2024 Free Agency

[babyjax13]

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I’m sure we would have offered that, and Morris simply chose PHX over MIN, because of the better opportunity, and a chance to get a bigger contract next year with more exposure.

At this point Morris might be starting in Phoenix lol

[winforlose]

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I’m sure we would have offered that, and Morris simply chose PHX over MIN, because of the better opportunity, and a chance to get a bigger contract next year with more exposure.

At this point Morris might be starting in Phoenix lol

Should be, yes. Might be, probably not. I don’t think they wanna bench Beal or Booker, and if you move Booker to the SF your moving Allen to the PF and KD to small ball C, or your benching Allen (he won’t take that well,) and that fails to capitalize on the gravity their big 3 creates. They have too many guys they don’t want to move to the bench and too poor a fit to make their current starting 5 work. I believe the technical term for this is fuc**d.

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Whats TyTy Washington problem?

UPD: found answer on this channel

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Serious question: fans who blames TC and organisation for letting Anderson go, are same fans who wanted Finch to bench Anderson after every his bad game in MIN?

[winforlose]

Serious question: fans who blames TC and organisation for letting Anderson go, are same fans who wanted Finch to bench Anderson after every his bad game in MIN?

I never wanted Kyle in the rotation last year or this year. I wanted his money to help skirt the 2nd apron penalty of having no MLE or tax payer MLE. Someone on real GM told me that you can use TPE (trade exemptions,) to sign free agents, kinda like the MLE (Middle Level Exemption.) My thought was that a January or February trade of Kyle to whoever wanted him would return either 1 player we like of better fit with our needs, 2 lesser players on smaller contracts to help improve at the margins and insure against free agents leaving (least desirable option, but still plausible,) or a TPE to be used to help sign a waived player around the trade deadline so long as they were under 12 million, (2nd apron teams cannot sign people above 12 million no matter what in the buyout market.) I was thrilled when I thought sign and trading Kyle got this TPE. I want us to add salary to help address the PG situation should anything happen to Mike or should RD stumble out of the gate. My concern is not with losing Kyle, (I find it addition by subtraction,) but rather the loss of an opportunity to use his bird rights to make us better this year.

Edit to add: Kyle would go along with this to keep his bird rights (something he did by sign and trading,) and he would serve a non rotation role as emergency depth at PG while also being competition for Miller, Minott, and TSJ for minutes (to keep the hungry.)

[minimus]

Serious question: fans who blames TC and organisation for letting Anderson go, are same fans who wanted Finch to bench Anderson after every his bad game in MIN?

I never wanted Kyle in the rotation last year or this year. I wanted his money to help skirt the 2nd apron penalty of having no MLE or tax payer MLE. Someone on real GM told me that you can use TPE (trade exemptions,) to sign free agents, kinda like the MLE (Middle Level Exemption.) My thought was that a January or February trade of Kyle to whoever wanted him would return either 1 player we like of better fit with our needs, 2 lesser players on smaller contracts to help improve at the margins and insure against free agents leaving (least desirable option, but still plausible,) or a TPE to be used to help sign a waived player around the trade deadline so long as they were under 12 million, (2nd apron teams cannot sign people above 12 million no matter what in the buyout market.) I was thrilled when I thought sign and trading Kyle got this TPE. I want us to add salary to help address the PG situation should anything happen to Mike or should RD stumble out of the gate. My concern is not with losing Kyle, (I find it addition by subtraction,) but rather the loss of an opportunity to use his bird rights to make us better this year.

Well, I was not reading gate threads much, but when I read Kyle was first to blame, sometime rightful. The whole idea of keeping Kyle as trade asset is very tricky, first Kyle is unique player he is not Jae Crowder who gets traded every season, because Jae had team friendly contract AND he was 3&D player who fits any offense. Kyle was/is not on team friendly contract and he is very specific player. He might be effective in GSW as passer, because of Steph shooting. So I dont see Anderson as positive asset because of his Bird rights and unique skillset.

P.S. Also team above 2nd apron cant use TPE. Even if we had TPE it is often not used because it is not a universal solution.

[winforlose]

Serious question: fans who blames TC and organisation for letting Anderson go, are same fans who wanted Finch to bench Anderson after every his bad game in MIN?

I never wanted Kyle in the rotation last year or this year. I wanted his money to help skirt the 2nd apron penalty of having no MLE or tax payer MLE. Someone on real GM told me that you can use TPE (trade exemptions,) to sign free agents, kinda like the MLE (Middle Level Exemption.) My thought was that a January or February trade of Kyle to whoever wanted him would return either 1 player we like of better fit with our needs, 2 lesser players on smaller contracts to help improve at the margins and insure against free agents leaving (least desirable option, but still plausible,) or a TPE to be used to help sign a waived player around the trade deadline so long as they were under 12 million, (2nd apron teams cannot sign people above 12 million no matter what in the buyout market.) I was thrilled when I thought sign and trading Kyle got this TPE. I want us to add salary to help address the PG situation should anything happen to Mike or should RD stumble out of the gate. My concern is not with losing Kyle, (I find it addition by subtraction,) but rather the loss of an opportunity to use his bird rights to make us better this year.

Well, I was not reading gate threads much, but when I read Kyle was first to blame, sometime rightful. The whole idea of keeping Kyle as trade asset is very tricky, first Kyle is unique player he is not Jae Crowder who gets traded every season, because Jae had team friendly contract AND he was 3&D player who fits any offense. Kyle was/is not on team friendly contract and he is very specific player. He might be effective in GSW as passer, because of Steph shooting. So I dont see Anderson as positive asset because of his Bird rights and unique skillset.

P.S. Also team above 2nd apron cant use TPE. Even if we had TPE it is often not used because it is not a universal solution.

1. Kyle’s defense, ball handling, and size will create a market for him (if no other purpose than injury replacement or insurance) so long as his contract is reasonable.

2. I know for a fact that 2nd apron teams can use TPEs in the year they are created (read it yesterday.) They cannot use them in the subsequent year (carry them over,) without becoming hard capped. As for using them to sign or acquire a free agent PG, I am not as sure. Worst case you trade for a guy another team would otherwise cut, (Gordon Hayward traded to OKC instead of being bought out.) Anything to help increase our payroll.

For context when GSW was super high in taxes they kept adding money and it kept them relevant way longer than they could be otherwise. Same with LAC and others. Counterintuitive in nature adding money equals adding options when the CBA takes the normal course of action away.

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I never wanted Kyle in the rotation last year or this year. I wanted his money to help skirt the 2nd apron penalty of having no MLE or tax payer MLE. Someone on real GM told me that you can use TPE (trade exemptions,) to sign free agents, kinda like the MLE (Middle Level Exemption.) My thought was that a January or February trade of Kyle to whoever wanted him would return either 1 player we like of better fit with our needs, 2 lesser players on smaller contracts to help improve at the margins and insure against free agents leaving (least desirable option, but still plausible,) or a TPE to be used to help sign a waived player around the trade deadline so long as they were under 12 million, (2nd apron teams cannot sign people above 12 million no matter what in the buyout market.) I was thrilled when I thought sign and trading Kyle got this TPE. I want us to add salary to help address the PG situation should anything happen to Mike or should RD stumble out of the gate. My concern is not with losing Kyle, (I find it addition by subtraction,) but rather the loss of an opportunity to use his bird rights to make us better this year.

Well, I was not reading gate threads much, but when I read Kyle was first to blame, sometime rightful. The whole idea of keeping Kyle as trade asset is very tricky, first Kyle is unique player he is not Jae Crowder who gets traded every season, because Jae had team friendly contract AND he was 3&D player who fits any offense. Kyle was/is not on team friendly contract and he is very specific player. He might be effective in GSW as passer, because of Steph shooting. So I dont see Anderson as positive asset because of his Bird rights and unique skillset.

P.S. Also team above 2nd apron cant use TPE. Even if we had TPE it is often not used because it is not a universal solution.

1. Kyle’s defense, ball handling, and size will create a market for him (if no other purpose than injury replacement or insurance) so long as his contract is reasonable.

Anderson's market as non shooting wing is very small, which makes whole idea to sign him now to trade him later very questionable. If you sign Anderson you sign him to play for your team. I also dont think that Anderson would accept any paycut at this stage of his career.

2. I know for a fact that 2nd apron teams can use TPEs in the year they are created (read it yesterday.) They cannot use them in the subsequent year (carry them over,) without becoming hard capped. As for using them to sign or acquire a free agent PG, I am not as sure. Worst case you trade for a guy another team would otherwise cut, (Gordon Hayward traded to OKC instead of being bought out.) Anything to help increase our payroll.

For context when GSW was super high in taxes they kept adding money and it kept them relevant way longer than they could be otherwise. Same with LAC and others. Counterintuitive in nature adding money equals adding options when the CBA takes the normal course of action away.

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In other words Kyle as TPE is not working solution for MIN

[KGdaBom]

Serious question: fans who blames TC and organisation for letting Anderson go, are same fans who wanted Finch to bench Anderson after every his bad game in MIN?

I believe you are correct.

[winforlose]

Well, I was not reading gate threads much, but when I read Kyle was first to blame, sometime rightful. The whole idea of keeping Kyle as trade asset is very tricky, first Kyle is unique player he is not Jae Crowder who gets traded every season, because Jae had team friendly contract AND he was 3&D player who fits any offense. Kyle was/is not on team friendly contract and he is very specific player. He might be effective in GSW as passer, because of Steph shooting. So I dont see Anderson as positive asset because of his Bird rights and unique skillset.

P.S. Also team above 2nd apron cant use TPE. Even if we had TPE it is often not used because it is not a universal solution.

1. Kyle’s defense, ball handling, and size will create a market for him (if no other purpose than injury replacement or insurance) so long as his contract is reasonable.

Anderson's market as non shooting wing is very small, which makes whole idea to sign him now to trade him later very questionable. If you sign Anderson you sign him to play for your team. I also dont think that Anderson would accept any paycut at this stage of his career.

2. I know for a fact that 2nd apron teams can use TPEs in the year they are created (read it yesterday.) They cannot use them in the subsequent year (carry them over,) without becoming hard capped. As for using them to sign or acquire a free agent PG, I am not as sure. Worst case you trade for a guy another team would otherwise cut, (Gordon Hayward traded to OKC instead of being bought out.) Anything to help increase our payroll.

For context when GSW was super high in taxes they kept adding money and it kept them relevant way longer than they could be otherwise. Same with LAC and others. Counterintuitive in nature adding money equals adding options when the CBA takes the normal course of action away.

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In other words Kyle as TPE is not working solution for MIN

1. The more you pay him the smaller the trade market. But Kyle and Monte were the only guys we could pay using bird rights and therefore the literal only ways to increase payroll. You think it is too risky, I get that, but so is going into the season without proper PG insurance.

2. To be clear, you sign him to a deal in July, you trade him ASAP (I believe you need to wait 90 days.) Thus a functional sign and trade but one that does generate a TPE. This was never about Kyle, only the financial stuff.

3. Kyle’s options were very limited as most teams didn’t have the MLE to give, and leaving would cost him his bird rights, whereas signing with us and being traded after the minimum amount of waiting time gets him his money, and us our TPE.

[cmoss84]

"Lebron James is willing to take a pay cut to support his son...I mean...pay his son...I mean...Make room for DeMar DeRozan."
Bronnie earned his way...duhh (thanks for the clarification JJ).

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We got the ghost of Joe Ingles

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[Howard Mass]

Joe Ingles is a good pickup for you guys.

He is a great influence and will be missed here in Orlando.

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I knew it!!! I knew it!!!

[winforlose]

Joe Ingles is a good pickup for you guys.

He is a great influence and will be missed here in Orlando.

Honest answer please. How much does Joe have left in the tank?

[Howard Mass]

Joe Ingles is a good pickup for you guys.

He is a great influence and will be missed here in Orlando.

Honest answer please. How much does Joe have left in the tank?

He can play for a few minutes if needed. He's a good guy to have at the end of the bench.

[winforlose]

Joe Ingles is a good pickup for you guys.

He is a great influence and will be missed here in Orlando.

Honest answer please. How much does Joe have left in the tank?

He can play for a few minutes if needed. He's a good guy to have at the end of the bench.

Can he defend anyone? Is he anything more than a shooter at this point?

[shrink]

He knows how to feed Gobert, which is no small thing. Even smart, vet Mike Conley said when he joined the Jazz, it took him a full year to figure it out.

For the vet min, there isn’t much downside.

[BlacJacMac]

Honest answer please. How much does Joe have left in the tank?

He can play for a few minutes if needed. He's a good guy to have at the end of the bench.

Can he defend anyone? Is he anything more than a shooter at this point?

He'll shoot, pass and rebound. Can probably still give you a good 10 MPG.

He's SloMo if you swap shooting for defense...

[Neeva]

I like if better than some project at end of the bench that will never play or amount to anything so at least we will have a high iq vet to help in regular season and to win the top seed. I don’t expect him to play much in the playoffs which is fine because wolves will be deep.