DDR S&T - Bulls/Kings/Spurs

[Bentley1225]

I’ll offer this idea for:
-Bulls to get draft collateral for DDR to use or off-set draft picks they might need to use to dump LaVine
-Kings get a secondary wing scorer while keeping outside shooting assets
-Spurs get a veteran 4 while cleaning up PG log jam

To Chicago (S&T DeRozan)
-DeVonte Graham (1 year, $12.6 million)
-2026 2nd round pick via San Antonio
-2027 2nd round pick via Sacramento
-2028 2nd round pick via San Antonio

To Sacramento (Trade Barnes, 2nd)
-Demar DeRozan (3 years, $60 million, 3rd year T.O.)

To San Antonio (Trade Graham, 2 2nds)
-Harrison Barnes (2 years, $37 million)

Why?
Bulls pickup draft collateral for DeRozan/taking Graham expiring deal as Bulls get something for DDR

Kings get a veteran wing scorer to support Fox/Sabonis/Murray while they keep Monk/Huerter to maximize outside shooting

Spurs add Barnes as a veteran 4 to split time with Sochan as they clear up PG log jam.

[Godaddycurse]

San Antonio cut out the kings

[TimDunkin]

The Spurs can waive Graham if they don’t want him around without giving up draft assets and sign DeMar outright if they’d like him around. Seems like the Kings need this deal structure more but that’s not reflected here.

In all honesty, if the Spurs wanted to get more minutes at the 4, then I imagine they would’ve waived Graham and made a strong push for Kyle Anderson.

[ChettheJet]

I don't think any far future seconds are really going to swing a Lavine trade.

It does seem like SAS while they could use Barnes wouldn't do just as well releasing Graham, as they now have Paul, Jones and Castle

at best Graham is the fourth CHI guard and they don't need a guy looking for his next contact trying to pad his stats

Of course the Bulls could use Barnes more than Graham and those picks so the Kings could deal direct

so it comes down to if the Bulls are going to be included, make it worth their while

[Bentley1225]

San Antonio cut out the kings

Why do the Spurs want DeRozan back given they have Johnson?

[Bentley1225]

I don't think any far future seconds are really going to swing a Lavine trade.

It does seem like SAS while they could use Barnes wouldn't do just as well releasing Graham, as they now have Paul, Jones and Castle

at best Graham is the fourth CHI guard and they don't need a guy looking for his next contact trying to pad his stats

Of course the Bulls could use Barnes more than Graham and those picks so the Kings could deal direct

so it comes down to if the Bulls are going to be included, make it worth their while

The point is if the Bulls get back 2nds for DeRozan, they’d be more inclined to deal a 1st with LaVine if they are really motivated to get rid of him (I still think Pistons would do it)

The assumption is the Bulls will re-sign Williams rather than take Barnes but alternatively the Bulls could take back Barnes instead. I would think Williams would be worth around what Obi Toppin signed for (4 years, $60 million) and that might entice Bulls to keep William who is arguably still a developing asset, rather than keep Barnes.

[Chinook]

San Antonio cut out the kings

Why do the Spurs want DeRozan back given all wings they have?

DeRozan's a power-forward as much as Barnes is. I do think the Spurs would be cool with Barnes, and while they can waive Graham, I imagine they'd be happier including him and his partial guarantee in the deal rather than eating it.

I wouldn't mind DeMar that much in a vacuum, but you can't run a team with so many non-shooters. Barnes is a better fit for the team, and while DeRozan is a better player and seems to be a good mentor wherever he goes, Paul being signed reduces the need for a play-maker in the starting lineup, and I don't think DMDR is looking to come off the bench even if it's probably his future within a year or so.

[Bentley1225]

The Spurs can waive Graham if they don’t want him around without giving up draft assets and sign DeMar outright if they’d like him around. Seems like the Kings need this deal structure more but that’s not reflected here.

In all honesty, if the Spurs wanted to get more minutes at the 4, then I imagine they would’ve waived Graham and made a strong push for Kyle Anderson.

I think the Spurs have a greater need for Barnes than they do DeRozan.

[Mavrelous]

Spurs rosters lacks shooting, I can see them waiving Graham and eating Huerter into cap space, maybe even giving 2nd, Kings send Jalen McDaniels (separately into TPE), with 2 2nds.

[Chinook]

Spurs rosters lacks shooting, I can see them waiving Graham and eating Huerter into cap space, maybe even giving 2nd, Kings send Jalen McDaniels (separately into TPE), with 2 2nds.

They don't have the roster availability for a two guard, so no to Huerter.

[Mavrelous]

Spurs rosters lacks shooting, I can see them waiving Graham and eating Huerter into cap space, maybe even giving 2nd, Kings send Jalen McDaniels (separately into TPE), with 2 2nds.

They don't have the roster availability for a two guard, so no to Huerter.

Send out one, they aren't good, Spurs have no designated shooter on the entire roster.

[Chinook]

Spurs rosters lacks shooting, I can see them waiving Graham and eating Huerter into cap space, maybe even giving 2nd, Kings send Jalen McDaniels (separately into TPE), with 2 2nds.

They don't have the roster availability for a two guard, so no to Huerter.

Send out one, they aren't good, Spurs have no designated shooter on the entire roster.

Yeah, no. They aren't sending out one Paul, Jones, Castle or Vassell for Huerter. They don't need a designated shooter at SG. They need one at PF.

[Mavrelous]

They don't have the roster availability for a two guard, so no to Huerter.

Send out one, they aren't good, Spurs have no designated shooter on the entire roster.

Yeah, no. They aren't sending out one Paul, Jones, Castle or Vassell for Huerter. They don't need a designated shooter at SG. They need one at PF.

I didn't say that, that's just a straw man...
Paul and Jones are PGs and Castle is a rookie, the guys I'm talking about are Wesley and Branham...

[Chinook]

Send out one, they aren't good, Spurs have no designated shooter on the entire roster.

Yeah, no. They aren't sending out one Paul, Jones, Castle or Vassell for Huerter. They don't need a designated shooter at SG. They need one at PF.

I didn't say that, that's just a straw man...
Paul and Jones are PGs and Castle is a rookie, the guys I'm talking about are Wesley and Branham...

What I'm saying is they aren't taking on a big deal to replace Branham and Wesley. They don't have room for it. That's not a strawman.

[Mavrelous]

Yeah, no. They aren't sending out one Paul, Jones, Castle or Vassell for Huerter. They don't need a designated shooter at SG. They need one at PF.

I didn't say that, that's just a straw man...
Paul and Jones are PGs and Castle is a rookie, the guys I'm talking about are Wesley and Branham...

What I'm saying is they aren't taking on a big deal to replace Branham and Wesley. They don't have room for it. That's not a strawman.

That's not what you said and what you said was indeed a srawman.

[Chinook]

I didn't say that, that's just a straw man...
Paul and Jones are PGs and Castle is a rookie, the guys I'm talking about are Wesley and Branham...

What I'm saying is they aren't taking on a big deal to replace Branham and Wesley. They don't have room for it. That's not a strawman.

That's not what you said and what you said was indeed a srawman.

You saying strawman over and over doesn't make it true. Huerter isn't free and he wouldn't play because the Spurs don't have room for a SG in their rotation. You flippantly said, "get rid of one, they suck". Then when I pointed out who is in the rotation in front of him, you back into "Well get rid of Branham and Wesley". Those guys aren't in the rotation either. So why would the Spurs pay $16 Million for a guy not in the rotation? Instead of just admitting you hadn't thought of it at all and were too quick to assume he made sense, you are talking about strawmen.

Your argument was represented accurately and was just wrong. He doesn't make sense for the Spurs, which is why he wasn't in the OP trade. Barnes does make sense, which is why he was in the trade. It's pretty straight-forward.

[Mavrelous]

What I'm saying is they aren't taking on a big deal to replace Branham and Wesley. They don't have room for it. That's not a strawman.

That's not what you said and what you said was indeed a srawman.

You saying strawman over and over doesn't make it true. Huerter isn't free and he wouldn't play because the Spurs don't have room for a SG in their rotation. You flippantly said, "get rid of one, they suck". Then when I pointed out who is in the rotation in front of him, you back into "Well get rid of Branham and Wesley". Those guys aren't in the rotation either. So why would the Spurs pay $16 Million for a guy not in the rotation? Instead of just admitting you hadn't thought of it at all and were too quick to assume he made sense, you are talking about strawmen.

Your argument was represented accurately and was just wrong. He doesn't make sense for the Spurs, which is why he wasn't in the OP trade. Barnes does make sense, which is why he was in the trade. It's pretty straight-forward.

I proposed Huerter because he fills a need, no player in the NBA is free, you OTOH dismissed the idea because you have too many SGs, a bad argument, then claimed I sugfested trading PGs and building pieces, a strawman.
Feel free to continue your disindengous argumentation with someone else, I prefer fruitful discussions.

[Chinook]

That's not what you said and what you said was indeed a srawman.

You saying strawman over and over doesn't make it true. Huerter isn't free and he wouldn't play because the Spurs don't have room for a SG in their rotation. You flippantly said, "get rid of one, they suck". Then when I pointed out who is in the rotation in front of him, you back into "Well get rid of Branham and Wesley". Those guys aren't in the rotation either. So why would the Spurs pay $16 Million for a guy not in the rotation? Instead of just admitting you hadn't thought of it at all and were too quick to assume he made sense, you are talking about strawmen.

Your argument was represented accurately and was just wrong. He doesn't make sense for the Spurs, which is why he wasn't in the OP trade. Barnes does make sense, which is why he was in the trade. It's pretty straight-forward.

I proposed Huerter because he fills a need, no player in the NBA is free, you OTOH dismissed the idea because you have too many SGs, a bad argument, then claimed I sugfested trading PGs and building pieces, a strawman.
Feel free to continue your disindengous argumentation with someone else, I prefer fruitful discussions.

You proposing something that doesn't work isn't fruitful. It's disruptive. Just to put this into perspective: This was a thread talking about the Spurs acquiring Barnes, and the Kings DeRozan. The discussion was firmly about which forward made sense and whether the Spurs should cut the Kings out. You came in and proposed trading for a guard who no one was talking about. Then when I mention the Spurs don't have room for him, you grind things to halt to talk about how the Spurs' SG rotation sucks.

That's already not a fruitful turn. But then after seeing that there are in fact four guards who would get playing time over Huerter and thus there isn't room for him, you decide to pull the conversation even further from the Spurs acquiring a starting forward by talking about third-string guards. Then when this is pointed out instead of just being like, "Yeah, I guess that doesn't make sense to worry about deep-bench guards in a thread about rotational forwards", you go on a whole thing about strawmanning. None of that has been fruitful.

Like imagine if I slipped into an Ingram-to-SAC thread and starting talking about how Zach Collins is better than whoever is the Kings' third-string center and then started talking about how other people weren't having fruitful conversations. It wouldn't make sense to even bring it up.

[basketballwacko2]

The Spurs can waive Graham if they don’t want him around without giving up draft assets and sign DeMar outright if they’d like him around. Seems like the Kings need this deal structure more but that’s not reflected here.

In all honesty, if the Spurs wanted to get more minutes at the 4, then I imagine they would’ve waived Graham and made a strong push for Kyle Anderson.

Looks like he's guaranteed $2.85 million so they could free some space just by cutting him.

[Bentley1225]

I was close. Instead of Graham and 3 2nds, they got Duarte and 2 2nds.