Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4

[LeTimmAy]

Would Reed plus picks for Lauri work? Asking for a friend...

[MikRay]

Would Reed plus picks for Lauri work? Asking for a friend...

Not with Danny in charge he doesn’t lose trades

[NearingZero]

Since I've been concerned about a 1st apron hard-cap, I finally went ahead and looked up the actual current CBA document on the player's association site.

As best I can tell, using the full Room MLE does not hard-cap a team at the 1st apron. The relevant portion is Article VII, Section 2(e). The Transaction Restrictions Table specifically ties the 1st apron to the Non-Tax MLE by name, rather than any amount above the Tax MLE.

Taking back more than 100% of outgoing salary is still a hard-cap trigger, so suggestions about simply trading Reed for a player making $15M must take the apron into account.

But at the very least, there are possible avenues to exceeding the 1st apron in order to acquire more expensive players.

[Iscull]

If we have $15MM (Including trading Reed), some trade options below:

- Brandon Clarke, Grizzlies
- DFS, Nets
- Chris Boucher, Raptors
- Bobby Portis, Bucks
- Jabari Smith, Rockets
- Tres Lyles, Kings
- Jarred Vanderbilt, Lakers

Jabari Smith would be the best get. Young, two way player who can bring size and shooting against the celtics.

[FireMorey]

Don't think any of the names being talked about are worth being hard capped for. Unless they can somehow manage to swing a trade without being hard capped. I don't know if it's at all possible.

I have a hunch Morey, who likes to tinker, won't hard cap himself unless he can get a true difference maker.

[Arsenal]

Since I've been concerned about a 1st apron hard-cap, I finally went ahead and looked up the actual current CBA document on the player's association site.

As best I can tell, using the full Room MLE does not hard-cap a team at the 1st apron. The relevant portion is Article VII, Section 2(e). The Transaction Restrictions Table specifically ties the 1st apron to the Non-Tax MLE by name, rather than any amount above the Tax MLE.

Taking back more than 100% of outgoing salary is still a hard-cap trigger, so suggestions about simply trading Reed for a player making $15M must take the apron into account.

But at the very least, there are possible avenues to exceeding the 1st apron in order to acquire more expensive players.

Good work! Looks like we can go over the 1st Apron after all.

Something like:

Sixers out:
Paul Reed ($8m)
KJ Martin ($14m S&T)

That equals $15m outgoing salary since Martin only counts for 50% going out due to BYC. With $15m out we can bring back $15m in trade (DFS?) without triggering the 1st Apron hard cap.

[MikRay]

If we have $15MM (Including trading Reed), some trade options below:

- Brandon Clarke, Grizzlies
- DFS, Nets
- Chris Boucher, Raptors
- Bobby Portis, Bucks
- Jabari Smith, Rockets
- Tres Lyles, Kings
- Jarred Vanderbilt, Lakers

Jabari Smith would be the best get. Young, two way player who can bring size and shooting against the celtics.

Portis
Portis
Portis


We need a junk yard dogg!

[NearingZero]

Since I've been concerned about a 1st apron hard-cap, I finally went ahead and looked up the actual current CBA document on the player's association site.

As best I can tell, using the full Room MLE does not hard-cap a team at the 1st apron. The relevant portion is Article VII, Section 2(e). The Transaction Restrictions Table specifically ties the 1st apron to the Non-Tax MLE by name, rather than any amount above the Tax MLE.

Taking back more than 100% of outgoing salary is still a hard-cap trigger, so suggestions about simply trading Reed for a player making $15M must take the apron into account.

But at the very least, there are possible avenues to exceeding the 1st apron in order to acquire more expensive players.

Good work! Looks like we can go over the 1st Apron after all.

Something like:

Sixers out:
Paul Reed ($8m)
KJ Martin ($14m S&T)

That equals $15m outgoing salary since Martin only counts for 50% going out due to BYC. With $15m out we can bring back $15m in trade (DFS?) without triggering the 1st Apron hard cap.

One thing I have no sense of is how many teams would be fine hard-capped at the 1st apron for receiving a S&T player. And how much extra draft compensation do we have to give for them to pay KJ Martin that kind of money?

But maybe it can be a multi-team trade to make it easier. No clue if there are extra restrictions on that when it's a sign & trade.

Or they just avoid the hard-cap for now, sign Martin to something smaller ($8M?), and look for upgrades mid-season.

[Black Mage]

If we have $15MM (Including trading Reed), some trade options below:

- Brandon Clarke, Grizzlies
- DFS, Nets
- Chris Boucher, Raptors
- Bobby Portis, Bucks
- Jabari Smith, Rockets
- Tres Lyles, Kings
- Jarred Vanderbilt, Lakers

Jabari Smith would be the best get. Young, two way player who can bring size and shooting against the celtics.

I see Bobby Portis as having value equal or higher than Caruso. I'm still prepared to offer that value to get him to Philly. I don't see Bucks doing it, but who knows if they see assets as opening doors to future moves for them.

Of the rest, DFS or Boucher could work. I don't see Lakers helping us.

[rzzzzz]

Not with Danny in charge he doesn’t lose trades

He definitely ate the Nets lunch years’ back, and got the best of us over Fultz. Though I doubt he had any advance realization that Markelle was going to injure his shoulder sometime after Summer League and lose that beautiful outside shot. He was also incredibly fortunate that Josh Jackson, who Danny was enamored with, cancelled his workout with the Celtics, while Danny was IN FLIGHT cross country.

And leave us not forget that Danny admitted to the Boston press that he had worked out a deal with Hinkie to trade Boston’s pick, which turned out to be #4 and used for Brown, for Jahlil, only to have Jerry Colangelo step in and scotch it, the final power play that pushed Sam out of the organization.

[Black Mage]

Since I've been concerned about a 1st apron hard-cap, I finally went ahead and looked up the actual current CBA document on the player's association site.

As best I can tell, using the full Room MLE does not hard-cap a team at the 1st apron. The relevant portion is Article VII, Section 2(e). The Transaction Restrictions Table specifically ties the 1st apron to the Non-Tax MLE by name, rather than any amount above the Tax MLE.

Taking back more than 100% of outgoing salary is still a hard-cap trigger, so suggestions about simply trading Reed for a player making $15M must take the apron into account.

But at the very least, there are possible avenues to exceeding the 1st apron in order to acquire more expensive players.

Good work! Looks like we can go over the 1st Apron after all.

Something like:

Sixers out:
Paul Reed ($8m)
KJ Martin ($14m S&T)

That equals $15m outgoing salary since Martin only counts for 50% going out due to BYC. With $15m out we can bring back $15m in trade (DFS?) without triggering the 1st Apron hard cap.

Isn't a S&T rule that you cannot combine another outgoing salary?

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Given those numbers. I'd kinda love to see DDR go to Orlando, that could be a seriously fun team.

[Stanford]

Though I doubt he had any advance realization that Markelle was going to injure his shoulder sometime after Summer League and lose that beautiful outside shot.

Let's be honest with ourselves. Ainge nailed his assessment of Markelle and we were not a healthy shoulder away from a superstar. We can admit that now.

[FireMorey]

If the names listed though, I wouldn't be shocked if Vanderbilt interested them because they had interest before. He started off pretty well with the Lakers at first, but since then he's kinda stunk. His utter zero of an offensive game makes him hard to play for longer stretches. He's not someone I'd commit to and he's signed for several more years.

Wouldn't be shocked to see the Sixers add Reggie Bullock for the minimum though some time soon.

I went searching for some lower salary guys the Sixers could target in trades. So they could have better options than minimum salary guys, but also absorb them into the cap without being hard capped. They may want to save their picks for high level impact guys, but just in case they're exploring other kinds of small to medium sized trades I went through some names. And I have no idea if any of these guys are available but some names:

Tari Eason
EJ Lidell
David Roddy
Jaden McDaniels
Isaac Okoro
Chris Duarte

[Black Mage]

Though I doubt he had any advance realization that Markelle was going to injure his shoulder sometime after Summer League and lose that beautiful outside shot.

Let's be honest with ourselves. Ainge nailed his assessment of Markelle and we were not a healthy shoulder away from a superstar. We can admit that now.

Let's not forget that there were reports he shot poorly in his try out with the Celtics and then Pompey's infamous report that Markelle went 0-13 or something like that from deep during his cut short workout before media (I recall the excuse was he was tired from the I-95 drive up from Baltimore).

The signs were there. BC was just blinded by wanting to prove to the world he beat Ainge and nailed the roster construction.

[Black Mage]

If the names listed though, I wouldn't be shocked if Vanderbilt interested them because they had interest before. He started off pretty well with the Lakers at first, but since then he's kinda stunk. His utter zero of an offensive game makes him hard to play for longer stretches. He's not someone I'd commit to and he's signed for several more years.

Wouldn't be shocked to see the Sixers add Reggie Bullock for the minimum though some time soon.

I went searching for some lower salary guys the Sixers could target in trades. So they could have better options than minimum salary guys, but also absorb them into the cap without being hard capped. They may want to save their picks for high level impact guys, but just in case they're exploring other kinds of small to medium sized trades I went through some names. And I have no idea if any of these guys are available but some names:

Tari Eason
EJ Lidell
David Roddy
Jaden McDaniels
Isaac Okoro
Chris Duarte

Tari would be great, but I don't see Houston selling him. Houston is probably waiting to package talent and picks for when Phoenix blows it up midseason (Booker anyone?).

Okoro would be a nice get. Given how Nurse used guys in Toronto and some of the on-ball limitations we have for defenders, I think he and Morey are going to prioritize guys who are strong offball team defenders. Funnel opponents into Embiid's den, but actually give the big guy intelligent defenders that move, rotate, double off the ball; so that when he commits to the driver, he doesn't get burned by his guy being left open for an easy score. Tobias was god awful on processing on the fly defensive rotations. Reed's not much better which is why I think he's definitely gone.

[Doramas]

Which do you prefer?
Dorian Finney-Smith/ Taurean Prince/ Grant Williams/ Caleb Martin

[Stanford]

Though I doubt he had any advance realization that Markelle was going to injure his shoulder sometime after Summer League and lose that beautiful outside shot.

Let's be honest with ourselves. Ainge nailed his assessment of Markelle and we were not a healthy shoulder away from a superstar. We can admit that now.

Let's not forget that there were reports he shot poorly in his try out with the Celtics and then Pompey's infamous report that Markelle went 0-13 or something like that from deep during his cut short workout before media (I recall the excuse was he was tired from the I-95 drive up from Baltimore).

The signs were there. BC was just blinded by wanting to prove to the world he beat Ainge and nailed the roster construction.

Plus, the narrative that Markelle was theperfect fit and the final piece was effectively an admission that Ben Simmons was not a lead guard and never would be. Despite that admission, the front office continued to build the team as if he was one.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Gordon Hayward is also a really good connective passer if that’s something we’re looking to add. Unfortunately I think he’s washed.

Hayward works if we use him like Batum. Batum was incredibly valuable on inbound passes towards the end of games. We can replace that along with his shooting with Hayward. It's not a bad idea at all.