The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2

RaisingArizona · Post #1021 » by **RaisingArizona** » Wed Jul 3, 2024 3:30 pm

Even Chowder was making shots in his practice session videos. Doesnt mean anything. Prove us wrong, Dunn.

Crives · Post #1022 » by **Crives** » Wed Jul 3, 2024 4:16 pm

Lee is back.. hope he’s 100% healthy

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BobbieL · Post #1023 » by **BobbieL** » Wed Jul 3, 2024 4:17 pm

Crives wrote:Lee is back.. hope he’s 100% healthy

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Yes, if healthy, can replace some of the shooting with Gordon gone

So one more spot - Okogie or ................ tbd

Crives · Post #1024 » by **Crives** » Wed Jul 3, 2024 5:32 pm

I wonder if we consider send out Okogie in a S&T, we do have his early bird

BobbieL · Post #1025 » by **BobbieL** » Wed Jul 3, 2024 5:43 pm

Crives wrote:I wonder if we consider send out Okogie in a S&T, we do have his early bird

I don't think they have them yet. One more year

They can offer him up to 175% of last years salary - so I think that puts him in the 4.7-5m range
I was thinking the same thinking - could they pay him the higher number and trade him in an S&T-- my guess, probably not.

Crives · Post #1026 » by **Crives** » Wed Jul 3, 2024 5:49 pm

BobbieL wrote:
Crives wrote:I wonder if we consider send out Okogie in a S&T, we do have his early bird

I don't think they have them yet. One more year

They can offer him up to 175% of last years salary - so I think that puts him in the 4.7-5m range
I was thinking the same thinking - could they pay him the higher number and trade him in an S&T-- my guess, probably not.

Early bird is after 2 years. We can sign him up to league avg contract somewhere around 10m. (1 more year to get his full bird rights).

Fo-Real · Post #1027 » by **Fo-Real** » Wed Jul 3, 2024 5:59 pm

PJ Tucker is gonna find a way to shake loose.

Revived · Post #1028 » by **Revived** » Wed Jul 3, 2024 6:07 pm

Suns need another C that has some weight and size.

Right now, one injury to Nurkic or Plumlee and the Suns have no backup C except for a 215 lb skinny kid.

Slim Charless · Post #1029 » by **Slim Charless** » Wed Jul 3, 2024 6:31 pm

Revived wrote:Suns need another C that has some weight and size.

Right now, one injury to Nurkic or Plumlee and the Suns have no backup C except for a 215 lb skinny kid.

So you wanna carry 4 centers? In a league that is slowly phasing them out? Idk, I'd rather get a true PG. Give me Fultz at the top of the list, especially if they can talk Beal into coming off the bench. Then a developmental point to put behind.

BobbieL · Post #1030 » by **BobbieL** » Wed Jul 3, 2024 6:31 pm

Crives wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
Crives wrote:I wonder if we consider send out Okogie in a S&T, we do have his early bird

I don't think they have them yet. One more year

They can offer him up to 175% of last years salary - so I think that puts him in the 4.7-5m range
I was thinking the same thinking - could they pay him the higher number and trade him in an S&T-- my guess, probably not.

Early bird is after 2 years. We can sign him up to league avg contract somewhere around 10m. (1 more year to get his full bird rights).

Any my guess, can sign him but have to wait until 12/15 or 1/15/2025 to be able to trade him?

thanks for the correction on the league average - I read the 175%

Crives · Post #1031 » by **Crives** » Wed Jul 3, 2024 6:33 pm

Slim Charless wrote:
Revived wrote:Suns need another C that has some weight and size.

Right now, one injury to Nurkic or Plumlee and the Suns have no backup C except for a 215 lb skinny kid.

So you wanna carry 4 centers? In a league that is slowly phasing them out? Idk, I'd rather get a true PG. Give me Fultz at the top of the list, especially if they can talk Beal into coming off the bench. Then a developmental point to put behind.

We need a 2 way center

thamadkant · Post #1032 » by **thamadkant** » Wed Jul 3, 2024 6:55 pm

Slim Charless wrote:
Revived wrote:Suns need another C that has some weight and size.

Right now, one injury to Nurkic or Plumlee and the Suns have no backup C except for a 215 lb skinny kid.

So you wanna carry 4 centers? In a league that is slowly phasing them out? Idk, I'd rather get a true PG. Give me Fultz at the top of the list, especially if they can talk Beal into coming off the bench. Then a developmental point to put behind.

Since when are centers being phased out?
4 of the top 10 players are 6'11 and plays center in one form or another. Giannis, Davis, Embiid and World's Best Player Jokic.

And Wembanyama about to put up Wilt Chamberlain stats in the modern era.

What you mean to say is.... stiffs, unskilled centers or bigs are being phased out.

It's always been the case. Back in the 90s most of the playoff teams had an elite defensive center or 2 way All Star Center.

KdoubleDees23 · Post #1033 » by **KdoubleDees23** » Wed Jul 3, 2024 6:58 pm

Beal to Lakers for

Russell, Rui, Wood, and 2 first round picks

thamadkant · Post #1034 » by **thamadkant** » Wed Jul 3, 2024 7:00 pm

Bol Bol is waste of spot if he's not going to improve and actually play minutes.

The guy is 7'2, has skills but skinny as heck.
Also low IQ.

Now, if he just adds mass, mainly legs and also watch more tapes and get someone to coach him. He can be a stretch 5 like a Porzingis or a skinny Lopez. Perfect for Bud's system. But the guy thinks he's a wing. Someone get him a big man coach and force him to put up lower body weight and he'd have a long NBA career.

thamadkant · Post #1035 » by **thamadkant** » Wed Jul 3, 2024 7:02 pm

KdoubleDees23 wrote:Beal to Lakers for

Russell, Rui, Wood, and 2 first round picks

Why would Suns help Lakers get a player that fits their need?

Like it or not, Beal had a decent season for Suns. His biggest knock is injuries... and that he is being forced to play PG because Booker plays his spot.

BobbieL · Post #1036 » by **BobbieL** » Wed Jul 3, 2024 7:07 pm

thamadkant wrote:
KdoubleDees23 wrote:Beal to Lakers for

Russell, Rui, Wood, and 2 first round picks

Why would Suns help Lakers get a player that fits their need?

Like it or not, Beal had a decent season for Suns. His biggest knock is injuries... and that he is being forced to play PG because Booker plays his spot.

Which is why I want Beal to come off bench, sign another PG.... Beal and Book play the same spot - thats not good.

Granted if the Lakers did that deal - I wouldn't hate it - even without the draft picks

starbosa10 · Post #1037 » by **starbosa10** » Wed Jul 3, 2024 7:08 pm

thamadkant wrote:Bol Bol is waste of spot if he's not going to improve and actually play minutes.

The guy is 7'2, has skills but skinny as heck.
Also low IQ.

Now, if he just adds mass, mainly legs and also watch more tapes and get someone to coach him. He can be a stretch 5 like a Porzingis or a skinny Lopez. Perfect for Bud's system. But the guy thinks he's a wing. Someone get him a big man coach and force him to put up lower body weight and he'd have a long NBA career.

I think Bud will get alot more out of Bol than Vogel did

Frank Lee · Post #1038 » by **Frank Lee** » Wed Jul 3, 2024 7:13 pm

Beal is our starting PG. period. Anything else and its an admission of error by the smartest man in the front office… who happens to be all-in- Wishbia.

Just live with it for a few months… big decisions will come in december

BobbieL · Post #1039 » by **BobbieL** » Wed Jul 3, 2024 7:16 pm

Frank Lee wrote:Beal is our starting PG. period. Anything else and its an admission of error by the smartest man in the front office… who happens to be all-in- Wishbia.

Just live with it for a few months… big decisions will come in december

I think you mean at the trade deadline in February

Slim Charless · Post #1040 » by **Slim Charless** » Wed Jul 3, 2024 7:21 pm

thamadkant wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
Revived wrote:Suns need another C that has some weight and size.

Right now, one injury to Nurkic or Plumlee and the Suns have no backup C except for a 215 lb skinny kid.

So you wanna carry 4 centers? In a league that is slowly phasing them out? Idk, I'd rather get a true PG. Give me Fultz at the top of the list, especially if they can talk Beal into coming off the bench. Then a developmental point to put behind.

Since when are centers being phased out?
4 of the top 10 players are 6'11 and plays center in one form or another. Giannis, Davis, Embiid and World's Best Player Jokic.

And Wembanyama about to put up Wilt Chamberlain stats in the modern era.

What you mean to say is.... stiffs, unskilled centers or bigs are being phased out.

It's always been the case. Back in the 90s most of the playoff teams had an elite defensive center or 2 way All Star Center.

Well if we can land Embiid, Joker or Wemby sign me up. I wasn't aware that they were otw to the Valley. If not, then color me unimpressed.

Point guard is available at a higher quality level than center. Right now, at least.

Assuming this is the last major addition, are you more excited than you were last offseason?