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Garrett Temple to return to Raptors: Source

A team source confirms the Raptors have agreed to terms with Garrett Temple, who will enter his 15th season at age 38. ESPN first reported the deal.

Temple will be one of the oldest players in the league, behind only LeBron James, P.J. Tucker and a handful of other players (including Kyle Lowry) who have yet to sign deals for next season.

Wizards legend

Amazing career longevity.

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Garrett Temple to return to Raptors: Source

A team source confirms the Raptors have agreed to terms with Garrett Temple, who will enter his 15th season at age 38. ESPN first reported the deal.

Temple will be one of the oldest players in the league, behind only LeBron James, P.J. Tucker and a handful of other players (including Kyle Lowry) who have yet to sign deals for next season.

Wizards legend

Amazing career longevity.

I think if you can stick around 15 plus years that definitely should put you in contention for hall of fame.


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How about that for Taj! & it's great that Garrett Temple is still in the league!

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As has been mentioned in the Alex Sarr thread, he has more potential than any other Wizards player this century. While contemplating the great things ahead for such a talented player, I reminisced about three similarly high potential Wizards, who for a brief period of time, strung some games together that made me think they were on the cusp of a legit breakout, and poised for stardom. Kwame, Andray, and Javale.

Kwame – in March 2004, he strung together consecutive 21/6, 30/19, 27/11, and 21/12 games. I thought we were looking at the next Jermaine O’Neal. He looked confident, quick, and physical. Then that summer he broke his foot, he got out of shape, had chemistry issues with Gilbert, and he was shipped out for Caron.

Andray – Post blow-up of 2010, he had a 32-game streak where he posted 22/8.5. He was the next KG! Admittedly on so-so efficiency. The following year he because the self-professed captain, but his work ethic never matched his skill, and was cut using the amnesty provision before his extension kicked in.

Javale – Near the end of 2011, he had a 7-game stint where he was dominate averaging 18/12/3. During this time, he had the infamous block on Wes Matthews where he snatched the ball out of the air instead of swatting it in the 15th row like he did in Sacramento before trying to dunk from the free throw line. He never got it mentally, and was shipped out before the end of the following season for Nene, which ended up being a good trade by EG.

Anyways, this thought exercise made me wonder which of these tantalizing players is the biggest “what if?” If circumstances were a little different, would any of these players have been something more than what they amounted to? If EG wasn’t around? If MJ wasn’t unruly? If the shoe-pooper helped create a better culture? I dunno. Part of me still believes that if Kwame didn’t hurt his foot in ‘04, and came to camp in shape, him and Gilbert would have connected and been a force.

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...we'll never know!

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More evidence for my thesis that Gilbert Arenas is a POS: https://www.complex.com/sports/a/tracewilliamcowen/gilbert-arenas-xenophobic-reaction-team-usa-south-sudan

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Completely unacceptable and disgusting comments. Wow. Just wow.

[Kanyewest]

More evidence for my thesis that Gilbert Arenas is a POS: https://www.complex.com/sports/a/tracewilliamcowen/gilbert-arenas-xenophobic-reaction-team-usa-south-sudan

Looks like Arenas apologized at 8:45 pm in the updated version of the article.

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So Tyus walks and we get nothing again. This front office better draft well because other than the whole Beal thing, they aren't exactly winning trades on raw value.

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Completely unacceptable and disgusting comments. Wow. Just wow.

Wes Unseld never would’ve said anything so ignorant, and Arenas once again reminds me why he never displaced Unseld as my favorite franchise player. What an undignified look for him and the franchise. I hope he takes walking that **** back seriously. That team lost by one point. They deserve a lot of respect, not bigotry.

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So Tyus walks and we get nothing again. This front office better draft well because other than the whole Beal thing, they aren't exactly winning trades on raw value.

I give up. Honestly, I really do.

Did you want to re-sign Tyus Jones? If so, please point to the post where you commented to that effect.

If you didn't want to re-sign him, do you understand that Tyus Jones was a free agent. Unrestricted.

He went to the team he wanted to go to.

Full effing stop.

[Kanyewest]

So Tyus walks and we get nothing again. This front office better draft well because other than the whole Beal thing, they aren't exactly winning trades on raw value.

The KP trade was a loss. I think people really liked Tyus Jones statistical production but there was no point of him coming to the Wizards given the lack of a quality players around him. I believe the Wizards could have gotten multiple 2nd rounders from Orlando but were dead set on getting a 1st rounder. Poor asset management by Dawkins/Winger if that were the case.

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So Tyus walks and we get nothing again. This front office better draft well because other than the whole Beal thing, they aren't exactly winning trades on raw value.

I give up. Honestly, I really do.

Did you want to re-sign Tyus Jones? If so, please point to the post where you commented to that effect.

If you didn't want to re-sign him, do you understand that Tyus Jones was a free agent. Unrestricted.

He went to the team he wanted to go to.

Full effing stop.

I like Tyus and have said here that we should resign him to a declining contract as trade bait like we did Avdija and Kuzma. Given the choice, I'd rather have resigned Tyus than Kuzma because I prefer a vet that is a setup man and can help raise the value of other players to one that thinks he's a primary scorer.

I made a number of posts saying that we didn't get a good deal for getting Tyus as the main return for Porzingis. With Morris here, Tyus was not a big upgrade plus we had multiple players at the PG, none of which we got good value for. So we dealt Morris for a 2nd, dealt Paul for Poole who couldn't play with Tyus, then let Tyus go unsigned.

Yes, I'm on record for this. Every time I posted parts of it (other than the resign to a declining deal), you disagreed so you should be aware that I've been saying it since we acquired him. You can and have disagreed, but it's been a consistent stand.

The Beal trade was good value. I acknowledge that. Otherwise, it seems our returns were and continue to be light. But if our drafts work out well, it won't matter. That's how this front office will be judged.

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So Tyus walks and we get nothing again. This front office better draft well because other than the whole Beal thing, they aren't exactly winning trades on raw value.

I give up. Honestly, I really do....

I like Tyus and have said here that we should resign him to a declining contract as trade bait like we did Avdija and Kuzma.... I'm on record for this. Every time I posted parts of it (other than the resign to a declining deal), you disagreed so you should be aware that I've been saying it since we acquired him. You can and have disagreed, but it's been a consistent stand....

Fair enough,

But, note that Tyus just signed a 1-year deal for $3m.
That's the best he & his agent could get.

Obviously, signing him for multiple years -- to use "as trade bait," no less! -- would have been an awful idea!

I made a number of posts saying that we didn't get a good deal for getting Tyus as the main return for Porzingis....

Which indicates that for some reason you don't understand the Porzingis transaction. At all. Period. Not one bit.
&, since you are a smart guy that means you haven't really thought it through.

As Doc & I & no doubt others have explained about 100 times...
Porzingis was leaving. He was opting out of his option to become an unrestricted FA & sign with Boston.

Is that clear?

Which meant that we would have gotten nothing for Porzingis.
Got it?

But, at the same time,
Boston was also trading Marcus Smart to Memphis.
Understood?

Because Boston was just as happy not to take back a player in that deal, the agents & GMs all agreed that Jones would be funneled to us.
Got it?

In short, we got Tyus Jones for nothing.
We'd already lost KP. & were getting nothing back, B/c we had no rights over him.

The Beal trade was good value. I acknowledge that. Otherwise, it seems our returns were and continue to be light....

No. Reread the above.

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...The KP trade was a loss.... I believe the Wizards could have gotten multiple 2nd rounders from Orlando but were dead set on getting a 1st rounder. Poor asset management by Dawkins/Winger if that were the case.

Good God! Will this ever go away?

NO! KP was declining his option in order to become a FA & sign with Boston. Period. We had no control -- zip, zero, nada -- over where he was going to play next. We had no ability to trade him. We had no way to get anything back for him. At all.

Is that clear? So... how did we wind up with Tyus Jones?

At the same time, Boston was trading Smart to Memphis. But, they didn't want to take back a player in the deal. Why? B/c they'd have had to cut someone from their roster if they did.

Rather than do that, they structured the Memphis deal to send Tyus to us.

That's it. That's all there is to it. There is no more. There was no way to trade KP to another team -- NO WAY -- & there was no way to get more (or other) than Tyus from Memphis.

In short, so far from being a "bad" deal, this was a deal in which Will managed to get us something (Tyus Jones) for nothing (we got Jones instead of getting nothing whatever for KP).

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I wish the folks who keep complaining about our "loss" of KP would read the above carefully, so that the claim would stop turning up over & over.

[Kanyewest]

...The KP trade was a loss.... I believe the Wizards could have gotten multiple 2nd rounders from Orlando but were dead set on getting a 1st rounder. Poor asset management by Dawkins/Winger if that were the case.

Good God! Will this ever go away?

NO! KP was declining his option in order to become a FA & sign with Boston. Period. We had no control -- zip, zero, nada -- over where he was going to play next. We had no ability to trade him. We had no way to get anything back for him. At all.

Is that clear? So... how did we wind up with Tyus Jones?

At the same time, Boston was trading Smart to Memphis. But, they didn't want to take back a player in the deal. Why? B/c they'd have had to cut someone from their roster if they did.

Rather than do that, they structured the Memphis deal to send Tyus to us.

That's it. That's all there is to it. There is no more. There was no way to trade KP to another team -- NO WAY -- & there was no way to get more (or other) than Tyus from Memphis.

In short, so far from being a "bad" deal, this was a deal in which Will managed to get us something (Tyus Jones) for nothing (we got Jones instead of getting nothing whatever for KP).

Agree to disagree- we just saw Bridges who seemed to only want to go to the Knicks and they extracted 5 first rounders. Saw the San Antonio taking on Barnes in a sign and trade for a first rounder. Granted KP could have declined his option but Boston would not have had the flexibility to sign him outright. it seemed like that the Wizards front office a) wanted to help KP go to the destination of his choice and create goodwill and B) valued Tyus Jones more than the first rounders that Boston received back in the Tyus Jones trade.


Anyways, Jones was overvalued statistically given that no team was willing to give the Wizards a first rounder for him and that he signed for a minimum salary. For a team that just finished with 15 wins- there was no point in getting Jones. Wizards could have traded Jones at the deadline to Orlando- it's a loss.