An early summer 2024 thread

[Goner]

Probably nothing to do with us but this could be crazy … I don’t think it gives details going by the comments. I can’t read the article either.

Read on Twitter

Ya, nothing to do with us. Hollinger just speculates that the only way to pull off this deal would be to combine it with other deals (Like the Anderson one).

[TrueLAfan]

Well …

Read on Twitter

Not sure I’m buying the Miles Bridges stuff. He’s a good player, and his most recent arrest charges were dropped due to “insufficient evidence” (his ex-girlfriend changed her story a bunch of times). But any time you’re using the phrase “most recent arrest charges” then something is Not Good. I’m sure he’s interested in a sign and trade.

Would I like to have him? Sure. But not at that price, which brings up a player I’ve talked about. Saddiq Bey (obviously) is injured right now and can’t play. Saddiq Bey is a Grade B+/A- version of Miles Bridges. Same size, similar production. Similar player styles; high motor guys on both ends, can play PF sometimes. But, ffs, if we’re seriously talking about Powell and Mann as trade chips for Miles Bridges … look, dump a little salary, and sign Saddiq Bey to a two year deal at around 5-6 million. You lose most of a year, maybe a whole year. But you get him after that at a fraction of the cost, and he’s got (a lot!) fewer off court issues.

Now, Powell and Mann in a John Collins deal ...

[MartinToVaught]

Am I the only one who's not salivating over John Collins? He's not even that good, especially for what he's being paid, and the last thing we need is our bumbling front office negotiating a trade with Danny Ainge.

[TrueLAfan]

Am I the only one who's not salivating over John Collins? He's not even that good, especially for what he's being paid, and the last thing we need is our bumbling front office negotiating a trade with Danny Ainge.

Yes and no. I was bigger on Collins a couple of years ago with the Hawks. He’s not a perfect player; he really doesn’t play well at C, and it seems like he needs a bit of adjustment time. He was just okay in his first couple of months with the Jazz. But he improved as the season progressed and basically got up to what seems to be his normal level—and it’s a good level at a position where we’ve needed help for years. Collins is an efficient 30-32 mpg, 17 and 8.5 guy that shoot a little from the perimeter and has enough lateral movement and hops to block a few shots and play adequate D.

Is that worth $26.5 million a year? Here are the people currently around him in salary.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1A-doh_bsjfN_xOtqky46IrvkdFgb2oRl/view?usp=sharing

You don't get perfect players at the price point--you get good to very good ones. I think Collins fits that description. He'd be a good pickup.

[donemilio21]

Roster is at 15 already. We'll have to send someone out to make room anyone else. And that 15 doesn't include Cam Christie.

[Clemenza]

Hate to admit it, but I'm starting to warm up on the possibility of acquiring Bridges. Bad pub of course, but I think he'll break out if he joins our team.

[Clemenza]

For those asleep or refuse to believe it, Zu is happening next season!

Read on Twitter

[madmaxmedia]

Am I the only one who's not salivating over John Collins? He's not even that good, especially for what he's being paid, and the last thing we need is our bumbling front office negotiating a trade with Danny Ainge.

Yes and no. I was bigger on Collins a couple of years ago with the Hawks. He’s not a perfect player; he really doesn’t play well at C, and it seems like he needs a bit of adjustment time. He was just okay in his first couple of months with the Jazz. But he improved as the season progressed and basically got up to what seems to be his normal level—and it’s a good level at a position where we’ve needed help for years. Collins is an efficient 30-32 mpg, 17 and 8.5 guy that shoot a little from the perimeter and has enough lateral movement and hops to block a few shots and play adequate D.

Is that worth $26.5 million a year? Here are the people currently around him in salary.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1A-doh_bsjfN_xOtqky46IrvkdFgb2oRl/view?usp=sharing

You don't get perfect players at the price point--you get good to very good ones. I think Collins fits that description. He'd be a good pickup.

If his salary was less we probably wouldn't be in the position to get him. Maybe makes a bit too much? But he's only got 2 more years (2nd year is a PO) and is only 26. His season averages last year were also a nice rebound, especially 3PT%.

For a position of need, the salary is absolutely fine IMO.

[madmaxmedia]

Probably nothing to do with us but this could be crazy … I don’t think it gives details going by the comments. I can’t read the article either.

Read on Twitter

Ya, nothing to do with us. Hollinger just speculates that the only way to pull off this deal would be to combine it with other deals (Like the Anderson one).

Full post:

How might the Buddy Hield deal work for Golden State?

If the Golden State Warriors send Gui Santos to Philadelphia and sign second-round pick Quinten Post to a rookie minimum deal, that leaves them about $14 million under the tax apron for Buddy Hield. But the only way I can see to import him at that salary is to incorporate Hield and Kyle Anderson into the same sign-and-trade that sent Klay Thompson outbound, turning it into a five-team mega trade between Charlotte, Dallas, Minnesota, Golden State and Philadelphia.

Why Santos? Philadelphia acquiring him into cap space would mean the Sixers could aggregate him into a trade immediately. That, perhaps, would allow them to combine his salary and Paul Reed’s to acquire a player not attainable with Reed's salary alone, such as Cleveland's Caris LeVert or Sacramento's Kevin Huerter.

[donemilio21]

it appears to be the FO is trying to position max flexibility for the summer of 2026. We will only have $61M committed to Kawhi and DJJ.

Potential 2026 free agents are SGA, Luka, Trea, Brunson and Embiid. you also have a 2nd tier group of Mikal Bridges, Bradley Beal, Kevin Durant, Rudy Gobert, Irving, Ayton, Porzingis, Jaren Jackson Jr. etc....

[TucsonClip]

Well …

Read on Twitter

Not sure I’m buying the Miles Bridges stuff. He’s a good player, and his most recent arrest charges were dropped due to “insufficient evidence” (his ex-girlfriend changed her story a bunch of times). But any time you’re using the phrase “most recent arrest charges” then something is Not Good. I’m sure he’s interested in a sign and trade.

Would I like to have him? Sure. But not at that price, which brings up a player I’ve talked about. Saddiq Bey (obviously) is injured right now and can’t play. Saddiq Bey is a Grade B+/A- version of Miles Bridges. Same size, similar production. Similar player styles; high motor guys on both ends, can play PF sometimes. But, ffs, if we’re seriously talking about Powell and Mann as trade chips for Miles Bridges … look, dump a little salary, and sign Saddiq Bey to a two year deal at around 5-6 million. You lose most of a year, maybe a whole year. But you get him after that at a fraction of the cost, and he’s got (a lot!) fewer off court issues.

Now, Powell and Mann in a John Collins deal ...

I don't want a guy like Bridges on the team, but he's definitely a better player than Bey. Higher usage, better rebounder, more efficient. No thanks to either.

[TucsonClip]

Am I the only one who's not salivating over John Collins? He's not even that good, especially for what he's being paid, and the last thing we need is our bumbling front office negotiating a trade with Danny Ainge.

Never been a big fan, because his impact overall always seems to be much lesser than his stat sheet.

That's said, he'd add more versatility with his shooting and rim running, athleticism, ect. I'd take him over having to deal with Bridges.

[illastrate]

Definitely dig the Mo Bamba pick up.. Whats up Minnesota? Wanna play for that WCF spot? : )

Upgrade over Plumlee, in all likelyhood.


I don't care what the media is saying.. this is turning out to be a progressive, fun off-season for the Clips

Really clearing house on the players that didn't work or don't bring enough of what the team needs.

The media doesn't get it and is like "what are the clippers doing? what are they in the west?" in such an ignorant/dismissive way... -- the league got tired of the overspending to stack stars, and now its more difficult to do that, so teams have to balance themselves out and get more creative.

Gonna be neat to see a matrix/comp. chart of the main roster to end of last seasons roster -- later in the month/August after the moves are rounding down.

I think there's this visceral reaction to "losing a player for nothing" and the media has jumped all over it. It's like even if you have to take back garbage from the Warriors, they would say it was better than getting nothing for PG. But the one thing I've learned is how little nuance is used in the media. Their lack of understanding about the 2nd apron and how punitive it is plays a part, their lack of watching PG in the playoffs and the things he says in general are on display here, and their lack of knowing the flexibility that has been created is for damn sure on display.

[Ballings7]

it appears to be the FO is trying to position max flexibility for the summer of 2026. We will only have $61M committed to Kawhi and DJJ.

Potential 2026 free agents are SGA, Luka, Trea, Brunson and Embiid. you also have a 2nd tier group of Mikal Bridges, Bradley Beal, Kevin Durant, Rudy Gobert, Irving, Ayton, Porzingis, Jaren Jackson Jr. etc....

Good point, thats a really premiere FA class.

Am I the only one who's not salivating over John Collins? He's not even that good, especially for what he's being paid, and the last thing we need is our bumbling front office negotiating a trade with Danny Ainge.

Yes and no. I was bigger on Collins a couple of years ago with the Hawks. He’s not a perfect player; he really doesn’t play well at C, and it seems like he needs a bit of adjustment time. He was just okay in his first couple of months with the Jazz. But he improved as the season progressed and basically got up to what seems to be his normal level—and it’s a good level at a position where we’ve needed help for years. Collins is an efficient 30-32 mpg, 17 and 8.5 guy that shoot a little from the perimeter and has enough lateral movement and hops to block a few shots and play adequate D.

Is that worth $26.5 million a year? Here are the people currently around him in salary.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1A-doh_bsjfN_xOtqky46IrvkdFgb2oRl/view?usp=sharing

You don't get perfect players at the price point--you get good to very good ones. I think Collins fits that description. He'd be a good pickup.

If his salary was less we probably wouldn't be in the position to get him. Maybe makes a bit too much? But he's only got 2 more years (2nd year is a PO) and is only 26. His season averages last year were also a nice rebound, especially 3PT%.

For a position of need, the salary is absolutely fine IMO.

Yeah between Bridges and Collins, I would go for Collins -- but would be pleased with either, both bring different things where the team can really benefit.


Harden
Mann
Kawhi
Collins
Zubac

Solid and potent starting five there. Or go a bit bigger if Mann is traded...

Harden
Jones Jr.
Kawhi
Collins
Zubac

[esqtvd]

For those asleep or refuse to believe it, Zu is happening next season!

Read on Twitter

Nice finish on the break

Read on Twitter

[Clemenza]

it appears to be the FO is trying to position max flexibility for the summer of 2026. We will only have $61M committed to Kawhi and DJJ.

Potential 2026 free agents are SGA, Luka, Trea, Brunson and Embiid. you also have a 2nd tier group of Mikal Bridges, Bradley Beal, Kevin Durant, Rudy Gobert, Irving, Ayton, Porzingis, Jaren Jackson Jr. etc....

Screw all that. Lets develop some guys. Only 2-3 of those guys are will be worth mentioning in 2026 and they'll more than likely stay where they're at.

[Clemenza]

Definitely dig the Mo Bamba pick up.. Whats up Minnesota? Wanna play for that WCF spot? : )

Upgrade over Plumlee, in all likelyhood.


I don't care what the media is saying.. this is turning out to be a progressive, fun off-season for the Clips

Really clearing house on the players that didn't work or don't bring enough of what the team needs.

The media doesn't get it and is like "what are the clippers doing? what are they in the west?" in such an ignorant/dismissive way... -- the league got tired of the overspending to stack stars, and now its more difficult to do that, so teams have to balance themselves out and get more creative.

Gonna be neat to see a matrix/comp. chart of the main roster to end of last seasons roster -- later in the month/August after the moves are rounding down.

I think there's this visceral reaction to "losing a player for nothing" and the media has jumped all over it. It's like even if you have to take back garbage from the Warriors, they would say it was better than getting nothing for PG. But the one thing I've learned is how little nuance is used in the media. Their lack of understanding about the 2nd apron and how punitive it is plays a part, their lack of watching PG in the playoffs and the things he says in general are on display here, and their lack of knowing the flexibility that has been created is for damn sure on display.

Right, they want us to be stuck with Wiggins and CP3 bloated contracts and going nowhere as a team as opposed to the flexibility and building a much better team like we're doing now. My other issue is that they can rip us to death, but ironically turn around and try to sell us on the greatness of Bron, Bronny Jr., JJ Redick, and the Lakers. No notable free agents are touching that toxic situation with a ten foot pole. Klay Thompson who's father is a Lakers legend wanted nothing to do with them and took less money to join the Mavs. But keep sh*tting on the Clipps, but won't state the obvious about the other team across the hall. Its comical.

[MartinToVaught]

it appears to be the FO is trying to position max flexibility for the summer of 2026. We will only have $61M committed to Kawhi and DJJ.

Potential 2026 free agents are SGA, Luka, Trea, Brunson and Embiid. you also have a 2nd tier group of Mikal Bridges, Bradley Beal, Kevin Durant, Rudy Gobert, Irving, Ayton, Porzingis, Jaren Jackson Jr. etc....

Sounds like they've learned absolutely nothing at all from the 213 failure. We will never win anything as long as our only plan is trying to buy titles with stars who are about to enter their decline years. It's failed the majority of the times it's been tried.

[KL2]

Should we start a summer league thread ?

Read on Twitter

Elijah Harkless

[og15]

The second apron is making things quite interesting, and the one area that probably needs to be addressed (though maybe the owners don't want to) is the penalty for drafting too many good players. Maybe some exemption to second apron for one of your drafted stars or something.

If you draft multiple stars, the second apron means that you don't get to have them together in their prime because it will be too expensive.

No team is going to have three max guys they drafted on their third contracts (usually when players are in there prime) together because if you had them on their first max contract together you'll be well past two second apron years unless you're just signing all minimum guys.

So you will be forced to trade someone, and not simply because of having to pay luxury tax, but because of severe flexibility handicap if you draft too many future max level players in close succession.

I understand the second apron is about the less rich owners (most of the owners) giving themself protections, and it is obviously owner driven and not player driven as it doesn't benefit the players.

The owner who wants to pay as little luxury tax as possible (understandable for some) now has a better out as opposed to people just saying "too cheap to pay luxury tax". Now they can simply say, "look at all the restrictions we would be held to if our salaries are so high", and they would be right, but it helps them escape criticism about cheapness.