WOJ: Anderson to Warriors 3/27

[Godaddycurse]

Posted the following on the Minnesota board.

Since people are confused…

1. Sign and trades do not generate TPE’s.
2. Golden State had no other pathway to signing him beyond a sign-and-trade. This deal hard caps them at the First Apron.
3. This deal is largely a way to treat Kyle Anderson right and allow him to sign with the team that he wanted to go to.
4. Minnesota decided that they could not afford bringing Kyle Anderson back at this price (welcome to the reality of the new CBA).
5. Getting a second round pick swap and cash for functionally doing absolutely nothing is obviously worthwhile (especially while generating good will with an outgoing player).
6. It is entirely possible that Kyle Anderson wanted to leave, you can’t hold an unrestricted free agent hostage.

All of the discussion around usable TPE’s is wrong, and the idea that the Minnesota Timberwolves could afford to just sign Kyle now and trade him later is not appropriately appreciating the new reality of the Second Apron (Minnesota cannot afford that financial risk for a Kyle Anderson level player).

Is that new in this CBA? it did generate TPEs before

[schaffy]

What you get for below MLE. NBA shooting percentages usually go up when you play with Curry gravity

His shooting is hard to figure out, man. Career 33% and shot 23% last year...but shot 41% for Memphis the season before.

If he can get into the mid-30s that would be huge.

He had a vision problem that required surgery after the '23 playoffs and a slow recovery during the year. He said after the All-Star break he felt like himself again and could see fine.

https://sports.yahoo.com/just-couldn-t-see-much-112400311.html?guccounter=1

It barely improved his shooting post break though...

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[Slim Charless]

Does this foreshadow a Wiggins trade? I think it does.

To who and for what though? Detroit and you guys are the only teams that make even slight sense and that's a maybe if at all.

Sacramento could be interesting.

Huerter (replacement for old klay) + Harrison Barnes (as a return cameo)

for

Wiggins + Moody


I can’t believe I’m the only one talking about that here.



Steph / DeAnthony
Podz / Huerter
Kuminga / KAnderson
Draymond / Barnes
Looney / TJD


Fox / (Monk)
Monk / Ellis / DCarter
Keegan / Duarte / Jones
Wiggins / Lyles
Sabonis / Len

Inner divisional trades seem rare among the playoffs contenders. I guess they take what they can get but still....

[Crazy-Canuck]

Does this foreshadow a Wiggins trade? I think it does.

Jk is a 4
Slomo is a 4

Wiggins is a wing.

Ignoring positions, their defensive and offensive roles are different.

Slomo is essentially pf depth which is badly needed.

[zimpy27]

I like the moves GSW have made but don't think they contend.

[The-Power]

TJD really isn't good enough to play starter minutes.

It's not a requirement for Warriors starting Centers to play regular starter minutes. I actually don't think that has ever happened during Curry's tenure with the Warriors.

[MessiahUjiri]

Does this foreshadow a Wiggins trade? I think it does.

Jk is a 4
Slomo is a 4

Wiggins is a wing.

Ignoring positions, their defensive and offensive roles are different.

Slomo is essentially pf depth which is badly needed.

Kuminga and Wiggins are both SF/PF.
Dray is PF/C
Slomo is PF/SF
TJD is PF/C
Looney is C


Anyway you slice it, Wiggins salary doesn’t justify his minutes, therefore he should be a trade candidate.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Does this foreshadow a Wiggins trade? I think it does.

Jk is a 4
Slomo is a 4

Wiggins is a wing.

Ignoring positions, their defensive and offensive roles are different.

Slomo is essentially pf depth which is badly needed.

Kuminga and Wiggins are both SF/PF.
Dray is PF/C
Slomo is PF/SF
TJD is PF/C
Looney is C


Anyway you slice it, Wiggins salary doesn’t justify his minutes, therefore he should be a trade candidate.

Jk is 100% a 4. He practices as a 4. He plays as the 4. He's been called a 4 by basically everyone on the coaching staff. On the dubs, he's a 4.
On another team? Maybe he can be a 3, but I dont think there are many sfs that can't dribble nor shoot.

Tjd is not a 4. He's only a 5.

The overlap is at pf now with jk, dray, and slomo.

Dubs have plenty of guards, but really only 2 wings: Wiggins and moody.

[gswhoops]

Does this foreshadow a Wiggins trade? I think it does.

Jk is a 4
Slomo is a 4

Wiggins is a wing.

Ignoring positions, their defensive and offensive roles are different.

Slomo is essentially pf depth which is badly needed.

Kuminga and Wiggins are both SF/PF.
Dray is PF/C
Slomo is PF/SF
TJD is PF/C
Looney is C


Anyway you slice it, Wiggins salary doesn’t justify his minutes, therefore he should be a trade candidate.

This is the reason we would trade him, not positional crowding.

As others have noted, Wiggins is really the only proven wing (i.e., 2/3) on the roster. I would be very surprised if Anderson played significant minutes at the 3. I think the FO would like to be able to play JK at the 3, but he would have to improve his shooting to make it viable.

[Colbinii]

SlowMo isn't really a player you put a label on and I wish people would stop using positions like they are playing 2K.

The reality basketball players have skill-sets and meshing skill-sets is how you create a positive impact basketball line-ups.

SlowMo has the following under his skill-sets:
Ball-Handler
Playmaker and Passer
Post-Up Offense (Back to the basket game)
Hook/Floater

His skill-sets is actually more of a Point Guard than anything. The problem is, he can't shoot in any capacity except this weird 10-12 push shot.

Defensively, this is where the rest of his value comes in. Incredibly effective on-ball with his size. Disrupts passing lanes. Switches 1-5 (Legitimately guarded Luka and Jokic to carrying success in back-to-back series) and is a solid rebounder.

Kyle Anderson is sort of like Ben Simmons, but instead of this lightning fast guy he is a slow and methodical player. Similar strengths and weaknesses, though. Ben Simmons was a pseudo-Point Guard.

So when you start to look at basketball players in terms of skill-sets and not Positional Labels, you can get much further in thinking about how they can positively affect the game.

His fit with Draymond isn't great, but the defense with the two is like Gobert/SlowMo.

His fit with Curry is incredible though.

[winforlose]

SlowMo isn't really a player you put a label on and I wish people would stop using positions like they are playing 2K.

The reality basketball players have skill-sets and meshing skill-sets is how you create a positive impact basketball line-ups.

SlowMo has the following under his skill-sets:
Ball-Handler
Playmaker and Passer
Post-Up Offense (Back to the basket game)
Hook/Floater

His skill-sets is actually more of a Point Guard than anything. The problem is, he can't shoot in any capacity except this weird 10-12 push shot.

Defensively, this is where the rest of his value comes in. Incredibly effective on-ball with his size. Disrupts passing lanes. Switches 1-5 (Legitimately guarded Luka and Jokic to carrying success in back-to-back series) and is a solid rebounder.

Kyle Anderson is sort of like Ben Simmons, but instead of this lightning fast guy he is a slow and methodical player. Similar strengths and weaknesses, though. Ben Simmons was a pseudo-Point Guard.

So when you start to look at basketball players in terms of skill-sets and not Positional Labels, you can get much further in thinking about how they can positively affect the game.

His fit with Draymond isn't great, but the defense with the two is like Gobert/SlowMo.

His fit with Curry is incredible though.

Non shooters mess with shooters and their spacing. I think Kyle is gonna be as much of a mess for them as he was for us. That said, at 9 mil with some resale value and GSW’s limited options, probably a chance worth taking.

[Colbinii]

SlowMo isn't really a player you put a label on and I wish people would stop using positions like they are playing 2K.

The reality basketball players have skill-sets and meshing skill-sets is how you create a positive impact basketball line-ups.

SlowMo has the following under his skill-sets:
Ball-Handler
Playmaker and Passer
Post-Up Offense (Back to the basket game)
Hook/Floater

His skill-sets is actually more of a Point Guard than anything. The problem is, he can't shoot in any capacity except this weird 10-12 push shot.

Defensively, this is where the rest of his value comes in. Incredibly effective on-ball with his size. Disrupts passing lanes. Switches 1-5 (Legitimately guarded Luka and Jokic to carrying success in back-to-back series) and is a solid rebounder.

Kyle Anderson is sort of like Ben Simmons, but instead of this lightning fast guy he is a slow and methodical player. Similar strengths and weaknesses, though. Ben Simmons was a pseudo-Point Guard.

So when you start to look at basketball players in terms of skill-sets and not Positional Labels, you can get much further in thinking about how they can positively affect the game.

His fit with Draymond isn't great, but the defense with the two is like Gobert/SlowMo.

His fit with Curry is incredible though.

Non shooters mess with shooters and their spacing. I think Kyle is gonna be as much of a mess for them as he was for us. That said, at 9 mil with some resale value and GSW’s limited options, probably a chance worth taking.

Yeah 100%. He should also do well in some interesting line-ups like Curry/Hield/Podz/Wiggins/SlowMo varieties.

[MessiahUjiri]

SlowMo isn't really a player you put a label on and I wish people would stop using positions like they are playing 2K.

The reality basketball players have skill-sets and meshing skill-sets is how you create a positive impact basketball line-ups.

SlowMo has the following under his skill-sets:
Ball-Handler
Playmaker and Passer
Post-Up Offense (Back to the basket game)
Hook/Floater

His skill-sets is actually more of a Point Guard than anything. The problem is, he can't shoot in any capacity except this weird 10-12 push shot.

Defensively, this is where the rest of his value comes in. Incredibly effective on-ball with his size. Disrupts passing lanes. Switches 1-5 (Legitimately guarded Luka and Jokic to carrying success in back-to-back series) and is a solid rebounder.

Kyle Anderson is sort of like Ben Simmons, but instead of this lightning fast guy he is a slow and methodical player. Similar strengths and weaknesses, though. Ben Simmons was a pseudo-Point Guard.

So when you start to look at basketball players in terms of skill-sets and not Positional Labels, you can get much further in thinking about how they can positively affect the game.

His fit with Draymond isn't great, but the defense with the two is like Gobert/SlowMo.

His fit with Curry is incredible though.

Non shooters mess with shooters and their spacing. I think Kyle is gonna be as much of a mess for them as he was for us. That said, at 9 mil with some resale value and GSW’s limited options, probably a chance worth taking.

Yeah 100%. He should also do well in some interesting line-ups like Curry/Hield/Podz/Wiggins/SlowMo varieties.

I like the idea of SloMo / Draymond at the 4 / 5, and pairing them with Wiggins if he isn’t traded away.


Steph / Hield / Wiggins / SloMo / Draymond


Steph and Hield would infinitely space the floor. Draymond at the top of the arc for playmaking. SloMo close to the basket with his size and court vision. Wiggins hunts for mismatches.

[Scoot McGroot]

Do the Wolves get a TPE for this?

Nope no tpe for 2nd apron teams

So I was listening to some podcast, and I was under the impression that a TPE is created, but it just can’t be used. Why would this matter? In case a team drops below the second apron in the future.

Marks posted none is created, but he was really getting mixed up on that trade, and had to take down a few tweets. Does anyone know for sure?

In this case, I believe that it’s specifically an outgoing sign and trade. The rules disallow a 2nd apron team from acquiring a player contract by signing and trading away a player. Thus, no TPE. I believe if the player was already under contract and traded away, Minnesota would create a TPE but be unable to use it until they were under the 2nd apron (and would then hard cap themselves at the 2nd apron from using it).

[WarFan]

Nope no tpe for 2nd apron teams

So I was listening to some podcast, and I was under the impression that a TPE is created, but it just can’t be used. Why would this matter? In case a team drops below the second apron in the future.

Marks posted none is created, but he was really getting mixed up on that trade, and had to take down a few tweets. Does anyone know for sure?

In this case, I believe that it’s specifically an outgoing sign and trade. The rules disallow a 2nd apron team from acquiring a player contract by signing and trading away a player. Thus, no TPE. I believe if the player was already under contract and traded away, Minnesota would create a TPE but be unable to use it until they were under the 2nd apron (and would then hard cap themselves at the 2nd apron from using it).

So a team below the second apron would get a TPE when sending a player out like this?

[Scoot McGroot]

So I was listening to some podcast, and I was under the impression that a TPE is created, but it just can’t be used. Why would this matter? In case a team drops below the second apron in the future.

Marks posted none is created, but he was really getting mixed up on that trade, and had to take down a few tweets. Does anyone know for sure?

In this case, I believe that it’s specifically an outgoing sign and trade. The rules disallow a 2nd apron team from acquiring a player contract by signing and trading away a player. Thus, no TPE. I believe if the player was already under contract and traded away, Minnesota would create a TPE but be unable to use it until they were under the 2nd apron (and would then hard cap themselves at the 2nd apron from using it).

So a team below the second apron would get a TPE when sending a player out like this?

Sign and trading a player away? Yes. It’s how GS had temporarily arranged to acquire Buddy and Kyle Anderson as they are sign and trading Klay away.

[WarFan]

In this case, I believe that it’s specifically an outgoing sign and trade. The rules disallow a 2nd apron team from acquiring a player contract by signing and trading away a player. Thus, no TPE. I believe if the player was already under contract and traded away, Minnesota would create a TPE but be unable to use it until they were under the 2nd apron (and would then hard cap themselves at the 2nd apron from using it).

So a team below the second apron would get a TPE when sending a player out like this?

Sign and trading a player away? Yes. It’s how GS had temporarily arranged to acquire Buddy and Kyle Anderson as they are sign and trading Klay away.

I get what they’re trying to do but I don’t like how they’ve broken the way trades have worked for decades. It would make more sense to me to let them have the TPE but be unable to use it as long as they’re in the second apron.

[Scoot McGroot]

So a team below the second apron would get a TPE when sending a player out like this?

Sign and trading a player away? Yes. It’s how GS had temporarily arranged to acquire Buddy and Kyle Anderson as they are sign and trading Klay away.

I get what they’re trying to do but I don’t like how they’ve broken the way trades have worked for decades. It would make more sense to me to let them have the TPE but be unable to use it as long as they’re in the second apron.

Im sorry. I’m confused what you’re asking, and from what team, and I maybe giving you wrong answers based on what you’re asking.

A second apron team can get a TPE if they trade away a player currently under contract, but they cannot use it until they’re under the 2nd apron, and hard cap themselves at the second apron if they use a TPE to absorb salary. A 2nd apron team does NOT receive a TPE if they sign and trade a player away, as a 2nd apron team cannot acquire a player contract by signing and trading a player away.

A team under the second apron would create a TPE regardless of whether they’re trading a player away that was on an existing contract or if they were signed and traded away.

[WarFan]

Sign and trading a player away? Yes. It’s how GS had temporarily arranged to acquire Buddy and Kyle Anderson as they are sign and trading Klay away.

I get what they’re trying to do but I don’t like how they’ve broken the way trades have worked for decades. It would make more sense to me to let them have the TPE but be unable to use it as long as they’re in the second apron.

Im sorry. I’m confused what you’re asking, and from what team, and I maybe giving you wrong answers based on what you’re asking.

A second apron team can get a TPE if they trade away a player currently under contract, but they cannot use it until they’re under the 2nd apron, and hard cap themselves at the second apron if they use a TPE to absorb salary. A 2nd apron team does NOT receive a TPE if they sign and trade a player away, as a 2nd apron team cannot acquire a player contract by signing and trading a player away.

A team under the second apron would create a TPE regardless of whether they’re trading a player away that was on an existing contract or if they were signed and traded away.

I think Minnesota should still get a TPE for sending out SloMo in a s&t, even if they’re a second apron team. Other new second apron rules would still apply so they could only use it in the next year if they fall below the second apron and using it does not put them above the second apron. Seems like the same effective result to me without breaking the way salary matching has always worked.

[Scoot McGroot]

I get what they’re trying to do but I don’t like how they’ve broken the way trades have worked for decades. It would make more sense to me to let them have the TPE but be unable to use it as long as they’re in the second apron.

Im sorry. I’m confused what you’re asking, and from what team, and I maybe giving you wrong answers based on what you’re asking.

A second apron team can get a TPE if they trade away a player currently under contract, but they cannot use it until they’re under the 2nd apron, and hard cap themselves at the second apron if they use a TPE to absorb salary. A 2nd apron team does NOT receive a TPE if they sign and trade a player away, as a 2nd apron team cannot acquire a player contract by signing and trading a player away.

A team under the second apron would create a TPE regardless of whether they’re trading a player away that was on an existing contract or if they were signed and traded away.

I think Minnesota should still get a TPE for sending out SloMo in a s&t, even if they’re a second apron team. Other new second apron rules would still apply so they could only use it in the next year if they fall below the second apron and using it does not put them above the second apron. Seems like the same effective result to me without breaking the way salary matching has always worked.

They were a second apron team at the time that they signed and traded away Anderson, so they won’t receive a TPE, as second apron teams are not allowed to sign and trade a player away and receive a player contract in return (they can get picks or draft rights). A TPE is the ability to trade salary and receive a player non-simultaneously, so because the second apron specifically excludes that possibility, Minnesota won’t receive a TPE.