2024 Free Agency

[younggunsmn]

17.2 MPG, 4.4/2.1/3. Is that level of production more valuable than just giving Miller some run or Minott? Yes he can pass and floor space, but can he defend? If that is what you’re getting for production, and he cannot defend, what the **** are we talking about here? I would expect more out of Luka Garza in those minutes. He may not be able to guard his mom, but he can least get buckets.

Don't get so hung up on raw numbers. Can Luka score more than he gives up? So far the answer is clearly "no". So where is the value?

Ingles' teams are WAY better on offense when he plays than when he sits. That's all that matters. His teams score more points the the opponent when he plays.

Is he a great defender? Nope. But he's far from a disaster. And this team absolutely needs to get better on offense - even if we take a bit of a hit on defense. Ingles helps with that.

My guess is you'll be calling for Ingles to sit down a whole lot less than you did for Anderson last year.

The points per minute volume was low, but always has been with him.
But his efficiency was great, shooting was great, and about 6.5 assist per 36 minutes was great for a forward and perfect fit for replacing Kyle.
He also really helped Orlando turn things around last year to win 50 games after years of being terrible.
The guy is just a winner and does winning things on the court.

[BlacJacMac]

17.2 MPG, 4.4/2.1/3. Is that level of production more valuable than just giving Miller some run or Minott? Yes he can pass and floor space, but can he defend? If that is what you’re getting for production, and he cannot defend, what the **** are we talking about here? I would expect more out of Luka Garza in those minutes. He may not be able to guard his mom, but he can least get buckets.

Don't get so hung up on raw numbers. Can Luka score more than he gives up? So far the answer is clearly "no". So where is the value?

Ingles' teams are WAY better on offense when he plays than when he sits. That's all that matters. His teams score more points the the opponent when he plays.

Is he a great defender? Nope. But he's far from a disaster. And this team absolutely needs to get better on offense - even if we take a bit of a hit on defense. Ingles helps with that.

My guess is you'll be calling for Ingles to sit down a whole lot less than you did for Anderson last year.

The points per minute volume was low, but always has been with him.
But his efficiency was great, shooting was great, and about 6.5 assist per 36 minutes was great for a forward and perfect fit for replacing Kyle.
He also really helped Orlando turn things around last year to win 50 games after years of being terrible.
The guy is just a winner and does winning things on the court.

I'm sticking with my original take.

He's Kyle Anderson if you swap shooting for defense.

[Klomp]

I'm sticking with my original take.

He's Kyle Anderson if you swap shooting for defense.

And swap $3 million with $27 million

[winforlose]

17.2 MPG, 4.4/2.1/3. Is that level of production more valuable than just giving Miller some run or Minott? Yes he can pass and floor space, but can he defend? If that is what you’re getting for production, and he cannot defend, what the **** are we talking about here? I would expect more out of Luka Garza in those minutes. He may not be able to guard his mom, but he can least get buckets.

Don't get so hung up on raw numbers. Can Luka score more than he gives up? So far the answer is clearly "no". So where is the value?

Ingles' teams are WAY better on offense when he plays than when he sits. That's all that matters. His teams score more points the the opponent when he plays.

Is he a great defender? Nope. But he's far from a disaster. And this team absolutely needs to get better on offense - even if we take a bit of a hit on defense. Ingles helps with that.

My guess is you'll be calling for Ingles to sit down a whole lot less than you did for Anderson last year.

God I hope so. Those Kyle and Rudy lineups made my soul hurt.

[Klomp]

Much better than having Wendell Moore Jr on your bench in an emergency.
SInce we were always going to add a 3rd PG, and that's likely what we will fill our 14 and final spot with, in my eyes we had a roster spot for Ingles only because we used 37 to salary dump Wendell Moore Jr.

So we essentially traded 37+Moore for 53+Ingles.

I'm guessing he'll even slot in wearing Moore's 7 jersey (wore it in Milwaukee and Orlando, while 2 is unavailable)

[younggunsmn]

3rd string PG is the last spot to fill, and it's a super important spot with an aging starter and super green rookie backup.

I'd like to have Jmac back if he repeats his shooting from last year, he knows the system and he's solid.
Only thing that bugs me a bit about him is that he's also very injury prone.

Not a lot of other great options out there.
It might not be a bad idea to find a solid still youngish PG to fill that final 2-way as extra injury depth.

I know Finchy likes to play NAW there sometimes when he wants to go into super lockdown defense mode, but the results offensively are usually pretty terrible.

I have no idea who we go after. I liked Dunn or Wright because they give us a little more size and defense (and can stick a 3 ball), but we missed on both of them.

DSJ gives us that defense and size, but his offense is otherworldly bad.

I don't think PatBev fits the culture anymore.

Cam Payne?

https://hoopshype.com/lists/2024-nba-free-agent-rankings-top-point-guards-available-summer/

Who on that list is willing to sign for the minimum to be 3rd string on a contender?
Ish Smith?
Corey Joseph?

Do we take a flyer on trying to fix Killian Hayes shot?
I know he's been terrible, but he's still only 22 and takes care of the ball.

[Klomp]

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[Neeva]

Huh, Dozier? I don’t know about this one, I hope he has finally learned to shoot.

[Klomp]

Dozier is another long defender, something we lacked against Dallas

[Norseman79]

Scratch that

[younggunsmn]

Dozier has got to be a camp signing.
No way we guarantee him our 14th and likely final roster spot.

[younggunsmn]

crap they gave him a guaranteed contract (and thus a roster spot).

Are they going to pay the 10 million in luxury taxes that comes with filling the 15th roster spot or are we going with a 2 way for 3rd string PG?

Has anybody checked in on Jmac?

[shrink]

crap they gave him a guaranteed contract (and thus a roster spot).

Are they going to pay the 10 million in luxury taxes that comes with filling the 15th roster spot or are we going with a 2 way for 3rd string PG?

Has anybody checked in on Jmac?

Right! I’m very surprised that JMac wasn’t one of the three FA signings - Connelly and Finch must be all in on getting Dillingham PG minutes right away, but it feels dangerous to me to not have a vet PG on the roster in case Mike misses time.

Ingles makes sense, Luka maybe, but this must be some kind of upside play on Dozier. JMac might have been better insurance than any of them. I doubt they use slot 15, but maybe they’ll be forced.

So Jaylen Clark is on a two-way, and we get two more to name. It might take a little time, as the best players wait to see other teams start completing their roster with end of the bench guaranteed contracts.

[BlacJacMac]

crap they gave him a guaranteed contract (and thus a roster spot).

Are they going to pay the 10 million in luxury taxes that comes with filling the 15th roster spot or are we going with a 2 way for 3rd string PG?

Has anybody checked in on Jmac?

Right! I’m very surprised that JMac wasn’t one of the three FA signings - Connelly and Finch must be all in on getting Dillingham PG minutes right away, but it feels dangerous to me to not have a vet PG on the roster in case Mike misses time.

Ingles makes sense, Luka maybe, but this must be some kind of upside play on Dozier. JMac might have been better insurance than any of them. I doubt they use slot 15, but maybe they’ll be forced.

So Jaylen Clark is on a two-way, and we get two more to name. It might take a little time, as the best players wait to see other teams start completing their roster with end of the bench guaranteed contracts.

We can name one of them "Jesse Edwards".

[Note30]

17.2 MPG, 4.4/2.1/3. Is that level of production more valuable than just giving Miller some run or Minott? Yes he can pass and floor space, but can he defend? If that is what you’re getting for production, and he cannot defend, what the **** are we talking about here? I would expect more out of Luka Garza in those minutes. He may not be able to guard his mom, but he can least get buckets.

Don't get so hung up on raw numbers. Can Luka score more than he gives up? So far the answer is clearly "no". So where is the value?

Ingles' teams are WAY better on offense when he plays than when he sits. That's all that matters. His teams score more points the the opponent when he plays.

Is he a great defender? Nope. But he's far from a disaster. And this team absolutely needs to get better on offense - even if we take a bit of a hit on defense. Ingles helps with that.

My guess is you'll be calling for Ingles to sit down a whole lot less than you did for Anderson last year.

The points per minute volume was low, but always has been with him.
But his efficiency was great, shooting was great, and about 6.5 assist per 36 minutes was great for a forward and perfect fit for replacing Kyle.
He also really helped Orlando turn things around last year to win 50 games after years of being terrible.
The guy is just a winner and does winning things on the court.

That's why he has so many rings. Wait a second.

[MN7725]

Shake Milton?

i remember people being somewhat excited when he signed last year
just couldn't hit any shots, but he has enough of a track record to bet on coming back to form

never thought of him as a "PG" though

[TimberKat]

Shake Milton?

i remember people being somewhat excited when he signed last year
just couldn't hit any shots, but he has enough of a track record to bet on coming back to form

never thought of him as a "PG" though

No, it was Melton that I was excited about and we got the wrong guy

[younggunsmn]

Don't get so hung up on raw numbers. Can Luka score more than he gives up? So far the answer is clearly "no". So where is the value?

Ingles' teams are WAY better on offense when he plays than when he sits. That's all that matters. His teams score more points the the opponent when he plays.

Is he a great defender? Nope. But he's far from a disaster. And this team absolutely needs to get better on offense - even if we take a bit of a hit on defense. Ingles helps with that.

My guess is you'll be calling for Ingles to sit down a whole lot less than you did for Anderson last year.

The points per minute volume was low, but always has been with him.
But his efficiency was great, shooting was great, and about 6.5 assist per 36 minutes was great for a forward and perfect fit for replacing Kyle.
He also really helped Orlando turn things around last year to win 50 games after years of being terrible.
The guy is just a winner and does winning things on the court.

That's why he has so many rings. Wait a second.

I mean he's made the playoffs 8 straight years including a few 50 win seasons.
But if that's your definition you probably think every woman who didn't win Miss America is ugly too.

Nope. Would not bang. Zero tiaras.

[younggunsmn]

I love the Ingles signing and taking a gamble on Dillingham could really raise our ceiling and give Ant a really dangerous backcourt partner for years to come. Even believing in Luka and giving him a 2 year deal is a win for me.

If he just could have closed the deal and signed a halfways competent 3rd string PG I would be ready to give him an A for the offseason.

[minimus]

Conley
Dillingham
NAW
ANT
Shannon
McDaniels
Minott
Towns
Reid
Ingles
Miller
Gobert
Garza

+ Edwards (2w)
+ Clarke (2w)

So we have 13 players under standard NBA contracts and two two-way. We must sign one standard contract to have minimum required 14 players. Maybe it can be a guy rehabbing after injury like Saddiq Bey, maybe McLaughlin will return. As for third two-way option I like LeDee as physical PF behind Towns, Reid and Miller.