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Re: Trades and Transactions thread cont - post Mikal trade 

Post#1381 » by KnixinSix » Thu Jul 4, 2024 3:52 pm

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Are there BYC restrictions on a Precious sign and trade - ie we can only take back 50% of his salary because of him getting a certain raise?

So for example - he gets $15mm so we can take back $7.5mm. Which leaves us with $3.2mm net of Bridges to take back a player or closer to 5.4mm by throwing in a min piece?

That should be enough room for Nick Richard’s.


The Precious situation could be the lynchpin of the entire situation. He can be resigned to the EXACT amount necessary to make the trade work the most ideally under the CBA for all parties in the trade.


So, we only have to find a team crazy enough to pay 15M on an undersized center that can not shoot. And this team needs to be ok to be hard-capped at the first apron to accept a sign and trade by us for some second rounds...


More nuanced than that. It could also be for salary matching purposes to satisfy the more restrictive rules of the CBA . Or structured to not trigger Apron penalties.
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Re: Trades and Transactions thread cont - post Mikal trade 

Post#1382 » by knicks1999 » Thu Jul 4, 2024 3:54 pm

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knicks1999 wrote:I would take a 29 year old Randle over a 34 year old Paul George….especially when you factor in George’s injury issues and his contract


bUt GeOrGe iS bEtTeR tHaN BrUnSoN

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Re: Trades and Transactions thread cont - post Mikal trade 

Post#1383 » by Guano » Thu Jul 4, 2024 3:59 pm

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We're not getting him, but he's not just a shooter and realistically if we did have him we'd probably be the outright favorites. He shooting 49% from the field and 40% from three in his two seasons with the Jazz, acting like that wouldn't be an upgrade is crazy :lol:

hes a great shooter for sure, but randle's gravity is a big reason why our team has been successful. lauri doesnt have this type of impact imo
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this right here is what tatum and the celtics did in the finals to dissect the mavs defense. it's winning basketball plays. lauri isnt doing this
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Teams send less help in the playoffs and matchups can impact a lot of what teams do. Against a team like the Bucks we're not going to be giving the ball to Randle a lot in the post, one on one vs Giannis in a series where he's trying to beat him like that would stall our offense out. So then he becomes more of a driver and spacer, and if he's not shooting a high percentage on threes the defense sags off.

What works in the regular season may not work in the playoffs and my biggest issue with Randle is we haven't seen success in the playoffs, he needs to show me he can do it, his regular season doesn't matter to me anymore he has to prove it in the playoffs. Some guys games do not transfer to the playoffs, we've seen it with Embiid, sometimes with PG13, a lot of times with Harden. The Celtics offense works cause everyone can shoot threes, Randle so far is shooting 28% from three in the playoffs. If you plugged him into their offense the ball moves less and the defense sags more, it's what happened with Smart. If we had Lauri our offense would look like theirs where no one player needs to create a lot and there's terror as the ball swings around to find the one of the 4 guys shooting 40% from three and all of them can drive on the catch


We're not getting Lauri, if he ends up with the Spurs they are going to make the playoffs and have one of the most devastating front courts we've seen in decades.


2nd year wemby is going to be can't miss tv
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Re: Trades and Transactions thread cont - post Mikal trade 

Post#1384 » by Guano » Thu Jul 4, 2024 4:02 pm

the amount of horrible or unrealistic players that have been mentioned since iHart no showed us reminds me of the college days sitting around with the boys weighing our options - just as pathetic.
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Post#1385 » by knicks9784 » Thu Jul 4, 2024 4:03 pm

Guano wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:hes a great shooter for sure, but randle's gravity is a big reason why our team has been successful. lauri doesnt have this type of impact imo
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this right here is what tatum and the celtics did in the finals to dissect the mavs defense. it's winning basketball plays. lauri isnt doing this
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Teams send less help in the playoffs and matchups can impact a lot of what teams do. Against a team like the Bucks we're not going to be giving the ball to Randle a lot in the post, one on one vs Giannis in a series where he's trying to beat him like that would stall our offense out. So then he becomes more of a driver and spacer, and if he's not shooting a high percentage on threes the defense sags off.

What works in the regular season may not work in the playoffs and my biggest issue with Randle is we haven't seen success in the playoffs, he needs to show me he can do it, his regular season doesn't matter to me anymore he has to prove it in the playoffs. Some guys games do not transfer to the playoffs, we've seen it with Embiid, sometimes with PG13, a lot of times with Harden. The Celtics offense works cause everyone can shoot threes, Randle so far is shooting 28% from three in the playoffs. If you plugged him into their offense the ball moves less and the defense sags more, it's what happened with Smart. If we had Lauri our offense would look like theirs where no one player needs to create a lot and there's terror as the ball swings around to find the one of the 4 guys shooting 40% from three and all of them can drive on the catch


We're not getting Lauri, if he ends up with the Spurs they are going to make the playoffs and have one of the most devastating front courts we've seen in decades.


2nd year wemby is going to be can't miss tv


lmao ppl really think this guy is good? must be a generational thing, i can't imagine anyone over 30 who looks at wemby and thinks "my god there's the next all time great"

such a strange phenomenon, purely an nba drive marketing product. fascinating to watch this play out
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Re: Trades and Transactions thread cont - post Mikal trade 

Post#1386 » by GONYK » Thu Jul 4, 2024 4:11 pm

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Post#1387 » by GONYK » Thu Jul 4, 2024 4:12 pm

Now that we got that business sorted, time to get Richards
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Post#1388 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Thu Jul 4, 2024 4:14 pm

knicks9784 wrote:
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Teams send less help in the playoffs and matchups can impact a lot of what teams do. Against a team like the Bucks we're not going to be giving the ball to Randle a lot in the post, one on one vs Giannis in a series where he's trying to beat him like that would stall our offense out. So then he becomes more of a driver and spacer, and if he's not shooting a high percentage on threes the defense sags off.

What works in the regular season may not work in the playoffs and my biggest issue with Randle is we haven't seen success in the playoffs, he needs to show me he can do it, his regular season doesn't matter to me anymore he has to prove it in the playoffs. Some guys games do not transfer to the playoffs, we've seen it with Embiid, sometimes with PG13, a lot of times with Harden. The Celtics offense works cause everyone can shoot threes, Randle so far is shooting 28% from three in the playoffs. If you plugged him into their offense the ball moves less and the defense sags more, it's what happened with Smart. If we had Lauri our offense would look like theirs where no one player needs to create a lot and there's terror as the ball swings around to find the one of the 4 guys shooting 40% from three and all of them can drive on the catch


We're not getting Lauri, if he ends up with the Spurs they are going to make the playoffs and have one of the most devastating front courts we've seen in decades.


2nd year wemby is going to be can't miss tv


lmao ppl really think this guy is good? must be a generational thing, i can't imagine anyone over 30 who looks at wemby and thinks "my god there's the next all time great"

such a strange phenomenon, purely an nba drive marketing product. fascinating to watch this play out




Yes, everyone thinks he's good, yesterday in an exhibition against Turkey they made 1 single basket the 20 minutes he was playing. You should go tell them he's not that good.
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Post#1390 » by Jalen Bluntson » Thu Jul 4, 2024 4:18 pm

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What does this do to our cap/apron issues?
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Post#1391 » by R-DAWG » Thu Jul 4, 2024 4:19 pm

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Forgot Shake was still on the team. knicks now hard caped at 2nd apron.

I have the Knicks at 19.27mm below the 2nd apron with 12 roster slots

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I would consider signing precious to a trade exception contract after using the taxpayer MLE - which is believe is 5.4mm.

Give Precious a 1+1 for 13.5 guaranteed in year 1 and 14.5mm non guaranteed in year 2 to create trade flexibility. The contact could only take back 6.75mm in a trade this year but the full 14.5 next year.
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Post#1392 » by DaGawd » Thu Jul 4, 2024 4:19 pm

knicks9784 wrote:
Guano wrote:
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Teams send less help in the playoffs and matchups can impact a lot of what teams do. Against a team like the Bucks we're not going to be giving the ball to Randle a lot in the post, one on one vs Giannis in a series where he's trying to beat him like that would stall our offense out. So then he becomes more of a driver and spacer, and if he's not shooting a high percentage on threes the defense sags off.

What works in the regular season may not work in the playoffs and my biggest issue with Randle is we haven't seen success in the playoffs, he needs to show me he can do it, his regular season doesn't matter to me anymore he has to prove it in the playoffs. Some guys games do not transfer to the playoffs, we've seen it with Embiid, sometimes with PG13, a lot of times with Harden. The Celtics offense works cause everyone can shoot threes, Randle so far is shooting 28% from three in the playoffs. If you plugged him into their offense the ball moves less and the defense sags more, it's what happened with Smart. If we had Lauri our offense would look like theirs where no one player needs to create a lot and there's terror as the ball swings around to find the one of the 4 guys shooting 40% from three and all of them can drive on the catch


We're not getting Lauri, if he ends up with the Spurs they are going to make the playoffs and have one of the most devastating front courts we've seen in decades.


2nd year wemby is going to be can't miss tv


lmao ppl really think this guy is good? must be a generational thing, i can't imagine anyone over 30 who looks at wemby and thinks "my god there's the next all time great"

such a strange phenomenon, purely an nba drive marketing product. fascinating to watch this play out

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Post#1393 » by Fury » Thu Jul 4, 2024 4:21 pm

Deuce is going nowhere
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Post#1394 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Jul 4, 2024 4:23 pm

R-DAWG wrote:
GONYK wrote:
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Forgot Shake was still on the team. knicks now hard caped at 2nd apron.

I have the Knicks at 19.27mm below the 2nd apron with 12 roster slots

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2 2nd rd picks.

I would consider signing precious to a trade exception contract after using the taxpayer MLE - which is believe is 5.4mm.

Give Precious a 1+1 for 13.5 guaranteed in year 1 and 14.5mm non guaranteed in year 2 to create trade flexibility. The contact could only take back 6.75mm in a trade this year but the full 14.5 next year.


Katz states they are under first apron.

I always mix up the first and second apron.

1st apron is the one they hit first, right?

2nd apron is the one a team really doesn't want to be at, right?

Are you sure they are hard capped?

Anyway, it'll all be sorted soon.

Also, we'd have to assume there is another move, either a trade for a backup C (which seems hard to do) or re-signing Precious, which seems likely
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Post#1395 » by GONYK » Thu Jul 4, 2024 4:23 pm

R-DAWG wrote:
GONYK wrote:
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Forgot Shake was still on the team. knicks now hard caped at 2nd apron.

I have the Knicks at 19.27mm below the 2nd apron with 12 roster slots

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2 2nd rd picks.

I would consider signing precious to a trade exception contract after using the taxpayer MLE - which is believe is 5.4mm.

Give Precious a 1+1 for 13.5 guaranteed in year 1 and 14.5mm non guaranteed in year 2 to create trade flexibility. The contact could only take back 6.75mm in a trade this year but the full 14.5 next year.
The Knicks did this trade to stay under the first apron.

They are nowhere near being hardcapped at the second apron.
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Post#1396 » by R-DAWG » Thu Jul 4, 2024 4:23 pm

Fury wrote:Deuce is going nowhere


At least he’s not being used to complete the Mikal trade.

Who knows what roster adjustments will be needed during the season and he is one of the few tradable assets we have
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Post#1397 » by FrozenEnvelope » Thu Jul 4, 2024 4:24 pm

This will allow us to bring back Precious and sign another player with $19M, right?
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Post#1398 » by DaGawd » Thu Jul 4, 2024 4:24 pm

time to go deebo kessler from utah
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Post#1399 » by R-DAWG » Thu Jul 4, 2024 4:24 pm

GONYK wrote:
R-DAWG wrote:
GONYK wrote:
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Forgot Shake was still on the team. knicks now hard caped at 2nd apron.

I have the Knicks at 19.27mm below the 2nd apron with 12 roster slots

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2 2nd rd picks.

I would consider signing precious to a trade exception contract after using the taxpayer MLE - which is believe is 5.4mm.

Give Precious a 1+1 for 13.5 guaranteed in year 1 and 14.5mm non guaranteed in year 2 to create trade flexibility. The contact could only take back 6.75mm in a trade this year but the full 14.5 next year.
The Knicks did this trade to stay under the first apron.

They are nowhere near being hardcapped at the second apron.


By aggregating salaries they are hard capped at the second apron.

They are currently 19.27mm below said apron with 12 of 14 roster spots filled.
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Post#1400 » by R-DAWG » Thu Jul 4, 2024 4:25 pm

FrozenEnvelope wrote:This will allow us to bring back Precious and sign another player with $19M, right?


Can spend up to 19.27mm but need to fill two roster spots

Precious + tax MLE seems to be the way to round out the roster

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