Trades and Transactions thread cont - post Mikal trade

[thebuzzardman]

Absolutely not when you recognize the importance of rim protecting in Thibs system.

It is, because I said this before to another post. We do not have the assets nor the ability to acquire future assets to use the only two non key rotational players on the roster go in the same trade for a player who has to come here and show that he is a better than Sims.

The FO should look at this as an either Dadiet or McBride or draft picks (via sending McBride to the Nets) trade situation.

Dediet for Kessler makes a ton of sense for both teams. Utah gets an extra 2 years of rookie control and higher upside. The Knicks fill a need with a higher floor/lower ceiling piece that can contribute right away.

But this feels like it would have happened on draft night if it were to happen.

Maybe there was a cap reason to wait.

Maybe the Knicks waited to get the extra picks from OKC, so Ainge gets his hands on some of those sweet sweet 2nd rounders

[WargamesX]

Our current trade assets:

-> All the players we just drafted but haven't signed yet
-> McBride
-> Future WAS 1st (protected)
-> Future DET 1st (protected)
-> Future even year pick swaps (except 2028)
-> Half a dozen+ future 2nd rounders
-> Rights to Rokas
-> Unlimited cash
-> And, of course, our core players (Nova boys, Mikal, OG, Randle, Mitch, etc.)... all of whom are worth loads of picks

We're in "win now" mode for the next 4-5 years, at least... so everything and anything is on the table for the right upgrade. We went from 2nd place in the Fanduel rankings to like 7th after we lost iHart. Let's get that back to 1st or 2nd with some smart moves.

Most these assets outside of McBride or Kessler are not going to mean squat if they have to pivot and these are essentially our assets for the next 2 seasons unless we can develop the 2nd rounders we just took to show they have value.

I am for getting Kessler but you got to be smart with it.

I think the Detroit pick is the best asset we have remaining. Or swap in 2026 doesn't hold much value and I hate the idea of giving up another unprotected future draft asset (2030 swap) unless it results in getting an upgrade from Randle to team with Brunson (unlikely). I doubt that the Washington pick ends up conveying, but I think it's 50-50 that the DET 1st conveys in 2027 when it's top-9 protected and they should be a team on the rise.

Detroit is trash man I assume that is becoming a second rounder.

[sol537]

Our current trade assets:

-> All the players we just drafted but haven't signed yet
-> McBride
-> Future WAS 1st (protected)
-> Future DET 1st (protected)
-> Future even year pick swaps (except 2028)
-> Half a dozen+ future 2nd rounders
-> Rights to Rokas
-> Unlimited cash
-> And, of course, our core players (Nova boys, Mikal, OG, Randle, Mitch, etc.)... all of whom are worth loads of picks

We're in "win now" mode for the next 4-5 years, at least... so everything and anything is on the table for the right upgrade. We went from 2nd place in the Fanduel rankings to like 7th after we lost iHart. Let's get that back to 1st or 2nd with some smart moves.

Most these assets outside of McBride or Kessler are not going to mean squat if they have to pivot and these are essentially our assets for the next 2 seasons unless we can develop the 2nd rounders we just took to show they have value.

I am for getting Kessler but you got to be smart with it.

I think the Detroit pick is the best asset we have remaining. Or swap in 2026 doesn't hold much value and I hate the idea of giving up another unprotected future draft asset (2030 swap) unless it results in getting an upgrade from Randle to team with Brunson (unlikely). I doubt that the Washington pick ends up conveying, but I think it's 50-50 that the DET 1st conveys in 2027 when it's top-9 protected and they should be a team on the rise.

Yup, that DET pick is 50-50. Might be able to trade it back to DET at some point when they are looking to trade, so a nice one to keep in the back pocket. The WAS pick is going to convert to 2nd rounders no doubt. Thankfully, 2nd rounders have received a buff in the new CBA. Also, it's unlikely that we'll need to make major additions... just around the edges (like with Kessler). If we ever have to do a blockbuster, we'd then dip into our core guys to do so (Randle, etc.) so I'm not concerned. The key is to keep winning and for our core guys to play well and for our young guys to continue to develop and raise their value. It's a great formula!

[stuporman]

That was a year in and still had division in parts of the FO.

Rose was in charge and chose to resign Noel/Burks then a year later chose to sign Kemba/Baguette....stop making excuses.

You ever think maybe a guy new at his job needs an adjustment period? Since then he has built up his FO staff with knowledgeable people, got rid of Perry, and learned from past mistakes. Has there been a wrong move on the last 2 years?

You mean like not signing iHart for 3 years with a player(or team) option instead 2 years meaning they have his full bird rights so lost him and put him in this predicament?

You mean like trading away a lottery pick for two crappy second rounders that wound up having a good season and was part of the reason a team beat you in the playoffs?

You mean like trading away first rounders to get out of your previous mistakes that wind up being used on players including centers making immediate impacts on those other teams?

You ever think this is just another mistake he's 'going to learn from' in the future but isn't helping him while he actually made it right now?

Stop. making. excuses. and just accept he still can make mistakes.

[WargamesX]

Most these assets outside of McBride or Kessler are not going to mean squat if they have to pivot and these are essentially our assets for the next 2 seasons unless we can develop the 2nd rounders we just took to show they have value.

I am for getting Kessler but you got to be smart with it.

I think the Detroit pick is the best asset we have remaining. Or swap in 2026 doesn't hold much value and I hate the idea of giving up another unprotected future draft asset (2030 swap) unless it results in getting an upgrade from Randle to team with Brunson (unlikely). I doubt that the Washington pick ends up conveying, but I think it's 50-50 that the DET 1st conveys in 2027 when it's top-9 protected and they should be a team on the rise.

Yup, that DET pick is 50-50. Might be able to trade it back to DET at some point when they are looking to trade, so a nice one to keep in the back pocket. The WAS pick is going to convert to 2nd rounders no doubt. Thankfully, 2nd rounders have received a buff in the new CBA. Also, it's unlikely that we'll need to make major additions... just around the edges (like with Kessler). If we ever have to do a blockbuster, we'd then dip into our core guys to do so (Randle, etc.) so I'm not concerned. The key is to keep winning and for our core guys to play well and for our young guys to continue to develop and raise their value. It's a great formula!

If you trade Mcbride and Dadiet you can't work around the edges either. If the FO is smart (and they keep showing us they are) they are offering Ainge one main asset and some second rounders. Same to the hornets.

[sol537]

Rose was in charge and chose to resign Noel/Burks then a year later chose to sign Kemba/Baguette....stop making excuses.

You ever think maybe a guy new at his job needs an adjustment period? Since then he has built up his FO staff with knowledgeable people, got rid of Perry, and learned from past mistakes. Has there been a wrong move on the last 2 years?

You mean like not signing iHart for 3 years with a player(or team) option instead 2 years meaning they have his full bird rights so lost him and put him in this predicament?

You mean like trading away a lottery pick for two crappy second rounders that wound up having a good season and was part of the reason a team beat you in the playoffs?

You mean like trading away first rounders to get out of your previous mistakes that wind up being used on players including centers making immediate impacts on those other teams?

You ever think this is just another mistake he's 'going to learn from' in the future but isn't helping him while he actually made it right now?

Stop. making. excuses. and just accept he still can make mistakes.

All GM's make mistakes... Presti just helped the Mavs get PJ Washington and Gafford and then proceeded to lose to them for that very reason... The key is to hit more homeruns than duds. Leon and co. have had tons of home runs which you seem to be overlooking in order to nitpick.

[stuporman]

You ever think maybe a guy new at his job needs an adjustment period? Since then he has built up his FO staff with knowledgeable people, got rid of Perry, and learned from past mistakes. Has there been a wrong move on the last 2 years?

You mean like not signing iHart for 3 years with a player(or team) option instead 2 years meaning they have his full bird rights so lost him and put him in this predicament?

You mean like trading away a lottery pick for two crappy second rounders that wound up having a good season and was part of the reason a team beat you in the playoffs?

You mean like trading away first rounders to get out of your previous mistakes that wind up being used on players including centers making immediate impacts on those other teams?

You ever think this is just another mistake he's 'going to learn from' in the future but isn't helping him while he actually made it right now?

Stop. making. excuses. and just accept he still can make mistakes.

All GM's make mistakes... Presti just helped the Mavs get PJ Washington and Gafford and then proceeded to lose to them for that very reason... The key is to hit more homeruns than duds. Leon and co. have had tons of home runs which you seem to be overlooking in order to nitpick.

Go back and read the whole exchange if you want to comment on it. I praised Rose for great work but also acknowledge his mistakes and then people want come in the middle of the convo without knowing what I originally said to act like I didn't say it.

[Context]

you aren't getting Kessler without Duece...lets not be crazy here...Nick Richards who is far less impactful sure you can probably get for a couple 2nd rounders....but Kessler going to cost you at least Duece.

Supposedly kolek and mcullar jr with 2nd rd picks could get it done!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nonsense...just because you found one guy with 1k followers that posted this doesn't mean anything

I'm catching up in the thread...this made me laugh

[stuporman]

Washington second rounders might be as good if not better than one middle first rounder under the new cap rules because it will likely be in the low to mid 30s picks.

Oh and the one particular elite skill that Kessler has that Sims doesn't is protecting the rim unless you count Sims protecting it from his head hitting it while dunking.

[mpharris36]

tillman back to the celtics on the TPMLE...I really have to think we have something in the works for a big...its been way to quiet day and a half post Ihart news.

They aren't running Sims in there rotation.

[sol537]

You mean like not signing iHart for 3 years with a player(or team) option instead 2 years meaning they have his full bird rights so lost him and put him in this predicament?

You mean like trading away a lottery pick for two crappy second rounders that wound up having a good season and was part of the reason a team beat you in the playoffs?

You mean like trading away first rounders to get out of your previous mistakes that wind up being used on players including centers making immediate impacts on those other teams?

You ever think this is just another mistake he's 'going to learn from' in the future but isn't helping him while he actually made it right now?

Stop. making. excuses. and just accept he still can make mistakes.

All GM's make mistakes... Presti just helped the Mavs get PJ Washington and Gafford and then proceeded to lose to them for that very reason... The key is to hit more homeruns than duds. Leon and co. have had tons of home runs which you seem to be overlooking in order to nitpick.

Go back and read the whole exchange if you want to comment on it. I praised Rose for great work but also acknowledge his mistakes and then people want come in the middle of the convo without knowing what I originally said to act like I didn't say it.

You said because we added Mikal but lost iHart that this will be a wasted season and that we're not a true contender... meanwhile, Mikal is a far superior player to iHart and we still have an entire off-season and pre-deadline timeframe to upgrade the center position. Sky isn't falling

[sol537]

tillman back to the celtics on the TPMLE...I really have to think we have something in the works for a big...its been way to quiet day and a half post Ihart news.

They aren't running Sims in there rotation.

I'm sure we'll here news sometime after July 6th

[nykballa2k4]

tillman back to the celtics on the TPMLE...I really have to think we have something in the works for a big...its been way to quiet day and a half post Ihart news.

They aren't running Sims in there rotation.

I am currently trying to warm myself into buying on Yurtseven.

[robillionaire]

I am actually really high on Kessler so it seems crazy that we could get him. He’d be perfect for what we do. Great rim protection rebounding and finishing around the rim. Still young with upside, don’t care at all if he had a minor sophomore slump over there on a team that wasn’t trying to win. It’s too good to be true.

[newyorker4ever]

You guys are making Kessler sound too good to be true.

in terms of a plug and play center that fits what we like to do he couldn't be more ideal...factor in his cheap salary that we can fit also not many other more "ideal" targets.

He has his flaws...not a good FT shooter and doesn't provide much if any spacing. Less of a playmaker than Ihart for sure out of the short roll. He also isn't going to be guarding the perimeter but we already have multiple elite perimeter defenders for that.

In terms of rim protection there aren't many better.

They are over hyping him.

He’s a back up rim protecting Center. He might not even beat Sims out as the backup Center, but as a center rotation Mitch/Sims/Kessler would be a good bounce back from losing IHart.

Jared Jefferies could come back and beat Sims out for backup center spot.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I am actually really high on Kessler so it seems crazy that we could get him. He’d be perfect for what we do. Great rim protection rebounding and finishing around the rim. Still young with upside, don’t care at all if he had a minor sophomore slump over there on a team that wasn’t trying to win. It’s too good to be true.

Richards or Kessler has to be the play, I'm fine with either one of them. I'd prefer Kessler because of the rim protection numbers and how young he is.

[robillionaire]

I am actually really high on Kessler so it seems crazy that we could get him. He’d be perfect for what we do. Great rim protection rebounding and finishing around the rim. Still young with upside, don’t care at all if he had a minor sophomore slump over there on a team that wasn’t trying to win. It’s too good to be true.

Richards or Kessler has to be the play, I'm fine with either one of them. I'd prefer Kessler because of the rim protection numbers and how young he is.

Same. But you also have to consider…. It’s Ainge. Richards is a on a pretty good contract too.

Odds are we will get neither but it would definitely reduce the sting of losing Ihart if we did

[newyorker4ever]

Nerlens Noel is only like 30 - 31 years old......just sayin...............................

Where's he even at these days?

[KnixinSix]

Our current trade assets:

-> All the players we just drafted but haven't signed yet
-> McBride
-> Future WAS 1st (protected)
-> Future DET 1st (protected)
-> Future even year pick swaps (except 2028)
-> Half a dozen+ future 2nd rounders
-> Rights to Rokas
-> Unlimited cash
-> And, of course, our core players (Nova boys, Mikal, OG, Randle, Mitch, etc.)... all of whom are worth loads of picks

We're in "win now" mode for the next 4-5 years, at least... so everything and anything is on the table for the right upgrade. We went from 2nd place in the Fanduel rankings to like 7th after we lost iHart. Let's get that back to 1st or 2nd with some smart moves.

Kessler would be a bigtime move. And I gotta believe this front office has known for quite a while (based on the Begley mouthpiece reports) that Hartenstein was probably gone. Very likely Conversations and mutliple ones at that have already been conducted behind the scenes with Utah and Charlottle. We probably have a very good idea what the price is for each of those guys.

[mpharris36]

I am actually really high on Kessler so it seems crazy that we could get him. He’d be perfect for what we do. Great rim protection rebounding and finishing around the rim. Still young with upside, don’t care at all if he had a minor sophomore slump over there on a team that wasn’t trying to win. It’s too good to be true.

Richards or Kessler has to be the play, I'm fine with either one of them. I'd prefer Kessler because of the rim protection numbers and how young he is.

Same. But you also have to consider…. It’s Ainge. Richards is a on a pretty good contract too.

Odds are we will get neither but it would definitely reduce the sting of losing Ihart if we did

if Duece is part of a package I think that is a pretty valuable asset.

No way I trade duece for Richards tho...he is a couple notches below Kessler especially as a defender.