Grant Trade?

[Effigy]

Seems like a lot of bad teams are trading away their guys who help them win too many games next year. Utah being in the most interesting position. Markinen is really good, he's still young and on a great contract. And Danny Ainge's every instinct is to bleed a team for everything they have for him, but if he doesn't find a trade, he's going to screw up their tank next year, lol.

[DaVoiceMaster]

Harvesting just got 3/$87 million. Do we still think Grant is overpaid?

Okay, probably, but that may be where things are headed.

[PDXKnight]

Harvesting just got 3/$87 million. Do we still think Grant is overpaid?

Okay, probably, but that may be where things are headed.

Hardestein is probably worth it. Maybe a slight overpay but definitely impacts a teams success. Knicks fans seem upset about losing him and 3 years isn't super long. And he fits that okcs teams needs to a tee

Grant is probably fair value. Neither bad nor good he would've gotten similar on the open market this summer maybe more in a summer where a stupid team had cap space to waste

[DusterBuster]

Seems like a lot of bad teams are trading away their guys who help them win too many games next year. Utah being in the most interesting position. Markinen is really good, he's still young and on a great contract. And Danny Ainge's every instinct is to bleed a team for everything they have for him, but if he doesn't find a trade, he's going to screw up their tank next year, lol.

I think Markkennen is a bit of fools gold. Not saying he's a bad player, but dude needs to be in the right spot, he can't do what he's dome in Utah anywhere if you ask me.

[DusterBuster]

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[zzaj]

Seems like a lot of bad teams are trading away their guys who help them win too many games next year. Utah being in the most interesting position. Markinen is really good, he's still young and on a great contract. And Danny Ainge's every instinct is to bleed a team for everything they have for him, but if he doesn't find a trade, he's going to screw up their tank next year, lol.

I think Markkennen is a bit of fools gold. Not saying he's a bad player, but dude needs to be in the right spot, he can't do what he's dome in Utah anywhere if you ask me.

Agreed with this. His best role is a 3rd or 4th player on a good team.

[zzaj]

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I don't think fans really understand the impact that the new rules will have on franchises--nor do I think the NBA totally realize. The handcuffs will make it nearly impossible for very good teams to make any changes.

This year is a bit of an outlier, as there are some very good teams with capspace. But that all will change very rapidly in coming seasons. FA season is going to be crickets...

However, if the Salary Cap goes up like, A LOT then it will lessen the impact.

This is why we're going to see a switch to rookie contract players who can produce right away and an emphasis on rookie deals in general. There is no better contract in the NBA for cap flexibility than a rookie contract that is producing.

[The Sebastian Express]

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I don't think fans really understand the impact that the new rules will have on franchises--nor do I think the NBA totally realize. The handcuffs will make it nearly impossible for very good teams to make any changes.

This year is a bit of an outlier, as there are some very good teams with capspace. But that all will change very rapidly in coming seasons. FA season is going to be crickets...

However, if the Salary Cap goes up like, A LOT then it will lessen the impact.

This is why we're going to see a switch to rookie contract players who can produce right away and an emphasis on rookie deals in general. There is no better contract in the NBA for cap flexibility than a rookie contract that is producing.

I feel like parity is here to stay because of the apron rules.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

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I don't think fans really understand the impact that the new rules will have on franchises--nor do I think the NBA totally realize. The handcuffs will make it nearly impossible for very good teams to make any changes.

This year is a bit of an outlier, as there are some very good teams with capspace. But that all will change very rapidly in coming seasons. FA season is going to be crickets...

However, if the Salary Cap goes up like, A LOT then it will lessen the impact.

This is why we're going to see a switch to rookie contract players who can produce right away and an emphasis on rookie deals in general. There is no better contract in the NBA for cap flexibility than a rookie contract that is producing.

I feel like parity is here to stay because of the apron rules.

I like that good teams will have to constantly maneuver and get creative to stay good but this will make it (even more) impossible for an ensemble cast to really be any good for more than a year or two as teams will more easily be able to poach good players from them. It's even more important to find that one singular piece and continue to build casts around them rather than trying to keep 3-4 well fitting pieces together for the long haul. Maybe teams can keep a good secondary in the "Robin" type role but don't get attached to 3rd/4th option type players as good teams will need to be constantly cycling those pieces.

That said maybe it does give a better outside chance for a Cinderella team to upset before they are priced out of their players but I still think they will be less competitive overall than teams with a great player who constantly are finding well priced vets who fit in a system next to that player. Dynasties will be built around great players, instead of like a big 3.

I think teams built out of the draft will struggle to win, if they hit on more than a couple picks they will have to make tough decisions before those players ever reach their prime. Unfortunately that also seems to be where we are headed.

[GEE]

With the addition of Deni to be our SFOTF, I think a player to be our PFOTF would be the best return IMO. Is that player RUI? If so, and the rumor about the Nets having interest in D'Angelo Russel are legit, how about a simple 3-way trade:

PDX trades: J.Grant / D.Reath
LAL trades: R.Hachimura / D.Russel / FRP
BKN trades: D. Schoeder / D.Sharpe

Blazers get: Hachimura / Sharpe
Lakers get: Grant / Schroeder / Reath
Nets get: Russel / FRP

I love this move and would be willing to sweeten it with some 2nd rounders if needed. Our Bigman rotation would awesome!

[DaVoiceMaster]

With the addition of Deni to be our SFOTF, I think a player to be our PFOTF would be the best return IMO. Is that player RUI? If so, and the rumor about the Nets having interest in D'Angelo Russel are legit, how about a simple 3-way trade:

PDX trades: J.Grant / D.Reath
LAL trades: R.Hachimura / D.Russel / FRP
BKN trades: D. Schoeder / D.Sharpe

Blazers get: Hachimura / Sharpe
Lakers get: Grant / Schroeder / Reath
Nets get: Russel / FRP

I love this move and would be willing to sweeten it with some 2nd rounders if needed. Our Bigman rotation would awesome!

Do the salaries work? I only know what Grant and Reath make.

[Pattycakes]

With the addition of Deni to be our SFOTF, I think a player to be our PFOTF would be the best return IMO. Is that player RUI? If so, and the rumor about the Nets having interest in D'Angelo Russel are legit, how about a simple 3-way trade:

PDX trades: J.Grant / D.Reath
LAL trades: R.Hachimura / D.Russel / FRP
BKN trades: D. Schoeder / D.Sharpe

Blazers get: Hachimura / Sharpe
Lakers get: Grant / Schroeder / Reath
Nets get: Russel / FRP

I love this move and would be willing to sweeten it with some 2nd rounders if needed. Our Bigman rotation would awesome!

Dobthe salaries work? I only know what Grant and Reath make.

I need more than Rui myself, some frp need to be headed here. Rui is a nice replacement but Jerami is still of higher value imo

[Walton1one]

As an idea, I wonder if instead of Grant, POR\LAL pivots to Simons instead? It makes more sense IMO and might have more appeal to LAL, to go all in with their draft picks.

POR trades Simons, Thybulle, Walker or Murray

LAL trades 29’ & 31’ 1st, 28’ or 30’ pick swap & Rui, Dlo & JHS

1) I think Simons fits better than Grant does anyway, they have Vanderbilt, LBJ, Simons could fit in at PG right next to Reeves, and he’s younger, so he fits with that group of players after LBJ leaves. Same with Walker\Murray

2) POR Is betting against LAL being able to recover from mediocrity or worse after LBJ leaves, which IMO is a good bet, and would be owed Unprotected, or lightly protected 1st round picks in 29/31, plus a pick swap in 30

3) POR then look to reroute DLO, to somewhere else, maybe like to Detroit for 1-2 2nd’s?

4) Still have Grant to offload somewhere else like SAC, LAC?

[BlazersBroncos]

I really dont think the difference between Simons and DLo is 2 FRP and a swap. They are pretty similar level players - Simons just hasnt been on good teams so his weaknesses are not amplified like DLo's have been (Mostly defense, not being a true PG, some bonehead decisions).

[DaVoiceMaster]

Would you send Grant AND Simons both to the Lakers to get those picks and/or swaps? The deal grew due to trying to match salaries.

Blazers trade: Grant, Simons, RWIII, and Rupert

Lakers trade: Russell, Hachimura, Vincent, Vanderbilt, Knecht, Reddish, 29 Pick and either 31 Pick or swaps 28 & 30 Picks

[Walton1one]

I just hope that Cronin doesn’t overplay his hand here, anything over a first round pick is a win for POR and more than they paid for him

29’ 1st unprotected
30’ swap
Rui
JHS + filler for Grant + filler

I am OK with not getting the second first, but if that is the case, then Cronin should be specific on the other parts of the deal, players like Rui, a prospect like JHS, the pick swap, 29’ unprotected become non negotiable

[Pattycakes]

Would you send Grant AND Simons both to the Lakers to get those picks and/or swaps? The deal grew due to trying to match salaries.

Blazers trade: Grant, Simons, RWIII, and Rupert

Lakers trade: Russell, Hachimura, Vincent, Vanderbilt, Knecht, Reddish, 29 Pick and either 31 Pick or swaps 28 & 30 Picks

I would do this in a heart beat personally, but I don’t see LA trading Knecht either. I think it’s Grant for Rui/picks/filler or nothing.

[BlazersBroncos]

I dont see much chance it gets expanded. Just keep it simple - Grant + Reath for Rui + Gabe + 29 FRP + a swap.

Taurean just left LAL for MIL. They dont have the assets to get Lauri. Its basically Grant, a S&T for DDR or LaVine. I think given their roster its pretty clear Jerami is the best fit of the 3.

[Blazinaway]

I dont see much chance it gets expanded. Just keep it simple - Grant + Reath for Rui + Gabe + 29 FRP + a swap.

Taurean just left LAL for MIL. They dont have the assets to get Lauri. Its basically Grant, a S&T for DDR or LaVine. I think given their roster its pretty clear Jerami is the best fit of the 3.

agree, let's see if it perhaps gets done next few days

[Wizenheimer]

I dont see much chance it gets expanded. Just keep it simple - Grant + Reath for Rui + Gabe + 29 FRP + a swap.

that trade isn't legal

including Lebron's estimated new salary, the Lakers are only 600-700K below the 2nd apron. That trade would have them send out 28M and take back 31.8M. They'd bust over the 2nd apron by 3M and since trade rules apply to what the impacts are of trades on team caps, the Lakers would be over the 2nd apron and could not aggregate salaries. That deal is DOA according to the CBA

I think there are a few of major obstacles to the Grant-->Lakers scenario. One is that about the only simple trade that works within the CBA is Grant for Russell + Hachimura. That trade would drop the Lakers more about 6.5M below the 2nd apron. But Russell was fairly valuable for them last season. His numbers were arguably better than Anfernee's. So, while the Lakers would like to add Grant, they almost certainly would not trade Russell + two first's. That's pipedream territory

Keep in mind that Grant is a 3rd/4th option on a good team but he has a 4-year, 33M/year deal. That's really steep and is a negative influence

another factor is that the while that works for the Lakers 2nd apron issue, it don't work for Portland's tax issue. The trade would bump them back over the tax line, and the Vulcans are watching. There are several ways to mitigate that, the simplest would be to route Russell (and/or Hachimura) to another team for less salary and draft assets

it's all speculation but my hunch is that Cronin has been overplaying his hand(s). All things considered, he may be asking way too much for Grant. I hope he isn't falling into the trap a lot of GM's fall into and that's the trap of investing too much ego into their transactions. Landing Grant (and Hart) for CJ and Nance was his first substantial success. He traded for Hart, then had to trade him away for Thybulle, then he foolishly matched Thybulle's offer sheet and that's a huge reason why the Blazers have struggled staying under the tax line for a 21 win team. A lot of mismanagement in that string of events which is why I suspect he's overvaluing Grant