Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4

[FireMorey]

Just listened to PHLY - Bodner said the motion likely move Morey makes is cut Reed and use the 9 mil to make one more move. The next move would be to sign Martin to a large amount; then trade Martin during the season to bring in one more big contract/name.

If the Sixers traded Reed for more money they become hard cap and it would prevent the Martin move.

So taking all that; it sounds like we're going to be sitting tight and Reed is likely to be cut to give us 9 mil versus 2 mil to use on a player.

Don't think they've decided yet. Likely are going through the options and then if nothing presents itself will just cut him. But if no ring chasers are willing to take the 9 mil, might be prudent to wait to see if any trade candidates become available for a bit. However, if a guy like Gary Trent Jr is willing to come here or one of the higher end guys remaining, might be wise to jump on that now. I'm sure they're going through all their options. They're eerily quiet atm.

[Kobblehead]

There is no logical pathway to a championship with Paul George being the tallest player on this roster that can provide minutes alongside Joel Embiid.

What a ridiculous statement.

Are you even watching basketball in 2024? The last three champions had 6'5" Draymond Green, 6'8" Aaron Gordon, and 6'8" Jayson Tatum starting at PF.

You honestly think true PFs are ever going to come back into the sport? I have some bad news for you.

[LeonJordanJr24]

I want grant Williams here badly

[Slacktard]

I've said it to people from other cities a million times - there is no sports crowd like a Philly crowd when they are all in behind a team. I was at Sixers-Celtics regular season games in the '80's that were just electric, and went to late season Phillies games at the Vet in 1980 and 1993 - there's just a sound that Philly crowds generate that I've only ever heard similar at Neyland Stadium at UT.

The cheesesteak and Santa snow ball stuff are typical national media "journalistic" laziness, and given that most of the national media is centered in NYC, they are nice, easy cheap shots at Philly.

I got that Santa snowball thing confused with another time. I'm a 90s kid and I seem to remember it happening then too in a home game against the Cowboys or Giants. It doesn't matter because I personally watched Buffalo fans chuck ice balls at the Miami Dolphin players all game two years ago. Nobody said a thing about that.
At any rate, I've been to quite a few different sporting events/stadiums around the country. Nothing captures or has come close to the energy and love I have felt at Philly event. I've been to a handful of Phillies games and they were the best back in the day. 1993 as well to be specific. I think I went to three Phillies game that year and every one of them were awesome.

The Santa snowball game was in 1968 - the Eagles were awful, but not awful enough to get the 1st pick in the next draft, who would be OJ Simpson. The crowd was in a foul mood with the terrible football and weather, and the Eagles threw a pick six right before halftime. At the half they had some kind of Christmas thing with a terrible, skinny Santa, and a few people threw snowballs, and it just became a barrage, actually really funny except for the Santa, who took cover under the sleigh. Howard Cosell showed the highlights nationally, and the rest is history.

I remember in the '90's or early '00's the fans at Giants Stadium throwing a ton of snowballs at the players in a meaningless late season game, and the national media circled the wagons and said that the people throwing the snowballs weren't really Giants fans, but people who had gotten tickets from Giants fans. You know, because of how 'classy' NY fans are.

Don't forget there was a game in Cleveland in 2001? where they threw glass beer bottles onto the field and at least one person had their head gashed by an object thrown from the stands. It's one of the biggest reasons why stadiums stopped selling glass bottles.

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[sixers hoops]

Paul George played 86% of his minutes at PF.
LeBron James played 86% of his minutes at PF.
Jalen Williams played 84% of his minutes at PF.
Jimmy Butler played 74% of his minutes at PF.
Jayson Tatum played 72% of his minutes at PF.

Big wings play the 4, that's just how the modern NBA works.

You listed three teams here that made it a priority to get bigger in the offseason:

MIA -> Drafted Ware and want Bam at the four.
LAL -> Pursued Valanciunas / want another big alongside Davis.
OKC -> Gave Hartenstein a bag, want Chet playing the 4 and the 5.

One team (LAC) that was fundamentally built poorly and exploitable by any opposition that had size

And one team (BOS) that have two jumbo guards at the 1 and the 2 (White/Holiday) there to alleviate the risk of being outmatched physically and while still having Horford (6'9), Kristaps (7'2) and Hauser (7'2) there to allow line-up versatility amongst their core players.

There is no logical pathway to a championship with Paul George being the tallest player on this roster that can provide minutes alongside Joel Embiid.

So Paul Reed and Andre Drummond do not count.

This roster is far from complete. Even if they did decide to play PG at power forward, I’m pretty confident they sign at least one more power forward type.

[mjkvol]

I got that Santa snowball thing confused with another time. I'm a 90s kid and I seem to remember it happening then too in a home game against the Cowboys or Giants. It doesn't matter because I personally watched Buffalo fans chuck ice balls at the Miami Dolphin players all game two years ago. Nobody said a thing about that.
At any rate, I've been to quite a few different sporting events/stadiums around the country. Nothing captures or has come close to the energy and love I have felt at Philly event. I've been to a handful of Phillies games and they were the best back in the day. 1993 as well to be specific. I think I went to three Phillies game that year and every one of them were awesome.

The Santa snowball game was in 1968 - the Eagles were awful, but not awful enough to get the 1st pick in the next draft, who would be OJ Simpson. The crowd was in a foul mood with the terrible football and weather, and the Eagles threw a pick six right before halftime. At the half they had some kind of Christmas thing with a terrible, skinny Santa, and a few people threw snowballs, and it just became a barrage, actually really funny except for the Santa, who took cover under the sleigh. Howard Cosell showed the highlights nationally, and the rest is history.

I remember in the '90's or early '00's the fans at Giants Stadium throwing a ton of snowballs at the players in a meaningless late season game, and the national media circled the wagons and said that the people throwing the snowballs weren't really Giants fans, but people who had gotten tickets from Giants fans. You know, because of how 'classy' NY fans are.

Don't forget there was a game in Cleveland in 2001? where they threw glass beer bottles onto the field and at least one person had their head gashed by an object thrown from the stands. It's one of the biggest reasons why stadiums stopped selling glass bottles.

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Yeah, I remember that. I mentioned the Giant game because of the national media love affair with NYC. They think of Cleveland in the same lowly level as Philly.

[MikRay]

Supposedly the next two drafts are lights out, I think Morey has to find a way to get Laurie Markenan (sp) at the trade deadline. I would think and Utah would wanna lose as many games as possible.

[Kobblehead]

What planet are some of ya'll living on, thinking we need a 6'11" 250 pounder playing alongside Embiid? lol

That person would get murdered on switches and get ran off the court faster than you can say "antiquated approach" out loud.

[the_process]

I think a trade for DFS is unlikely. Swapping in his $14.9m salary for BBall's $7.7m takes us up to $167.5m for 8 guys. Add $4m for McCain and it's $171.5m for 9 guys.

Sign 5 vet mins for about $2m tax impact each to get to the min 14 man roster and you're around $182m which is OVER the 1st Apron of $178m.

Therefore it's very unlikely we get DFS. Or anyone else around $15m. I only see us using the avail cap of $9.2m if we cut Reed, and even that puts us super close to the 1st Apron. DFS' $15m contract is way too big.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/philadelphia-76ers/overview/_/year/2024

Just add KJM to this. Reed plus S&T KJM 3-45 (plus a 1st I imagine) for DFS keeps the 1st apron trigger off. It does turn the 2nd apron trigger on, but that won’t be a problem. The Nets don’t have any significant salary so no restrictions, they should be able to take the additional 7M. And KJ will be pumped to get 15M so he’s playing along obviously.

[Kobblehead]

Clippers are in full YOLO mode. Trying to acquire Miles Bridges after already signing Josh Primo and Kevin Porter. Kawhi is a dope for signing that trash extension. He should have gotten the hell out of that franchise while he had the chance.

[stormi]

There is no logical pathway to a championship with Paul George being the tallest player on this roster that can provide minutes alongside Joel Embiid.

What a ridiculous statement.

Are you even watching basketball in 2024? The last three champions had 6'5" Draymond Green, 6'8" Aaron Gordon, and 6'8" Jayson Tatum starting at PF.

You honestly think true PFs are ever going to come back into the sport? I have some bad news for you.

I haven't seen any one asking for a traditional PF, some of us just want some size/rebounding and rim protection alongside Joel Embiid which does not currently exist on this roster.

These counterpoints are mega-strawman.

Not only is Draymond one of the greatest defenders of all time, he played real minutes alongside Looney and Durant both 6'9+

Celtics had KP/Horford/Hauser/Kornet all as genuine bigs in the rotation.

Attempting to compare Aaron Gordon to Paul George is laughable. One of them is a clearcut forward, another one of them is a wing.

Aaron Gordon is a hyper-athletic glue guy that grabs rebounds, protects the rim and plugs all of the gaps. He also started alongside MPJ (6'10) and Jokic (7'0).

Paul George is a wing and provides his utility on the defensive end almost exclusively on the perimeter.

Your suggestions are not only bad with respect to team building optics, but misremembering (or misprofiling) of historical winners.

[Kobblehead]

Embiid/George is already in the running for best frontcourt tandem in the NBA.

Only other contenders would be Porzingis/Tatum, Davis/James, and Adebayo/Butler.

[the_process]

I do also like the idea of cutting Reed, signing Trent with 9M, then giving KJM a giant contract specifically to use in a trade later. It would be hysterical if Morey maxed him out.

[the_process]

Clippers are in full YOLO mode. Trying to acquire Miles Bridges after already signing Josh Primo and Kevin Porter. Kawhi is a dope for signing that trash extension. He should have gotten the hell out of that franchise while he had the chance.

Aren’t they going into a new arena? Why are they trying to turn off fans?

Is this like The Producers, trying to tank the show purposely to collect the insurance money?

[Monix]

Celtics had KP/Horford/Hauser/Kornet all as genuine bigs in the rotation.

Attempting to compare Aaron Gordon to Paul George is laughable. One of them is a clearcut forward, another one of them is a wing.

so Sam Hauser is a "genuine big" at 6'8" 215?

[Sixersftw]

Clippers are in full YOLO mode. Trying to acquire Miles Bridges after already signing Josh Primo and Kevin Porter. Kawhi is a dope for signing that trash extension. He should have gotten the hell out of that franchise while he had the chance.

Really? I said they should go after Bridges too as a joke like 2 days ago. They're out here trying to exploit the market inefficiency of *checks notes* rampant criminality. No matter how bad our franchise is thank god we aren't them.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Nobody is expecting a 90s power forward on this team next to Embiid. With that said, Paul George playing power forward is not ideal and does not improve our rebounding issues we've continued to suffer from over the last few years. In my opinion, Paul George is a wing and he should stay there. You start an athletic player who crashes the glass and can play good defense next to Embiid and you let it be what it's going to be. To me, that player is Paul Reed. So many people are suggesting we just cut him which is beyond stupid. You want to trade him for an upgrade, that's fine, but you don't cut a player that's been productive at times and can give us solid defense and rebounding.

[SixthStreet]

I think we should just keep Reed into the season and balloon Martin and see what type of sellers there might be at the deadline. I'd keep my eyes on the Grizzlies. Lot of interesting fits on that roster.

Unless DeRozan wants to take $9m. That's too much talent/$ to pass up. Doesn't seem like there's anyone else worth spending cap on.

[Kobblehead]

There is no logical pathway to a championship with Paul George being the tallest player on this roster that can provide minutes alongside Joel Embiid.

What a ridiculous statement.

Are you even watching basketball in 2024? The last three champions had 6'5" Draymond Green, 6'8" Aaron Gordon, and 6'8" Jayson Tatum starting at PF.

You honestly think true PFs are ever going to come back into the sport? I have some bad news for you.

I haven't seen any one asking for a traditional PF, some of us just want some size/rebounding and rim protection alongside Joel Embiid which does not currently exist on this roster.

These counterpoints are mega-strawman.

Not only is Draymond one of the greatest defenders of all time, he played real minutes alongside Looney and Durant both 6'9+

Celtics had KP/Horford/Hauser/Kornet all as genuine bigs in the rotation.

Attempting to compare Aaron Gordon to Paul George is laughable. One of them is a clearcut forward, another one of them is a wing.

Aaron Gordon is a hyper-athletic glue guy that grabs rebounds, protects the rim and plugs all of the gaps. He also started alongside MPJ (6'10) and Jokic (7'0).

Paul George is a wing and provides his utility on the defensive end almost exclusively on the perimeter.

Your suggestions are not only bad with respect to team building optics, but misremembering (or misprofiling) of historical winners.

Bro, just no. Legit everything you're saying is wrong and going against all the logic of the modern NBA.

[Kobblehead]

Celtics had KP/Horford/Hauser/Kornet all as genuine bigs in the rotation.

Attempting to compare Aaron Gordon to Paul George is laughable. One of them is a clearcut forward, another one of them is a wing.

so Sam Hauser is a "genuine big" at 6'8" 215?

He doesn't know what he's talking about, man.