The PJ Dozier Thread

[BlacJacMac]

Just gonna say it. If RD flops this year you guys are change your tune on TC real quick.

I get he didn't make the moves you wanted (the 2 moves you guaranteed he'd make), but man, you are just spiraling...

Lol. Not gonna pretend I am not pissed. Not gonna pretend I expected any of TC’s moves this offseason. Spiraling is a bit much.

It feels like you're waiting for the moves to fail so you can "tell us so"...

[younggunsmn]

This has got to be a camp deal (unguaranteed).

[BlacJacMac]

Read on Twitter

This is a super interesting read.

[winforlose]

I get he didn't make the moves you wanted (the 2 moves you guaranteed he'd make), but man, you are just spiraling...

Lol. Not gonna pretend I am not pissed. Not gonna pretend I expected any of TC’s moves this offseason. Spiraling is a bit much.

It feels like you're waiting for the moves to fail so you can "tell us so"...

I have been watching this team for over 25 year. You really think I would root against them just for the satisfaction of missing another chance at chip when we are true contenders? Dude you don’t know me very well.

[BlacJacMac]

Lol. Not gonna pretend I am not pissed. Not gonna pretend I expected any of TC’s moves this offseason. Spiraling is a bit much.

It feels like you're waiting for the moves to fail so you can "tell us so"...

I have been watching this team for over 25 year. You really think I would root against them just for the satisfaction of missing another chance at chip when we are true contenders? Dude you don’t know me very well.

You're already prepping for it. You've done a complete 180 on TC since the season ended. And you're looking at every move he makes through "that's not what I would've done" glasses.

Just gonna say it. If RD flops this year you guys are change your tune on TC real quick.

[BlacJacMac]

Read on Twitter

This is a super interesting read.

From 2019. Probably full of hyperbole and written through homer glasses. And he's not 22 anymore. But maybe there is something there?

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While he’s technically in the same position that he was during the prior season, Dozier has looked like a different player with the Maine Red Claws than with the OKC Blue. That fact is evident by how he’s averaging 21.3 points, 7 rebounds, 6.6 assists and 1.3 steals on 46% from the field and 32% from beyond the arc on 5.3 attempts per game. With Maine, he’s currently averaging a career-high in points, rebounds and assists per game.

Among the categories where he’s made strides, Dozier’s progression as a passer is definitely the most glaring. While he showed flashes of having solid passing skills during his time at South Carolina and with the OKC Blue, those traits have taken a huge spotlight since he’s joined the Red Claws. His potential as a lead distributor was seen from the start of the season as he averaged 5.6 assists per game in November. During that month, he had some big facilitating games as he had 9 assists in a November 4th game against the Blue Coats and 11 assists on November 29th against the Windy City Bulls.

While those two games were two examples of his potential as a distributor, his role within that role would grow significantly after the Celtics released point guard Walt Lemon from his two-way deal. Immediately after Lemon left the team, Maine immediately transitioned Dozier from playing SG/SF to being the team’s starting point guard. That transition immediately vaulted Dozier into being one of the league’s better facilitators as he’s averaging a very nice 6.9 assists per game with a 1.9 Ast/TO ratio since he made his first start at point guard on December 31st.

Aside from those base stats, Dozier’s solid work as a distributor is evident when you watch him actually play as he’s solid in every different aspect of being a facilitator: drive-and-dish, transition, working pick-and-roll with the screener and simply being unselfish and finding dishing it off to open shooters while standing on the perimeter.

Among all of those different ways to facilitate, he does the most damage in the drive-and-dish due to regularly using off-ball screens or hesitation dribbles to get around perimeter defenders. Once he has that open passing lane, the Celtics two-way player can do damage while moving by tossing alley-oop lobs to bigs or passes to players on the perimeter.

While most facilitators that are skilled in this aspect throws simple chest passes to teammates stationed on the three-point line, Dozier is different in that he likes to combine those traditional feeds with throwing wicked bounce passes to shooters that are positioned on either the corner or wing.

By progressing as a facilitator and transitioning into his current role as a 6’6 point guard, Dozier has improved his status as a player for 2018-19 and beyond. Before this year, he was regarded as an athletic wing with a strong frame that can play solid defense, drive to the paint and make the occasional highlight slam. While those traits are still in his arsenal, and have helped him average 21 points per game, his progression as a distributor has allowed him to become one of the best point guards in the G League.

Alongside with helping him become an elite minor league guard, his growth as a passer should give him more opportunities in the NBA that go beyond a two-way deal. Aside from an inconsistent perimeter jumper, Dozier has both the frame and skills that NBA teams currently look for as he’s an athletic 6’6 point guard with a 6’11 wingspan that can play solid defense and also drive to the paint. His development during this season combined with howhe won’t turn 23 until October should mean that Dozier has more time to grow as a player over the next few seasons.

[Note30]

Just gonna say it. If RD flops this year you guys are change your tune on TC real quick.

I get he didn't make the moves you wanted (the 2 moves you guaranteed he'd make), but man, you are just spiraling...

Lol. Not gonna pretend I am not pissed. Not gonna pretend I expected any of TC’s moves this offseason. Spiraling is a bit much.

Well at least you aren't alone.

[winforlose]

It feels like you're waiting for the moves to fail so you can "tell us so"...

I have been watching this team for over 25 year. You really think I would root against them just for the satisfaction of missing another chance at chip when we are true contenders? Dude you don’t know me very well.

You're already prepping for it. You've done a complete 180 on TC since the season ended. And you're looking at every move he makes through "that's not what I would've done" glasses.

Just gonna say it. If RD flops this year you guys are change your tune on TC real quick.

I am not denying my opinion of TC is in the toilet. He sold the 37 to resolve his series of mistakes regarding Moore (drafting him, picking up his option, not dumping him last trade deadline with cash so we don’t risk being in the luxury tax a year early.) He turned a decent asset into a smaller less useful asset just to create a roster spot for Dozier. He let go of both JMAC and Morris, both of whom could stabilize things if RD is not ready. He bet both our remaining assets on RD which is fine if it works, but a disaster if it fails, and then pulled the safety net out from under him. Put simply should I have a good opinion of moves I believe are bad? Am I wrong that if we waste such a key year he will be on the hot seat and people will be pissed at him? I want us to succeed, but I fear he made a lot of bad bets this week.

[Note30]

I have been watching this team for over 25 year. You really think I would root against them just for the satisfaction of missing another chance at chip when we are true contenders? Dude you don’t know me very well.

You're already prepping for it. You've done a complete 180 on TC since the season ended. And you're looking at every move he makes through "that's not what I would've done" glasses.

Just gonna say it. If RD flops this year you guys are change your tune on TC real quick.

I am not denying my opinion of TC is in the toilet. He sold the 37 to resolve his series of mistakes regarding Moore (drafting him, picking up his option, not dumping him last trade deadline with cash so we don’t risk being in the luxury tax a year early.) He turned a decent asset into a smaller less useful asset just to create a roster spot for Dozier. He let go of both JMAC and Morris, both of whom could stabilize things if RD is not ready. He bet both our remaining assets on RD which is fine if it works, but a disaster if it fails, and then pulled the safety net out from under him. Put simply should I have a good opinion of moves I believe are bad? Am I wrong that if we waste such a key year he will be on the hot seat and people will be pissed at him? I want us to succeed, but I fear he made a lot of bad bets this week.

This week?

[winforlose]

You're already prepping for it. You've done a complete 180 on TC since the season ended. And you're looking at every move he makes through "that's not what I would've done" glasses.

Just gonna say it. If RD flops this year you guys are change your tune on TC real quick.

I am not denying my opinion of TC is in the toilet. He sold the 37 to resolve his series of mistakes regarding Moore (drafting him, picking up his option, not dumping him last trade deadline with cash so we don’t risk being in the luxury tax a year early.) He turned a decent asset into a smaller less useful asset just to create a roster spot for Dozier. He let go of both JMAC and Morris, both of whom could stabilize things if RD is not ready. He bet both our remaining assets on RD which is fine if it works, but a disaster if it fails, and then pulled the safety net out from under him. Put simply should I have a good opinion of moves I believe are bad? Am I wrong that if we waste such a key year he will be on the hot seat and people will be pissed at him? I want us to succeed, but I fear he made a lot of bad bets this week.

This week?

Free agency. The RD move goes from intriguing to disgusting without a legit PG behind him if he is not ready. Then we start losing and everyone blames RD for it. TC turns a promising young kid into a potential Jarret Culver. He also is risking the success of one of our two 2nd apron years on that bet. So not only is jeopardizing the season, but sabotaging the rookie at the same time. I am pissed at TC, and if we somehow stay healthy and no harm is done to us, I will not be disappointed, I will be overjoyed. Because I want us to win, far far more than to say a meaningless I told you so on fan board full of people I wouldn’t recognize if I passed them on the street. Again I have waited for this for over 2 decades and all I ask is that they don’t **** it up the way it was ****d up in 04-05 and beyond.

[MN7725]

strange, when there are so many more proven players (albeit probably washed players) still not signed

always a couple decent players that miss out on money and take a 1yr contract and prefer being on a good team

[winforlose]

strange, when there are so many more proven players (albeit probably washed players) still not signed

always a couple decent players that miss out on money and take a 1yr contract and prefer being on a good team

Beasley, Beverly, JMAC, all still free agents.

[MN7725]

strange, when there are so many more proven players (albeit probably washed players) still not signed

always a couple decent players that miss out on money and take a 1yr contract and prefer being on a good team

Beasley, Beverly, JMAC, all still free agents.

yeah, I get that TC believes in Dozier obviously
but is some other team going to sweep in and sign him if you wait out to see how these FAs play out in the next couple weeks

would think this signing is available a week before camp starts, idk

[winforlose]

strange, when there are so many more proven players (albeit probably washed players) still not signed

always a couple decent players that miss out on money and take a 1yr contract and prefer being on a good team

Beasley, Beverly, JMAC, all still free agents.

yeah, I get that TC believes in Dozier obviously
but is some other team going to sweep in and sign him if you wait out to see how these FAs play out in the next couple weeks

would think this signing is available a week before camp starts, idk

When asked about giving a spot to Dozier, most GMs or POBOs, there answer is “who?” Or “isn’t he in China, or some other foreign country?” Then of course their is the other possibility of “hahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha.” TC wasn’t exactly battling with a gun near his head on that signing.

[BlacJacMac]

strange, when there are so many more proven players (albeit probably washed players) still not signed

always a couple decent players that miss out on money and take a 1yr contract and prefer being on a good team

Beasley, Beverly, JMAC, all still free agents.

Not at all interested in the first 2. The 3rd likely is trying to get a PG2 job somewhere for the minimum.

[moss_is_1]

Yea Monte was a mistake, I think Connely wanted to give him a try out but Finch wasn’t impressed and even NAW started over Monte when Conley was out in the playoffs. Wolves would have been better off keeping their 2030 srp

People are forgetting 2 things from Morris. He was hurt all year so out of shape, and then hurt his hand in the post season as well.

[Note30]

I am not denying my opinion of TC is in the toilet. He sold the 37 to resolve his series of mistakes regarding Moore (drafting him, picking up his option, not dumping him last trade deadline with cash so we don’t risk being in the luxury tax a year early.) He turned a decent asset into a smaller less useful asset just to create a roster spot for Dozier. He let go of both JMAC and Morris, both of whom could stabilize things if RD is not ready. He bet both our remaining assets on RD which is fine if it works, but a disaster if it fails, and then pulled the safety net out from under him. Put simply should I have a good opinion of moves I believe are bad? Am I wrong that if we waste such a key year he will be on the hot seat and people will be pissed at him? I want us to succeed, but I fear he made a lot of bad bets this week.

This week?

Free agency. The RD move goes from intriguing to disgusting without a legit PG behind him if he is not ready. Then we start losing and everyone blames RD for it. TC turns a promising young kid into a potential Jarret Culver. He also is risking the success of one of our two 2nd apron years on that bet. So not only is jeopardizing the season, but sabotaging the rookie at the same time. I am pissed at TC, and if we somehow stay healthy and no harm is done to us, I will not be disappointed, I will be overjoyed. Because I want us to win, far far more than to say a meaningless I told you so on fan board full of people I wouldn’t recognize if I passed them on the street. Again I have waited for this for over 2 decades and all I ask is that they don’t **** it up the way it was ****d up in 04-05 and beyond.

Sorry my intention was to say from the moment he was hired he's been **** things up, save the DLo trade.

I agree with your sentiment about winning over I told you so.

[MN7725]

strange, when there are so many more proven players (albeit probably washed players) still not signed

always a couple decent players that miss out on money and take a 1yr contract and prefer being on a good team

Beasley, Beverly, JMAC, all still free agents.

Not at all interested in the first 2. The 3rd likely is trying to get a PG2 job somewhere for the minimum.

but the point is there are going to be a lot of players forced to take minimum deals soon
pick any 10 names left that you like, 8 of them will be getting the minimum

[Shaka_Zulu]

Yeah I dont get this signing at all. Pj Dozier has been G league level player strictly since he fell off at Denver years ago.


Would preferred a legit 3rd PG over him.

[TimberKat]

strange, when there are so many more proven players (albeit probably washed players) still not signed

always a couple decent players that miss out on money and take a 1yr contract and prefer being on a good team

Beasley, Beverly, JMAC, all still free agents.

Not at all interested in the first 2. The 3rd likely is trying to get a PG2 job somewhere for the minimum.

Interested in Beasley but I don't think salary fits as he will get more than vet min. I am not counting on RD being ready this year as PG usually takes longer to develop. Is Dozier supposed to be a PG? Point Ant is not ready either. I do wish we have another veteran PG that could run the offense. I don't understand why Minott is still on the team if they signed Luka. Maybe they will move Minott and sign a PG?