Miami Heat Offseason Thread Vol. 3: Fraudfather Snoozin

[VaDe255]

He's the vet scorer they've needed since Dragic was done with that injury in the bubble. It does more than you think but I wouldn't expect him to score as much as he did last year.

He's not, just check his playoff stats, absolutely awful and he is 35y now, no thank you.

He was horrible in the playoffs when he was in Toronto but he's gotten better while staying the #1 option, he's not going to be the #1 option in the playoffs for Miami, just the regular season. His career average in the playoffs is nearly 22 ppg but took nearly 19 shots.

Right now, at SG, Herro has a career playoffs average of 14.3 ppg on 12.7 shots.

DeRozan isn't a good defender, but he's better than Herro is and can play the 2-4, he played PF in San Antonio.

It's a short term move to get DeRozan for an upgrade on the roster, this isn't a long-term option, maybe Miami can time the older player's contracts to be expiring all at the same time to have a chance to make some big moves in free agency also S&Ts for a soft rebuild around Bam.

Why do we need to compare everyone to Herro?

DeRozan is not a fit on this team, he operates in the mid range and is only effective when he can draw fouls, it's absolute anti chemistry with Jimmy on the court. What are they going to take turns trying to shoot 20+ FTs between the two each game?

Come man 35y old DeRozan is just non sense, at this point trading Jimmy and developing the young talent is the right move.

It's hilarious to me that ppl think 35y DeRozan is going to make this team competetive against the stacked Boston/NY/76ers team.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Pack it up and go home, just like Demar is doing by going to the Lakers. The Washed Father is outmatched yet again, the jig is up

[3ammy3uck3ts]

He's not, just check his playoff stats, absolutely awful and he is 35y now, no thank you.

He was horrible in the playoffs when he was in Toronto but he's gotten better while staying the #1 option, he's not going to be the #1 option in the playoffs for Miami, just the regular season. His career average in the playoffs is nearly 22 ppg but took nearly 19 shots.

Right now, at SG, Herro has a career playoffs average of 14.3 ppg on 12.7 shots.

DeRozan isn't a good defender, but he's better than Herro is and can play the 2-4, he played PF in San Antonio.

It's a short term move to get DeRozan for an upgrade on the roster, this isn't a long-term option, maybe Miami can time the older player's contracts to be expiring all at the same time to have a chance to make some big moves in free agency also S&Ts for a soft rebuild around Bam.

Why do we need to compare everyone to Herro?

DeRozan is not a fit on this team, he operates in the mid range and is only effective when he can draw fouls, it's absolute anti chemistry with Jimmy on the court. What are they going to take turns trying to shoot 20+ FTs between the two each game?

Come man 35y old DeRozan is just non sense, at this point trading Jimmy and developing the young talent is the right move.

It's hilarious to me that ppl think 35y DeRozan is going to make this team competetive against the stacked Boston/NY/76ers team.

We need to point out how much Herro sucks compared to everyone so some of you finally get it through your thick skulls!!

[Daffy]

There is good reason for that. He makes far too much money, won't come off the bench, and is injured far too much. I loved the guy, truly, but he continually let's me down. Enough is enough. He's crippling us as the third guy.

Now knowing Pat Riley and Spo who we've both seen ship players out for not aligning with their vision I beg you to ask yourself this...do you think Herro starting is his choice or their choice. Look around the league. Herro's price point is pretty much the going rate these days. Do you think Cade was worth his contract? No but it's the price of business. That center OKC signed just went for 29m a year.

Right, if his salary is the price tag these days, he should be relatively easy to move.

I know who sets the starting lineup. That's not the point. A real team player is willing to do what's in the best interests of the team. We were much better with him coming off the bench. And now, with our only point guard having a similar skill set? We need him to come off the bench more than ever, but he hasn't relented, has he?

Ask yourself this; would a real Heat player choose himself over the team?

Real heat player? What is that? Can we stop believing in this nonsense that the front office and media team pushes and feed us.

Did they take care of the "real heat player" when they had the opportunity to do right by him....Wade.

Did they surround the current real heat player with talent after he showed he just needed a little more when he forced his way here? Butler.

After watching a real heat player in Bam shoulder the load of the big man with functional size (no diddy) on the team it took them what 5 years to decide "Hey we should get this guy some help down low in actual size"


Did they care about "real heat players" when they got rid of Mike Miller in the midst of a dynasty to save money after those players had already taken pay cuts?

So please miss me with that players choosing themselves over this Heat team.

[HeatingUp3]

I guess we so despert we would taje anyone lol

[MettaWorldPanda]

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[AirP.]

He's not, just check his playoff stats, absolutely awful and he is 35y now, no thank you.

He was horrible in the playoffs when he was in Toronto but he's gotten better while staying the #1 option, he's not going to be the #1 option in the playoffs for Miami, just the regular season. His career average in the playoffs is nearly 22 ppg but took nearly 19 shots.

Right now, at SG, Herro has a career playoffs average of 14.3 ppg on 12.7 shots.

DeRozan isn't a good defender, but he's better than Herro is and can play the 2-4, he played PF in San Antonio.

It's a short term move to get DeRozan for an upgrade on the roster, this isn't a long-term option, maybe Miami can time the older player's contracts to be expiring all at the same time to have a chance to make some big moves in free agency also S&Ts for a soft rebuild around Bam.

Why do we need to compare everyone to Herro?

DeRozan is not a fit on this team, he operates in the mid range and is only effective when he can draw fouls, it's absolute anti chemistry with Jimmy on the court. What are they going to take turns trying to shoot 20+ FTs between the two each game?

Come man 35y old DeRozan is just non sense, at this point trading Jimmy and developing the young talent is the right move.

It's hilarious to me that ppl think 35y DeRozan is going to make this team competetive against the stacked Boston/NY/76ers team.

Sure, how dare I think the guy who came in 2nd in the clutch award last year would help Miami for a year or 2, I advocate using his last year as an expiring contract with another asset or 2 to acquire a new good player.

Why Herro, because of his contract being the 3rd highest paid player, how many shots he takes each night while being in the lower part of the roster for scoring efficiency.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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It’s Spover

[Daffy]

He's not, just check his playoff stats, absolutely awful and he is 35y now, no thank you.

He was horrible in the playoffs when he was in Toronto but he's gotten better while staying the #1 option, he's not going to be the #1 option in the playoffs for Miami, just the regular season. His career average in the playoffs is nearly 22 ppg but took nearly 19 shots.

Right now, at SG, Herro has a career playoffs average of 14.3 ppg on 12.7 shots.

DeRozan isn't a good defender, but he's better than Herro is and can play the 2-4, he played PF in San Antonio.

It's a short term move to get DeRozan for an upgrade on the roster, this isn't a long-term option, maybe Miami can time the older player's contracts to be expiring all at the same time to have a chance to make some big moves in free agency also S&Ts for a soft rebuild around Bam.

Why do we need to compare everyone to Herro?

DeRozan is not a fit on this team, he operates in the mid range and is only effective when he can draw fouls, it's absolute anti chemistry with Jimmy on the court. What are they going to take turns trying to shoot 20+ FTs between the two each game?

Come man 35y old DeRozan is just non sense, at this point trading Jimmy and developing the young talent is the right move.

It's hilarious to me that ppl think 35y DeRozan is going to make this team competetive against the stacked Boston/NY/76ers team.

One of our problems has been offense and he helps with that. Last post season we were in most games until we gave up 1 bad run to Boston in those games and that was without Jimmy and Rozier. Adding Jimmy, Rozier, and Derozan would he a major help


Having Derozan also helps take attention away from Jimmy. Boston and NY are loaded with wing defenders. Having that additional scorer allows for more single coverage than doubles.

[Daffy]

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It’s Spover

This sounds like Lauri smoke.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Aaron Goodwin is his agent. It’s over.

[BBallFreak]

Now knowing Pat Riley and Spo who we've both seen ship players out for not aligning with their vision I beg you to ask yourself this...do you think Herro starting is his choice or their choice. Look around the league. Herro's price point is pretty much the going rate these days. Do you think Cade was worth his contract? No but it's the price of business. That center OKC signed just went for 29m a year.

Right, if his salary is the price tag these days, he should be relatively easy to move.

I know who sets the starting lineup. That's not the point. A real team player is willing to do what's in the best interests of the team. We were much better with him coming off the bench. And now, with our only point guard having a similar skill set? We need him to come off the bench more than ever, but he hasn't relented, has he?

Ask yourself this; would a real Heat player choose himself over the team?

Real heat player? What is that? Can we stop believing in this nonsense that the front office and media team pushes and feed us.

Did they take care of the "real heat player" when they had the opportunity to do right by him....Wade.

Did they surround the current real heat player with talent after he showed he just needed a little more when he forced his way here? Butler.

After watching a real heat player in Bam shoulder the load of the big man with functional size (no diddy) on the team it took them what 5 years to decide "Hey we should get this guy some help down low in actual size"


Did they care about "real heat players" when they got rid of Mike Miller in the midst of a dynasty to save money after those players had already taken pay cuts?

So please miss me with that players choosing themselves over this Heat team.

This isn't a heat culture thing, this is a winning thing. When the best damn coach in the league says we need you to be Manu bleeping Ginobili, and you insist you need to start, you're not a winning player. And when you finally get your way and you end up constantly injured when the team needs you the most (not that it's his fault he got injured) you lose the right to say I told you so.

He's currently on a $120 million contract that is 100% guaranteed. He's got generational wealth to play a damn game and miss more than a third of the season (counting playoffs) every damn year! Asking him to do what's best for the team isn't too much to ask.

Man, I can't wait until he's traded so the Herro fan boys can go away...

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[VaDe255]

He was horrible in the playoffs when he was in Toronto but he's gotten better while staying the #1 option, he's not going to be the #1 option in the playoffs for Miami, just the regular season. His career average in the playoffs is nearly 22 ppg but took nearly 19 shots.

Right now, at SG, Herro has a career playoffs average of 14.3 ppg on 12.7 shots.

DeRozan isn't a good defender, but he's better than Herro is and can play the 2-4, he played PF in San Antonio.

It's a short term move to get DeRozan for an upgrade on the roster, this isn't a long-term option, maybe Miami can time the older player's contracts to be expiring all at the same time to have a chance to make some big moves in free agency also S&Ts for a soft rebuild around Bam.

Why do we need to compare everyone to Herro?

DeRozan is not a fit on this team, he operates in the mid range and is only effective when he can draw fouls, it's absolute anti chemistry with Jimmy on the court. What are they going to take turns trying to shoot 20+ FTs between the two each game?

Come man 35y old DeRozan is just non sense, at this point trading Jimmy and developing the young talent is the right move.

It's hilarious to me that ppl think 35y DeRozan is going to make this team competetive against the stacked Boston/NY/76ers team.

Sure, how dare I think the guy who came in 2nd in the clutch award last year would help Miami for a year or 2, I advocate using his last year as an expiring contract with another asset or 2 to acquire a new good player.

Why Herro, because of his contract being the 3rd highest paid player, how many shots he takes each night while being in the lower part of the roster for scoring efficiency.

Sure if you wanna go there, here is a direct comparison in a game that mattered.

Bulls vs Heat play-in game 2024:

Demar 8/16 22 pts, 4 asts, 3 rebs -20
Herro 8/17 24 pts, 9 asts, 10 rebs +32

I take Herro over DeRozan any day, 35y old on his last legs, vs 24y old who is going to keep improving.

This fan base is desperate for some new toys no matter the price or long term implications and keeps making Herro the scapegoat for everything, it's just funny to me to read all these biased takes.

[Rapaz]

Rob Papinga is motivated. We’re inching closer.

[Daffy]

Right, if his salary is the price tag these days, he should be relatively easy to move.

I know who sets the starting lineup. That's not the point. A real team player is willing to do what's in the best interests of the team. We were much better with him coming off the bench. And now, with our only point guard having a similar skill set? We need him to come off the bench more than ever, but he hasn't relented, has he?

Ask yourself this; would a real Heat player choose himself over the team?

Real heat player? What is that? Can we stop believing in this nonsense that the front office and media team pushes and feed us.

Did they take care of the "real heat player" when they had the opportunity to do right by him....Wade.

Did they surround the current real heat player with talent after he showed he just needed a little more when he forced his way here? Butler.

After watching a real heat player in Bam shoulder the load of the big man with functional size (no diddy) on the team it took them what 5 years to decide "Hey we should get this guy some help down low in actual size"


Did they care about "real heat players" when they got rid of Mike Miller in the midst of a dynasty to save money after those players had already taken pay cuts?

So please miss me with that players choosing themselves over this Heat team.

This isn't a heat culture thing, this is a winning thing. When the best damn coach in the league says we need you to be Manu bleeping Ginobili, and you insist you need to start, you're not a winning player. And when you finally get your way and you end up constantly injured when the team needs you the most (not that it's his fault he got injured) you lose the right to say I told you so.

He's currently on a $120 million contract that is 100% guaranteed. He's got generational wealth to play a damn game and miss more than a third of the season (counting playoffs) every damn year! Asking him to do what's best for the team isn't too much to ask.

Man, I can't wait until he's traded so the Herro fan boys can go away...

Fan boy because I choose to use common sense. Lol comical. You'd swear I said no I don't want Herro traded. Spo probably has the most rope of any coach in the league with the backing of a GM who wouldn't hesitate to ship someone out for causing problems. We've seen this before. If he wanted him coming off the bench he would be BENCHED.

[Daffy]

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Wondering if they just have a trade they're trying to execute in order to free up the money to circle back to Derozan?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Why do we need to compare everyone to Herro?

DeRozan is not a fit on this team, he operates in the mid range and is only effective when he can draw fouls, it's absolute anti chemistry with Jimmy on the court. What are they going to take turns trying to shoot 20+ FTs between the two each game?

Come man 35y old DeRozan is just non sense, at this point trading Jimmy and developing the young talent is the right move.

It's hilarious to me that ppl think 35y DeRozan is going to make this team competetive against the stacked Boston/NY/76ers team.

Sure, how dare I think the guy who came in 2nd in the clutch award last year would help Miami for a year or 2, I advocate using his last year as an expiring contract with another asset or 2 to acquire a new good player.

Why Herro, because of his contract being the 3rd highest paid player, how many shots he takes each night while being in the lower part of the roster for scoring efficiency.

Sure if you wanna go there, here is a direct comparison in a game that mattered.

Bulls vs Heat play-in game:

Demar 8/16 22 pts, 4 asts, 3 rebs -20
Herro 8/17 24 pts, 9 asts, 10 rebs +32

I take Herro over DeRozan any day, 35y old on his last legs, vs 24y old who is going to keep improving.

This fan base is desperate for some new toys no matter the price or long term implications and keeps making Herro the scapegoat for everything, it's just funny to me to read all these biased takes.

Give us their career head to head and win/loss numbers.

Also one of those guys was being guarded by the best defender in the world; the other wasn’t lol

[SerialChiller]

You know you are in cap hell with tradable assets that are shyt when you find yourself trying to figure out a 3 team sign and trade to get a left over FA haha.