Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - PatBev: AJJ has "bright future"

[soxperry]

I hope everyone has prepared themselves for the fact that there will only be moves made on the margins (maybe a Portis trade, and I don't think anyone wants Connaughton), and that's going to be that. AJ Green will be the starting 2 replacing Beasley and this is the extent of changes in the starting lineup. Pray for health, they're going to need it.

There is this myth that AJ Green can play defense but it is the most clear example of confirmation bias you will find in sports. He is nearly identical to Beasley in terms of defensive LeBron rating, which is to say he is firmly below average. He is worse offensively because unlike Beasley he cannot attack a closeout and do anything off the dribble except pull up for a long two.

He will not start next to Dame because as we saw last year that doesn't make any sense.

[Finn]

"In the midst of a flop of an offseason" is an absolutely hilarious way to characterize our offseason. He covers the NBA professionally so he should know our situation. What exactly was he expecting us to do?

Apparently the same things as a bunch of people posting here...

[ReasonablySober]

I hope everyone has prepared themselves for the fact that there will only be moves made on the margins (maybe a Portis trade, and I don't think anyone wants Connaughton), and that's going to be that. AJ Green will be the starting 2 replacing Beasley and this is the extent of changes in the starting lineup. Pray for health, they're going to need it.

There is this myth that AJ Green can play defense but it is the most clear example of confirmation bias you will find in sports. He is nearly identical to Beasley in terms of defensive LeBron rating, which is to say he is firmly below average. He is worse offensively because unlike Beasley he cannot attack a closeout and do anything off the dribble except pull up for a long two.

He will not start next to Dame because as we saw last year that doesn't make any sense.

Green and Dame played really well next to each other.

[LUKE23]

I like Green, but I don't think you can have a footspeed trio of Lillard/Green/Midds at PG through SF and be fine defensively. Green is perfectly suited for a bench 3-point sniper role, the same Beasley was. They need to upgrade that spot. If they cannot, I would expect them to try a more athletic player at that spot and live with the weaknesses to improve the team defense.

I don't see Green starting.

[LUKE23]

Also, the notion that Middleton is only a 15 ppg scorer who does nothing else in the playoffs is crazy. The guy averaged 20 per 36 last season with Dame and GA only missing 9 games each. Additionally, the guy is an extremely gifted passer/creator, which we also badly need on the roster. I'm not saying he's untouchable by any stretch but he's still a really, really damn good third guy and his value is going to show up in the playoffs every season. He's still going to be a 20 ppg playoff scorer playing 36ish minutes.

[Bernman]

He will not start next to Dame because as we saw last year that doesn't make any sense.

OR small sample defensive stats are unreliable because it's hard to measure direct success unlike offense. AND we regularly watch him contain even standout guards like Maxey & Murray.

In the playoffs the Pacers couldn't score on him until the last couple of games where he had issues staying in front of the likes of Haliburton (1 of the fastest players in the league & a pg).

[machu46]

I’d prefer someone better than Green but I think he’s athletic enough to survive defensively and a good enough shooter to justify starting him if we made no upgrades.


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[ShootingtheJ]

They look miserable to be there

If you watch the press conference interview with them, they're all smiles. Both seemed giddey to be here. Serious young men too, not party boys. Same as Marjon.

[SirChurros]

Look, I like Green enough as a Korver type off the bench but if anyone thinks he’s anything more than that, we’re in a rough spot.

[BigO]

I like Green, but I don't think you can have a footspeed trio of Lillard/Green/Midds at PG through SF and be fine defensively. Green is perfectly suited for a bench 3-point sniper role, the same Beasley was. They need to upgrade that spot. If they cannot, I would expect them to try a more athletic player at that spot and live with the weaknesses to improve the team defense.

I don't see Green starting.

Foot speed and quickness help on defense, but aren't essential. Kris Dunn isn't the quickest player, nor is Alex Caruso. There are a ton more examples. Toughness, smarts, anticipation are more important.

[emunney]

I hope everyone has prepared themselves for the fact that there will only be moves made on the margins (maybe a Portis trade, and I don't think anyone wants Connaughton), and that's going to be that. AJ Green will be the starting 2 replacing Beasley and this is the extent of changes in the starting lineup. Pray for health, they're going to need it.

There is this myth that AJ Green can play defense but it is the most clear example of confirmation bias you will find in sports. He is nearly identical to Beasley in terms of defensive LeBron rating, which is to say he is firmly below average. He is worse offensively because unlike Beasley he cannot attack a closeout and do anything off the dribble except pull up for a long two.

He will not start next to Dame because as we saw last year that doesn't make any sense.

How is it confirmation bias? I don't think a single poster here expected AJ Green to be able to play defense.

[soxperry]

I hope everyone has prepared themselves for the fact that there will only be moves made on the margins (maybe a Portis trade, and I don't think anyone wants Connaughton), and that's going to be that. AJ Green will be the starting 2 replacing Beasley and this is the extent of changes in the starting lineup. Pray for health, they're going to need it.

There is this myth that AJ Green can play defense but it is the most clear example of confirmation bias you will find in sports. He is nearly identical to Beasley in terms of defensive LeBron rating, which is to say he is firmly below average. He is worse offensively because unlike Beasley he cannot attack a closeout and do anything off the dribble except pull up for a long two.

He will not start next to Dame because as we saw last year that doesn't make any sense.

How is it confirmation bias? I don't think a single poster here expected AJ Green to be able to play defense.

Idk if expect is the right word but people are definitely seeing what they want to see with AJ Green. Just look above your post. Its insane.

[bucksfansince88]

They look miserable to be there

If you watch the press conference interview with them, they're all smiles. Both seemed giddey to be here. Serious young men too, not party boys. Same as Marjon.

Loved how AJ said he has an obsession with being an unstoppable player.

[bucksfansince88]

if roster stays as is im willing to bet that Marjon is our Starting SG next to Dame on opening night

[BroncoBuck]

He seems like a nice enough guy (this is my standard KOC preface), but good god, KOC is not a critical thinker (trying to be nice enough). Every year in his draft blurbs, he's penciling 2nd rounders into rotations, sometimes implying they'd be the heir apparent to some high level starter or all-star. I think one of his mocks this year referred to grooming Kolek to take over for Harden.

Ok bud! Bless your heart!

A lot of this kind of thinking gets reflected around here, too, with all the talk about "not getting cute" with the picks. Getting cute with the picks, to me, means weighting them for things like 'need' and 'readiness', just layers of additional things to project on top of whether the player is generally capable. The idea that Scheierman (who I love) would be a better pick purely because he's older is just so dumb and flies in the face of the entire history of the draft.

So who was a better prospect? Shannon orAJ?

Both probably crappy prospects. Shannon is 23 (going to be 24 in a few weeks) who dominated his FIFTH year in college. Like cool, I would hope a borderline prospect who is 6'6" and fully developed would put up good numbers against amateurs. I don't think AJJ is going to be any good, but I at least see there's a chance of him being a high-end bench player. Shannon's full potential is basically going to be reach in the next 18 months but Johnson probably won't play much during that period.

Shannon put up really good numbers his entire college career. He got more minutes at Illinois the past two seasons, but he was a hell of a player at Texas Tech too. It’s not like he just broke out.

[BroncoBuck]

if roster stays as is im willing to bet that Marjon is our Starting SG next to Dame on opening night

Probably equal odds he’s not on the roster.

[fansinceforever]

Who's the better option starting at 2 on this roster or on a minimum? Lonnie walker? He might even get more than the minimum.

[drew881]

There is this myth that AJ Green can play defense but it is the most clear example of confirmation bias you will find in sports. He is nearly identical to Beasley in terms of defensive LeBron rating, which is to say he is firmly below average. He is worse offensively because unlike Beasley he cannot attack a closeout and do anything off the dribble except pull up for a long two.

He will not start next to Dame because as we saw last year that doesn't make any sense.

How is it confirmation bias? I don't think a single poster here expected AJ Green to be able to play defense.

Idk if expect is the right word but people are definitely seeing what they want to see with AJ Green. Just look above your post. Its insane.

Confirmation bias not of his defense, but of loving a blond-haired midwestern white guy.

[raferfenix]

If we resign Pat Bev I’d feel a bit better about our backcourt.

AJ Green, Ajax, and AJ Johnson all could use developmental minutes but a team with our aspirations can’t bank on any of them yet.

[Bernman]

Confirmation bias not of his defense, but of loving a blond-haired midwestern white guy.

The opposite bias exists. There were plenty of people angling to trade Connaughton for Caruso, as if that was ever a remote possibility. It was more like, if Caruso was on our team, we'll have exceeded our white American guy cap.

If there was any perceptional bump for Green, it'd be from the novelty effect & ironically being beneficiary of low expectations. But there were more shutdown performances against stars for Green, than Beasley's random one v. SGA, w/ a lot less chances.