Retool or rebuild? How much would you sell and when (deadline or offseason?)

[Cyrus]

Getting Rid of Atkins, isn't going to solve the problem. The whole group think tank group, analytics, and such that they heavily lean on, needs to be re-examined.

Yes Atkins needs to go, but I highly doubt Atkins is making these terrible deals and such on his own, while his analytics and others in the whole baseball ops is saying something else. It's likely all confirming the bias, thoughts they had in making said moves...

When I say Atkins has to go, I assume that is a first domino to fall. I assume a new GM would insist on freedom to build their own staff, including the analytics team, scouting, and coaching.

Shapiro will just bring in another incompetent yes-man to replace him. And if Shapiro goes, and he must if we want any kind of change, Ed will just bring in another idiot like him. This team will never accomplish anything as long as Rogers has unchecked power over its operations.

Obviously I want Shapiro and Atkins gone in the off-chance Rogers hires a competent executive, but I'm done being hopeful with this team.

I think James click takes over but if the same think tank is in place, I don't have much confidence it'll be better.

[Mehar]

When I say Atkins has to go, I assume that is a first domino to fall. I assume a new GM would insist on freedom to build their own staff, including the analytics team, scouting, and coaching.

Shapiro will just bring in another incompetent yes-man to replace him. And if Shapiro goes, and he must if we want any kind of change, Ed will just bring in another idiot like him. This team will never accomplish anything as long as Rogers has unchecked power over its operations.

Obviously I want Shapiro and Atkins gone in the off-chance Rogers hires a competent executive, but I'm done being hopeful with this team.

I think James click takes over but if the same think tank is in place, I don't have much confidence it'll be better.

I have been advocating for Click ever since last summer, based on his Championship track record in Houston and earlier time in Tampa (when they were winning over 90 Games over a decade ago, in 4 straight seasons on a low budget).

However, I have the same feeling. I will have no confidence if the same Think Tank is there. Click should have the autonomy to clean house as he sees, and bring his own people in like he chooses (without being handicapped from above).

[Raps in 4]

Shapiro will just bring in another incompetent yes-man to replace him. And if Shapiro goes, and he must if we want any kind of change, Ed will just bring in another idiot like him. This team will never accomplish anything as long as Rogers has unchecked power over its operations.

Obviously I want Shapiro and Atkins gone in the off-chance Rogers hires a competent executive, but I'm done being hopeful with this team.

I think James click takes over but if the same think tank is in place, I don't have much confidence it'll be better.

I have been advocating for Click ever since last summer, based on his Championship track record in Houston and earlier time in Tampa (when they were winning over 90 Games over a decade ago, in 4 straight seasons on a low budget).

However, I have the same feeling. I will have no confidence if the same Think Tank is there. Click should have the autonomy to clean house as he sees, and bring his own people in like he chooses (without being handicapped from above).

Yep. If Shapiro isn't gone, Click is just going to be forced into making the same decisions Atkins did. He needs to be gone and a hands-off president like Beeston needs to brought in.

[ItsDanger]

Retool won't be enough. A rebuild is necessary but won't be acknowledged for a while. Just don't see a realistic path to fix this team.

[rarefind]

A retool would be akin to rehauling a 2003 Honda Civic with 400k km's, a shot engine comprised of more rust than vehicle.

Rogers and Shapiro can float a retool all day long but there is nothing to retool from.

[GoRapstheoriginal]

https://www.tsn.ca/mlb/why-the-toronto-blue-jays-should-retool-roster-not-rebuild-1.2144604

[WaltFrazier]

Like Steve Simmons or not, he really nails the problem with Shapiro here:

https://torontosun.com/sports/baseball/toronto-blue-jays/horrible-state-of-blue-jays-and-the-impending-front-office-shuffle

[ItsDanger]

Like Steve Simmons or not, he really nails the problem with Shapiro here:

https://torontosun.com/sports/baseball/toronto-blue-jays/horrible-state-of-blue-jays-and-the-impending-front-office-shuffle

It's a fair assessment. This team is a mess.

[dagger]

Springer's revival might offer an opportunity to deal him away, eating salary but avoiding another couple of his epic slow starts.