With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo

[douggood]

Interesting that we didn't sign him to 4 years like I was expecting.

yeah i dont get it either
its usually a 2 guaranteed years, partial guarantee on 3rd and team option on 4th.

last year
#31 draft and stash
#32 Four-year, $8,227,882 contract. First three years guaranteed. Fourth-year team option.
#33 Four-year, $8,319,739 contract. First two years guaranteed. Third year partially guaranteed. Fourth-year team option.
#34 Four-year, $8,768,279 contract. First two years guaranteed. Fourth-year team option. Includes likely incentives.
#35 Four-year, $8,119,739 contract. First three years guaranteed. Fourth-year team option.
#36 Four-year, minimum-salary contract. First year guaranteed. Second year partially guaranteed. Fourth-year team option.
#37 Four-year, minimum-salary contract. First three years guaranteed. Fourth-year team option.
#38 Four-year, minimum-salary contract. First two years guaranteed. Third year partially guaranteed. Fourth-year team option.
#39 Four-year, minimum-salary contract. First two years guaranteed. Fourth-year team option.
#40 Four-year, minimum-salary contract. First two years guaranteed. Third year partially guaranteed. Fourth-year team option.


https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/07/2023-nba-draft-pick-signings.html

[alpngso]

Interesting that we didn't sign him to 4 years like I was expecting.

yeah i dont get it either
its usually a 2 guaranteed years, partial guarantee on 3rd and team option on 4th.

last year
#31 draft and stash
#32 Four-year, $8,227,882 contract. First three years guaranteed. Fourth-year team option.
#33 Four-year, $8,319,739 contract. First two years guaranteed. Third year partially guaranteed. Fourth-year team option.
#34 Four-year, $8,768,279 contract. First two years guaranteed. Fourth-year team option. Includes likely incentives.
#35 Four-year, $8,119,739 contract. First three years guaranteed. Fourth-year team option.
#36 Four-year, minimum-salary contract. First year guaranteed. Second year partially guaranteed. Fourth-year team option.
#37 Four-year, minimum-salary contract. First three years guaranteed. Fourth-year team option.
#38 Four-year, minimum-salary contract. First two years guaranteed. Third year partially guaranteed. Fourth-year team option.
#39 Four-year, minimum-salary contract. First two years guaranteed. Fourth-year team option.
#40 Four-year, minimum-salary contract. First two years guaranteed. Third year partially guaranteed. Fourth-year team option.


https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/07/2023-nba-draft-pick-signings.html

It’s case of Masai and Toronto FO giving player friendly deal rather than team friendly deal

If Mogbo hits, he secures the bag earlier than most other rookies

[Dalek]

less bag than Bronny?

Bronny signed the second biggest 2nd round deal in NBA history.

Last year 34th overall pick Colby Jones got the most ever (8.8M)

Mogbo is making more than Bronny per year plus Toronto has one year of less control because it is only a three year deal. I wonder what Shead gets?

[ArthurVandelay]

Someone correct me if I’m wrong…

If a team gives the 4 year contract to a second round pick, and the 4th year is picked up, doesn’t that make the player an unrestricted free agent?

If they don’t pick up the 4th year or it is just a 3 year deal, aren’t they then a restricted free agent?

[PushDaRock]

Someone correct me if I’m wrong…

If a team gives the 4 year contract to a second round pick, and the 4th year is picked up, doesn’t that make the player an unrestricted free agent?

If they don’t pick up the 4th year or it is just a 3 year deal, aren’t they then a restricted free agent?

Yes, but if teams end up doing renegotiate and extend which seems to be the trend, then having that RFA status doesn't matter too much.

Someone like Herbert Jones did extremely well. He had his third year option declined at 1.8m and made 12m instead this year on his new extension.

Nembhard will likely do this as well and he is on a 4 year deal so wouldn't be an RFA next off season.

[Tor_Raps]

Someone correct me if I’m wrong…

If a team gives the 4 year contract to a second round pick, and the 4th year is picked up, doesn’t that make the player an unrestricted free agent?

If they don’t pick up the 4th year or it is just a 3 year deal, aren’t they then a restricted free agent?

Yes that's my understanding as well. It's why all teams would typically decline the 4th year to let the player hit free agency so you can control his rights via RFA.

[SharoneWright]

less bag than Bronny?

Bronny signed the second biggest 2nd round deal in NBA history.

Last year 34th overall pick Colby Jones got the most ever (8.8M)

Mogbo is making more than Bronny per year plus Toronto has one year of less control because it is only a three year deal. I wonder what Shead gets?

“One of the other general managers told me — he said, ‘Bobby, the good thing is there’s no emotion attached to draft picks,’” Webster said.

Bobby replied, "Hold my beer".

[GP2]

What prevents teams from offering the bare minimum 4-year deal? Is it purely an optics thing? Because you have their rights, can't you technically hold them hostage? I know that's not the best way to start a working relationship and possibly penny pinching, but the player doesn't exactly have an option?

[Quattro]

What prevents teams from offering the bare minimum 4-year deal? Is it purely an optics thing? Because you have their rights, can't you technically hold them hostage? I know that's not the best way to start a working relationship and possibly penny pinching, but the player doesn't exactly have an option?

Is that the kind of rep you want your team to foster...particularly when they've historically had trouble attracting/ retaining talent?

[Fairview4Life]

What prevents teams from offering the bare minimum 4-year deal? Is it purely an optics thing? Because you have their rights, can't you technically hold them hostage? I know that's not the best way to start a working relationship and possibly penny pinching, but the player doesn't exactly have an option?

I think if they wait and don't sign their rookie deal for a year they become a free agent. They have to be offered that deal and refuse it though.

[GP2]

What prevents teams from offering the bare minimum 4-year deal? Is it purely an optics thing? Because you have their rights, can't you technically hold them hostage? I know that's not the best way to start a working relationship and possibly penny pinching, but the player doesn't exactly have an option?

Is that the kind of rep you want your team to foster...particularly when they've historically had trouble attracting/ retaining talent?

Yeah, so basically optics. I'm just curious when the second round and undrafted players started to wield so much power, to the extent of telling teams not to draft them. I would figure it's all about securing that first deal no matter how low. To be clear, I like seeing second rounders and undrafted players get paid. It's just an interesting dynamic. It's not a steep investment so front offices are probably salivating at the thought of getting a bargain during the second deal.

[ArthurVandelay]

Someone correct me if I’m wrong…

If a team gives the 4 year contract to a second round pick, and the 4th year is picked up, doesn’t that make the player an unrestricted free agent?

If they don’t pick up the 4th year or it is just a 3 year deal, aren’t they then a restricted free agent?

Yes, but if teams end up doing renegotiate and extend which seems to be the trend, then having that RFA status doesn't matter too much.

Someone like Herbert Jones did extremely well. He had his third year option declined at 1.8m and made 12m instead this year on his new extension.

Nembhard will likely do this as well and he is on a 4 year deal so wouldn't be an RFA next off season.

OKC just did same thing with Joe

[Fairview4Life]

What prevents teams from offering the bare minimum 4-year deal? Is it purely an optics thing? Because you have their rights, can't you technically hold them hostage? I know that's not the best way to start a working relationship and possibly penny pinching, but the player doesn't exactly have an option?

Is that the kind of rep you want your team to foster...particularly when they've historically had trouble attracting/ retaining talent?

Yeah, so basically optics. I'm just curious when the second round and undrafted players started to wield so much power, to the extent of telling teams not to draft them. I would figure it's all about securing that first deal no matter how low. To be clear, I like seeing second rounders and undrafted players get paid. It's just an interesting dynamic. It's not a steep investment so front offices are probably salivating at the thought of getting a bargain during the second deal.

The power is they could actually go play in other leagues for decent money. Hell, Danny Ferry did that when he refused to play for the Clippers.

[Thaddy]

Read on Twitter

[Mark_83]

A long scouting reel of Mogbo playing. You can see his strengths and weaknesses in full.

Watch on YouTube

;t=569s

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

not sure how to interpret the contract but seems weird

[Duffman100]

A long scouting reel of Mogbo playing. You can see his strengths and weaknesses in full.

Watch on YouTube

;t=569s

We now have quite a few guys (Shead, Mogbo, Ochai) that if they learn how to shoot they'll be special.

Feels like we're always sayng that.

[Mark_83]

A long scouting reel of Mogbo playing. You can see his strengths and weaknesses in full.

Watch on YouTube

;t=569s

We now have quite a few guys (Shead, Mogbo, Ochai) that if they learn how to shoot they'll be special.

Feels like we're always sayng that.

Hey, it worked with Norm haha. Man, his shot was awful in college. Now he's shooting 39% from three for his career.

[Badonkadonk]

not sure how to interpret the contract but seems weird

Nah, Raps kicked in some money above the minimum and looks like they got two important things in return: team option in year 3, and RFA instead of UFA after 3 years rather than going 4.

Basically they paid for more control and flexibility.

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[Duffman100]

not sure how to interpret the contract but seems weird

Nah, Raps kicked in some money above the minimum and looks like they got two important things in return: team option in year 3, and RFA instead of UFA after 3 years rather than going 4.

Basically they paid for more control and flexibility.

Read on Twitter

Makes sense.

If they're duds, you can jettison them at year 3.
If they're amazing, they're RFAs and we can retain.

Best of both worlds.