Miami Heat Offseason Thread Vol. 4: Fraudfather Snoozin 2.0

[contract]

My memory is the guarantee is around $9m.

If that's the case then I would assume he'd opt out unless he get injured.

It's not a player option.
It's a way for us to waive him and spread the $9 over three years. It's good for the team, not the player.
He has no say in the matter. If the contract looks good next year due to rising cap, he will have more value which is ofc a good thing.

My understanding is that Duncan has an (ETO) early termination option. I'm not sure about that though.

[contract]

If that's the case then I would assume he'd opt out unless he get injured.

It's not a player option.
It's a way for us to waive him and spread the $9 over three years. It's good for the team, not the player.
He has no say in the matter. If the contract looks good next year due to rising cap, he will have more value which is ofc a good thing.

My understanding is that Duncan has an (ETO) early termination option. I'm not sure about that though.

Here are two sources with the details. If that's accurate I would expect Duncan to opt out (absent injury), and we would owe him nothing for that last season.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/27658/duncan-robinson

https://fanspo.com/nba/players/duncan-robinson/1629130/contract

[Wiltside]

I think Lenny is right. It’s a team decision, not Duncan’s, and it’s possible we just waive him. He gets $9m and is a cap hit from us for that amount, but becomes a free agent to sign another deal with another team. We open up a roster spot and don’t have to pay his full $19m or whatever that final year is.

[twix2500]

I think I have said this before the trade deadline. If Heat want Derozan do a three team trade with Hornets and Bulls.


PG: Rozier - Richardson - Pullin
SG: Butler - Larsson
SF: D. Robinson - Derozan - Burke
PF: Jovic - Jaquez - Johnson
Ce: Adebayo - Love - Ware - Bryant

Charlotte
PG: Ball
SG: Herro
SF: Miller
PF: Salaun
Ce: Williams

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[Beenie]

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I think most people never bought into the idea of Derozan to Mia but that’s besides the point.

I’d like to know why exactly is it not happening which is what the person was asking.

The reasons matter to establish a context to understand how teams operate in a hyper competitive arms race that is the modern NBA offseason.

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I think most people never bought into the idea of Derozan to Mia but that’s besides the point.

I’d like to know why exactly is it not happening which is what the person was asking.

The reasons matter to establish a context to understand how teams operate in a hyper competitive arms race that is the modern NBA offseason.

Probably Heat only want him if bought out

[contract]

I think Lenny is right. It’s a team decision, not Duncan’s, and it’s possible we just waive him. He gets $9m and is a cap hit from us for that amount, but becomes a free agent to sign another deal with another team. We open up a roster spot and don’t have to pay his full $19m or whatever that final year is.

I think it's Duncan's option, because teams always have the option to terminate a contract and pay whatever is owed ... in this case the partial guarantee.

Early-Termination option

An early-termination option is basically the same as a player option, except that when it’s exercised, the player becomes a free agent. There aren’t many early-termination options these days.

https://www.nba.com/news/2024-free-agency-options-and-qualifying-offers

Basically the difference between an ETO and a player option is what happens in the absence of action.

Player option: If the player fails to opt in, the contract terminates.

Early termination option: If the player fails to opt out, the remaining year is in effect.

[Beenie]

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I think most people never bought into the idea of Derozan to Mia but that’s besides the point.

I’d like to know why exactly is it not happening which is what the person was asking.

The reasons matter to establish a context to understand how teams operate in a hyper competitive arms race that is the modern NBA offseason.

Probably Heat only want him if bought out

He’s a free agent. No need to be bought out

[Lennyzinho]

I think Lenny is right. It’s a team decision, not Duncan’s, and it’s possible we just waive him. He gets $9m and is a cap hit from us for that amount, but becomes a free agent to sign another deal with another team. We open up a roster spot and don’t have to pay his full $19m or whatever that final year is.

I think it's Duncan's option, because teams always have the option to terminate a contract and pay whatever is owed ... in this case the partial guarantee.

Early-Termination option

An early-termination option is basically the same as a player option, except that when it’s exercised, the player becomes a free agent. There aren’t many early-termination options these days.

https://www.nba.com/news/2024-free-agency-options-and-qualifying-offers

Basically the difference between an ETO and a player option is what happens in the absence of action.

Player option: If the player fails to opt in, the contract terminates.

Early termination option: If the player fails to opt out, the remaining year is in effect.

My guy. Trust me. 100%.

The nba is saying what I am, just in a weird way.

He means if the team exercises it, the player is a FA.

There are three scenarios.

1) not exercised and he just plays out last year for 18m (either for us or another team if we trade him)
2) exercised and Duncan gets 9M and is a FA and heat have a 9 cap hit
3) same as 2 but we spread the 9M hit over 3 years and take 3 small $3M hits.

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[ZoStrong]

I think most people never bought into the idea of Derozan to Mia but that’s besides the point.

I’d like to know why exactly is it not happening which is what the person was asking.

The reasons matter to establish a context to understand how teams operate in a hyper competitive arms race that is the modern NBA offseason.

Probably Heat only want him if bought out

He’s a free agent. No need to be bought out

Oh, he is? Sorry I didn't care to look. Cuz we don't have room to outright sign him. It has to be a sign n trade n I don't feel like he moves a needle enough to give up assets for.

[MettaWorldPanda]

How crazy would it be if Herro goes to San Antonio and ends up winning multiple championships because of Wemby? I think Trae and/or Herro would work well with San Antonio since Wemby will cover up a lot of their issues on defense.

I doubt Herro ends up with the Spurs. They are invested in Devin Vassell.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Give up the S&T talks. We are well into the first apron. It’s not realistic. Come back after we dump a contract

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Heat Twitter is no different than Heat Facebook these days. The amount of low info fans who peddle in non sense is reaching peak levels. No matter how many times you try and discuss the ramifications of the aprons, lack of draft capital, or lack of understanding how they just can’t trade Herro who’s making 30 million a year for 3 more years and who they chit on at every turn but expect other teams to not have video or internet to just welcome him in a trade for their favorite superstar is beyond belief at this point.

[Rapaz]

The CBA defines ETO as an option in favor of the player (not the team). It is Plumpkin's option to exercise.



https://imgix.cosmicjs.com/25da5eb0-15eb-11ee-b5b3-fbd321202bdf-Final-2023-NBA-Collective-Bargaining-Agreement-6-28-23.pdf


From Spotrac:

As a point of order, a player or team option isn’t really declined. It’s simply not exercised. A player must exercise, or opt in, to his option year, while a team must take the same action when they have control. The lone exception here is an Early Termination Option. For an ETO, a player must decline or opt out. No action would result in that player staying under contract.

https://www.spotrac.com/news/_/id/1919/projecting-2023-nba-player-and-team-options

[MettaWorldPanda]

The CBA defines ETO as an option in favor of the player (not the team). It is Plumpkin's option to exercise.



https://imgix.cosmicjs.com/25da5eb0-15eb-11ee-b5b3-fbd321202bdf-Final-2023-NBA-Collective-Bargaining-Agreement-6-28-23.pdf


From Spotrac:

As a point of order, a player or team option isn’t really declined. It’s simply not exercised. A player must exercise, or opt in, to his option year, while a team must take the same action when they have control. The lone exception here is an Early Termination Option. For an ETO, a player must decline or opt out. No action would result in that player staying under contract.

https://www.spotrac.com/news/_/id/1919/projecting-2023-nba-player-and-team-options

Yup it’s up to Duncan if he wants the ETO. What an awful contract. He can take his 9.8 guaranteed then hit the open market. We are left with a 3 million dollar parting gift for the next three years if we stretch him. Trade him now!!!

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Heat Twitter is no different than Heat Facebook these days. The amount of low info fans who peddle in non sense is reaching peak levels. No matter how many times you try and discuss the ramifications of the aprons, lack of draft capital, or lack of understanding how they just can’t trade Herro who’s making 30 million a year for 3 more years and who they chit on at every turn but expect other teams to not have video or internet to just welcome him in a trade for their favorite superstar is beyond belief at this point.

Social media grabs the attention of all the casual fans.

I watched one Tik Tok where a Heat fan was dressed in all his gear with his room draped in Heat merch. Was rocking back and forth in his gaming chair and screamed in disgust when he heard Wares name announced. "Who TF is this guy! Never heard of him! I wanted Bronny James!"

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[Beenie]

Probably Heat only want him if bought out

He’s a free agent. No need to be bought out

Oh, he is? Sorry I didn't care to look. Cuz we don't have room to outright sign him. It has to be a sign n trade n I don't feel like he moves a needle enough to give up assets for.

What does Mia think though is what I’d like to know and what types of sign n trade scenarios have they considered if any?

And is it more of the case of Mia not having the interest to execute or is it the case that Chicago lacks interest?