Miami Heat Offseason Thread Vol. 4: Fraudfather Snoozin 2.0

[marson]

I’m calling it now, DeMar DeRozan will be a Miami Heat

Laker bound

[Wiltside]

I can live with it if we move Tyler and increase Niko and Jaime usage. I don’t hate Herro and think he can be good for the right team, but it ain’t us.

[jaseda510]

DeRozan is turning 35 in August. Adding him doesn't move me but offloading Tyler does

[Vertical Limit]

I want the Heat to treat 2026 as if it were 2010. Not saying we are going to get all stars. What im saying is, i want them to start fielding trade offers for contracts that expire by the 2026 offseason and have one freaking offseason where they will be big spenders.

Herro
Duncan
Butler

Butler no more extensions. Duncan no more extensions, we can terminate his contract by june 29 next year before it guarantees. Get a contract that expires by 2025-2026 for Herro.


2026 offseason, lets make that a goal and really build around Bam. It sucks we have to wait 2 years, but we have no choice but to do the right thing if we dont want to waste Bams prime.

[DayofMourning]

I can live with it if we move Tyler and increase Niko and Jaime usage. I don’t hate Herro and think he can be good for the right team, but it ain’t us.

I love Tyler, but man did his playoff performance sober me up.

He had that one great playoff game, where he looked perfect. And to be honest, his D isnt complete **** anymore either.

But then he showed us all the trait he does have-inconsistency.

He placed his name alongside Luka. Im happy hes got that attitude. You can NOT be bashful in the NBA. You have to know youre the best.

But when you had your chance, you failed to live up to the hype for the 5th year in a row. I want you to prove everyone here wrong, but got damn, you have to do it now!

[DayofMourning]

I want the Heat to treat 2026 as if it were 2010. Not saying we are going to get all stars. What im saying is, i want them to start fielding trade offers for contracts that expire by the 2026 offseason and have one freaking offseason where they will be big spenders.

Herro
Duncan
Butler

Butler no more extensions. Duncan no more extensions, we can terminate his contract by june 29 next year before it guarantees. Get a contract that expires by 2025-2026 for Herro.


2026 offseason, lets make that a goal and really build around Bam. It sucks we have to wait 2 years, but we have no choice but to do the right thing if we dont want to waste Bams prime.

I'd have traded Jimmy last year as well. I was fairly vocal about it. I try to forecast what Im seeing, and it looked to me like it was bout to come off the rails. If you can offload that contract and get youth/picks, then you need to make the move. No disrespect to Jimmy. Its a business.

The Heat manage to pick guys who fit what they do and it has been showcased well over the past 20 years. When they stuck their noses up at supplementing rosters thru the draft because they made picks expendable, they really **** up in my opinion. I can look down the list and when I see the times Miami picked their guy, the results have been strongly positive, ESPECIALLY when you consider their draft position.

[DayofMourning]

I was just thinking, is Derozan really excelling because of the way the game is played now? The focus of most defenses is attacks to the rim and 3 point shooting. Leaves a bit of space for the mid range shooters.

[marson]

I can live with it if we move Tyler and increase Niko and Jaime usage. I don’t hate Herro and think he can be good for the right team, but it ain’t us.

I love Tyler, but man did his playoff performance sober me up.

He had that one great playoff game, where he looked perfect. And to be honest, his D isnt complete **** anymore either.

But then he showed us all the trait he does have-inconsistency.

He placed his name alongside Luka. Im happy hes got that attitude. You can NOT be bashful in the NBA. You have to know youre the best.

But when you had your chance, you failed to live up to the hype for the 5th year in a row. I want you to prove everyone here wrong, but got damn, you have to do it now!

All I recall from Celtics series is he got abused by everyone in the Celtics team. All day post ups by Jrue and Jaylen Brown.

He still **** on D after 5 years.

[Voltron914]

DeRozan is turning 35 in August. Adding him doesn't move me but offloading Tyler does

After thinking about it all day the Derozan situation i hope we pass. Tyler has his faults but trading him for a rental who will not move the needle is silly. We all want something new to wash off the stink but i support Bam and the youth movement. Interested to see what spo does with Bam jovic and Ware

[DayofMourning]

DeRozan is turning 35 in August. Adding him doesn't move me but offloading Tyler does

After thinking about it all day the Derozan situation i hope we pass. Tyler has his faults but trading him for a rental who will not move the needle is silly. We all want something new to wash off the stink but i support Bam and the youth movement. Interested to see what spo does with Bam jovic and Ware

I love team building from the ground up. Its my favorite thing. Building thru the draft by drafting well, quickly (3 years max) is difficult as there are no guarantees in slotting or available talent. With those draftees in place, and prior to reaching their next contract, you can design your signings to max out available cap space to have for the best free agents. Thats the model I see when I think about the most efficient gamble at building a team.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I was just thinking, is Derozan really excelling because of the way the game is played now? The focus of most defenses is attacks to the rim and 3 point shooting. Leaves a bit of space for the mid range shooters.

I’m not sure, I know he’s known as a mid range assassin and he really is but compared to our guys here’s how everyone shot from in between 6 feet and the 3 point line:

Derozan: 46%
Terry: 44%
Bam: 44%
Jimmy: 40%

I saw this on Twitter so I’m not sure how that compares to his career or other elite mid range guys like KD and Kawhi but what he does do like Jimmy and to a lesser extent Bam is get to the free throw line at an elite rate. We might lead the league in free throws if we end up getting him. He scored more than Jimmy but overall was less efficient but that’s also with him being schemed as the guy and teams sending their entire defense at him all year with Lavine out

[unowen85]

I can live with it if we move Tyler and increase Niko and Jaime usage. I don’t hate Herro and think he can be good for the right team, but it ain’t us.

I love Tyler, but man did his playoff performance sober me up.

He had that one great playoff game, where he looked perfect. And to be honest, his D isnt complete **** anymore either.

But then he showed us all the trait he does have-inconsistency.

He placed his name alongside Luka. Im happy hes got that attitude. You can NOT be bashful in the NBA. You have to know youre the best.

But when you had your chance, you failed to live up to the hype for the 5th year in a row. I want you to prove everyone here wrong, but got damn, you have to do it now!

It was almost like Herro was playing against one of the most dominant teams in recent memory. Without Butler and Rozier on the court to spread responsibility in creating offense.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

DeRozan is turning 35 in August. Adding him doesn't move me but offloading Tyler does

After thinking about it all day the Derozan situation i hope we pass. Tyler has his faults but trading him for a rental who will not move the needle is silly. We all want something new to wash off the stink but i support Bam and the youth movement. Interested to see what spo does with Bam jovic and Ware

I think the main get in the Herro trade is the massive cap relief and hopefully and asset or 2 from a young team like Detroit or Utah or something. Adding a better player in Derozan on a solid and short deal is just an added bonus. Like Lavine one of the very few scenarios where we can get an all star AND an asset out of it for someone we view as a negative in Herro. Have to jump at it if we can

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I can live with it if we move Tyler and increase Niko and Jaime usage. I don’t hate Herro and think he can be good for the right team, but it ain’t us.

I love Tyler, but man did his playoff performance sober me up.

He had that one great playoff game, where he looked perfect. And to be honest, his D isnt complete **** anymore either.

But then he showed us all the trait he does have-inconsistency.

He placed his name alongside Luka. Im happy hes got that attitude. You can NOT be bashful in the NBA. You have to know youre the best.

But when you had your chance, you failed to live up to the hype for the 5th year in a row. I want you to prove everyone here wrong, but got damn, you have to do it now!

It was almost like Herro was playing against one of the most dominant teams in recent memory. Without Butler and Rozier on the court to spread responsibility in creating offense.

We have 5 years of data that shows us he’s an average scorer and he gets far worse in the playoffs. We’ve got tot stop the excuses for him, he’s one dimensional and he’s not elite at that dimension

[DayofMourning]

I can live with it if we move Tyler and increase Niko and Jaime usage. I don’t hate Herro and think he can be good for the right team, but it ain’t us.

I love Tyler, but man did his playoff performance sober me up.

He had that one great playoff game, where he looked perfect. And to be honest, his D isnt complete **** anymore either.

But then he showed us all the trait he does have-inconsistency.

He placed his name alongside Luka. Im happy hes got that attitude. You can NOT be bashful in the NBA. You have to know youre the best.

But when you had your chance, you failed to live up to the hype for the 5th year in a row. I want you to prove everyone here wrong, but got damn, you have to do it now!

It was almost like Herro was playing against one of the most dominant teams in recent memory. Without Butler and Rozier on the court to spread responsibility in creating offense.

I get it. It was a nasty team to face. However, that team is gonna be there every year. Thats the sobering part.

[wadenation305]

The cherry on top will be when Dru Smith gets more burn than Ware or Pelle, while providing Dru Smith things..... which is nothing, but he'll be Spo's new favorite player.

[DayofMourning]

I was just thinking, is Derozan really excelling because of the way the game is played now? The focus of most defenses is attacks to the rim and 3 point shooting. Leaves a bit of space for the mid range shooters.

I’m not sure, I know he’s known as a mid range assassin and he really is but compared to our guys here’s how everyone shot from in between 6 feet and the 3 point line:

Derozan: 46%
Terry: 44%
Bam: 44%
Jimmy: 40%

I saw this on Twitter so I’m not sure how that compares to his career or other elite mid range guys like KD and Kawhi but what he does do like Jimmy and to a lesser extent Bam is get to the free throw line at an elite rate. We might lead the league in free throws if we end up getting him. He scored more than Jimmy but overall was less efficient but that’s also with him being schemed as the guy and teams sending their entire defense at him all year with Lavine out

We really could use a guy who plays 70 plus games a season. The consistency needs to be built. He would be able to get shots up for us, consistently.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I was just thinking, is Derozan really excelling because of the way the game is played now? The focus of most defenses is attacks to the rim and 3 point shooting. Leaves a bit of space for the mid range shooters.

I’m not sure, I know he’s known as a mid range assassin and he really is but compared to our guys here’s how everyone shot from in between 6 feet and the 3 point line:

Derozan: 46%
Terry: 44%
Bam: 44%
Jimmy: 40%

I saw this on Twitter so I’m not sure how that compares to his career or other elite mid range guys like KD and Kawhi but what he does do like Jimmy and to a lesser extent Bam is get to the free throw line at an elite rate. We might lead the league in free throws if we end up getting him. He scored more than Jimmy but overall was less efficient but that’s also with him being schemed as the guy and teams sending their entire defense at him all year with Lavine out

We really could use a guy who plays 70 plus games a season. The consistency needs to be built. He would be able to get shots up for us, consistently.

I think I read over the last 3-4 years he’s missed 17 total games, that would be huge next to Bam tbh and “should” lead to better seeding

[batterybro42]

I want the Heat to treat 2026 as if it were 2010. Not saying we are going to get all stars. What im saying is, i want them to start fielding trade offers for contracts that expire by the 2026 offseason and have one freaking offseason where they will be big spenders.

Herro
Duncan
Butler

Butler no more extensions. Duncan no more extensions, we can terminate his contract by june 29 next year before it guarantees. Get a contract that expires by 2025-2026 for Herro.


2026 offseason, lets make that a goal and really build around Bam. It sucks we have to wait 2 years, but we have no choice but to do the right thing if we dont want to waste Bams prime.

Yes but I think you can ride out this core and accomplish that goal. What you can’t afford is a dip in the franchise. We are always in the mix of free agents and acquisitions we just never have the means to do so. We are in the mix because we play good basketball and consistently show we are a piece short. I don’t mind us keeping Jimmy it demonstrates loyalty and what we will do for star players. It would be great to add more assets to the post 26 build by moving him but it’s not necessary.

I think personally Luka is poorly Coached and enabled somewhat in Dallas. He needs Miami much in the same way LeBron did. I may be speaking crazy to some but I view Luka as a LeBron type grab, I wouldn’t do anything to our team to put that possibility at risk. If I’m a betting man I don’t see Dallas winning a title in the next two years. I see Kyrie and Klay getting older, and a Coach that will get fired in Kidd.

It’s a situation people haven’t started to discuss yet that will become a big deal as things progress I feel

Until then I don’t want any future money committed to players, and anything short of Tyler Herro actually becoming Devin Booker I want him moved for an asset, hopefully a future 1st or multiple if he plays better.

You could get

Luka
Bam
JJJ
Niko
Ware

With another 50+ mil in cap space available it’s enough to add a SGA or Fox along with it, and have the MLE available.

[marson]

2026-2027 FA class

Fox, Luka, Curry, Lillard, Trae, SGA, many more.

Think about this every time we send a contract into that year.

Luka, SGA, Curry and Fox would have early extensions if I'm willing to bet.

It is very rare now you see an A+ tier superstar to test free agency, they usually secure the bag ASAP.