to not make a playoff rotation while he’s in Dallas so he’s likely, and then we have Exum, Hardy, and OMax, plus a 3.9 million dollar player? ANY of those could have a great season.

Ultimately I think Dallas could use some consolidation at the trade deadline.

[Archx]

3.9 is enough or 4.4 if we want to use the BAE and not have it next year, to get a player significantly better then the vet min. I’m just curious where they go with it.

They can't go above 3.9M or they'll end up at the 2nd Apron. They'll just max out the 1st one and call it a day, also better for the future. That's why i believe vet min is the way to go. Only 1 roster spot open anyway. But i have no clue who are they targeting.

It's wild how Nico transformed this team from DFS, Dinwiddie, THj, etc... to what we have now. Insanely good job for a shoe salesman

[arkuo]

Nico throwing his name in the hat for executive of the year.

[arkuo]

3.9M could probably get you DSJ or Dinwiddie as a backup point guard.

Kyrie is not playing 82 games. He'll miss some over the course of the year. So it's nice to have a gooe backup PG.

[BeiBeau]

3.9 is enough or 4.4 if we want to use the BAE and not have it next year, to get a player significantly better then the vet min. I’m just curious where they go with it.

They can't go above 3.9M or they'll end up at the 2nd Apron. They'll just max out the 1st one and call it a day, also better for the future. That's why i believe vet min is the way to go. Only 1 roster spot open anyway. But i have no clue who are they targeting.

It's wild how Nico transformed this team from DFS, Dinwiddie, THj, etc... to what we have now. Insanely good job for a shoe salesman

We don’t have official numbers but running the math if Dallas is back loading Marshall and Klay’s deals, Dallas is 2.5 million below the 1st apron(you keep saying 2nd but they’re below the 1st) and are hard capped at the 1st because of the Klay S&T and Marshall MLE signing. But they have 14 players.

So their for Dallas can cut AJ Lawson and use the rest of the 4.25 million of the MLE and save the BAE for next year. Or they can cut Lawson and use the 4.7 BAE.

Honestly in the name of consolidation I say do it. But only once you get a player you like signed up.

[Mr B]

So the Mavs have about $4M left to spend. Personally I’d like to see them add Spencer Dinwiddie and Marcus Morris (vet min). I believe they would have to cut Lawson though to make room.

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[Archx]

3.9 is enough or 4.4 if we want to use the BAE and not have it next year, to get a player significantly better then the vet min. I’m just curious where they go with it.

They can't go above 3.9M or they'll end up at the 2nd Apron. They'll just max out the 1st one and call it a day, also better for the future. That's why i believe vet min is the way to go. Only 1 roster spot open anyway. But i have no clue who are they targeting.

It's wild how Nico transformed this team from DFS, Dinwiddie, THj, etc... to what we have now. Insanely good job for a shoe salesman

We don’t have official numbers but running the math if Dallas is back loading Marshall and Klay’s deals, Dallas is 2.5 million below the 1st apron(you keep saying 2nd but they’re below the 1st) and are hard capped at the 1st because of the Klay S&T and Marshall MLE signing. But they have 14 players.

So their for Dallas can cut AJ Lawson and use the rest of the 4.25 million of the MLE and save the BAE for next year. Or they can cut Lawson and use the 4.7 BAE.

Honestly in the name of consolidation I say do it. But only once you get a player you like signed up.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/dallas-mavericks/cap/_/year/2024

Nop, read again, i said they'll end up at the 2nd.

But yeah, here are full calculations it's just that they're still counting Green, so that means 190M - 12.6M and you end up at around 177.4M.

[Maverick41]

Throwing a name out that hasn't been said here yet but used to be said a million times.......Saddiq Bey. He's currently out with an ACL injury and won't be available until early 2025. Sign him now while he's cheap. If he comes back and can return to form, he would be a steal at 4 mil per.

[BeiBeau]

They can't go above 3.9M or they'll end up at the 2nd Apron. They'll just max out the 1st one and call it a day, also better for the future. That's why i believe vet min is the way to go. Only 1 roster spot open anyway. But i have no clue who are they targeting.

It's wild how Nico transformed this team from DFS, Dinwiddie, THj, etc... to what we have now. Insanely good job for a shoe salesman

We don’t have official numbers but running the math if Dallas is back loading Marshall and Klay’s deals, Dallas is 2.5 million below the 1st apron(you keep saying 2nd but they’re below the 1st) and are hard capped at the 1st because of the Klay S&T and Marshall MLE signing. But they have 14 players.

So their for Dallas can cut AJ Lawson and use the rest of the 4.25 million of the MLE and save the BAE for next year. Or they can cut Lawson and use the 4.7 BAE.

Honestly in the name of consolidation I say do it. But only once you get a player you like signed up.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/dallas-mavericks/cap/_/year/2024

Nop, read again, i said they'll end up at the 2nd.

But yeah, here are full calculations it's just that they're still counting Green, so that means 190M - 12.6M and you end up at around 177.4M.

1st Apron is at $178,655,000

Dallas has to stay below that because the Klay S&T hard caps them at 1st apron and using the NTMLE on Marshall also hard caps them at the 1st apron.

They currently have roughly 173M to 176M depending on if they’re front loading or back loading or have Marshall as flat 9M a season.

So they’re below the 1st apron, and cannot go above it. But they have enough players to satisfy league rules which is good.

[41Dirk41]

What i like the most about Nico is that he doesn't fall in fall with Mavs players too much like someone here... DFS, THJ, Green, Grant Williams ecc ecc are just mediocre/bad players and he traded him ASAP.

Now we have just Kleber and Powell of that "we love our guys in blue group" but probably they are untradable.
Powell for sure bue he is the head cheerleader so i'm ok with his role.
Kleber will be an expires next year so it's his last season here. Thanks God.

But we have a couple of SRPs, can Nico make another miracle and flip Kleber for a good PF backup?
We will see.

[BeiBeau]

Throwing a name out that hasn't been said here yet but used to be said a million times.......Saddiq Bey. He's currently out with an ACL injury and won't be available until early 2025. Sign him now while he's cheap. If he comes back and can return to form, he would be a steal at 4 mil per.

Meh… when you have one of the greatest offensive creators ever with Kyrie and Klay helping him out, it’s just not really worth it to put the ball in the hand of a career 40% fg shooter.

Especially cause he takes a lot of shots but isn’t really that much better at scoring than PJ, Marshall, or Grimes.

Think he’s just another THJ.

[BeiBeau]

Several thoughts:

1. Dallas has needed more off ball movement to create better looks. But Klay Thompson at his age, and injury history arguably moved too much. We for sure need more off ball movement, but if half the time he isn’t moving off ball and can just post up in the corner he can save some of his legs for defense. So it’s both sides, Golden State had him running too much and taking too much of an offensive load on offense, Dallas should use that 40% of the time, 50?, 60?. But simplifying the offensive role can help the defense. Just look what happened to Ant Edwards in the WCF, Ant is a great defender, 22, and the best athlete in the league and even he couldn’t keep up on offense AND defense. So simplifying the role for Klay can improve his defense from fine to okay. But Dallas still needs off ball movement some.

2. Dallas will have Grimes and Marshall off the bench, that is both of their primary POA defenders. PJ can do it in spurts, but unless the shots are falling Dallas likely can’t go long stretches of Luka, Kyrie, and Klay. 5 minutes at a time, sure, but once it gets to 8, 9, 10 minutes the defense could get rough. We have seen Kidd make early substitutions in games and I think the rotation should be Kyrie getting replaced by Grimes or Marshall early so that Kyrie can sub back in with the 2nd unit. Klay isn’t the creator, he’s best with always having Luka or Kyrie with him.

3. The internal improvements are a big thing to watch. Everyone talks about Lively’s 3pt shot, but I think the gap between him now and being a all star one day soon is his ability to attack mismatches off the bounce when he gets the ball on a dribble handoff. If he has the ball at the line and a guard switches on him he should attack them, he did that a bit last season. But if Lively gets to the point where a forward matching on to him is a mismatch, and get a 3pt shot he will be a HoFer. If he develops to that one day he would be Bam Adebayo on steroids. OMax development is hopefully coming, he was one of the best perimeter defenders in all of college basketball 2 years ago, it’s just offensive awareness and his shot. Is Hardy going to build on his playoffs? His passing was nice and so was his spot up shooting and when **** hits the fan he still a bucket.

[arkuo]

As far as I'm concerned, the lineups are fluid. I trust Kidd to figure that part out. Nico did his part to address that awful 17% shooting. I feel Kidd is someone Klay would be able to respect in a way that he won't for Lebron and Klutch friends. It's hard to look at the Lakers and not laugh. Klutch assembled mostly their clients around Lebron, and Lebron hired his youtube podcaster as head coach. To be honest, Lakers are just waiting for Lebron to retire so they can just start the rebuild. Signing someone like Derozan to like 3 years would just prolong that rebuild further.

[Maverick41]

Meh… when you have one of the greatest offensive creators ever with Kyrie and Klay helping him out, it’s just not really worth it to put the ball in the hand of a career 40% fg shooter.

Especially cause he takes a lot of shots but isn’t really that much better at scoring than PJ, Marshall, or Grimes.

Think he’s just another THJ.

Maybe you're right but I think the guy has some decent potential (not as star but a good higher end rotation guy). I tend to like to buy-low on these type of guys and see what they do in winning situations.

Also my line of thinking is that I see Nico eventually consolidating some of guys for a bigger piece along with the FRPs. He's solid depth at the wings should we package some of our bigger contracts.